• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Right now, the PS5 Pro is the best selling console on Amazon

clarky

Gold Member
There was months or even years of "who is this even for" and "ps5 isn't even fully utilized".
Let's not pretend like we were anywhere near consensus about how this was going to do, if it even released.
We don't know how its doing and wont until we get numbers for the Q. So whats your point?
 
There was months or even years of "who is this even for" and "ps5 isn't even fully utilized".
Let's not pretend like we were anywhere near consensus about how this was going to do, if it even released.

"who is this even for" and "ps5 isn't even fully utilized" != DOA by a mile though. Sony, Nintendo or even Xbox are going to get some traction with any hardware they put out, these simply wouldn't be products that get completely ignored.

We don't even know what expectations Sony has for it, the PS4 Pro didn't exactly light the world on fire but obviously it was considered enough of a success to warrant a successor.
 

Bernoulli

M2 slut
Its not the "it" item outside of nerd circles like ours, and even then i wouldn't consider it as such myself. It would have sold out if so.

I'll ask again seen as you ignored my post. Why do you think it will outsell the 4 Pro?

Also is this the controller you are referring to when "selling like hot cakes"? It had a good year last year but doesnt seem to be doing too hot right now if so.

FW33Umz.png

r1PvKtX.png
Why are you using the ranks in PC & video games? If you use accessories it's the best selling
 

Elog

Member
I do not understand why people thought this would not sell quite good. It is - by far - the cheapest option into proper current gen higher-end GPU gaming. And proper current gen higher-end GPU PC gaming is becoming even more out of touch with people's wallets over time (as of now).
 
Last edited:
Yeah it's a hot new playstation console, the die hards will jump on day 1. I would be getting one day 1 if I could have got the 30th anniversary console, but I'm going to wait till Jan/Feb to see what it does for games before i jump in, just bought a new Gpu. I would expect a series X pro would also do big numbers at first but then settle down.
I think the PS4 pro did about 10% of total PS4 sales so expect this to be similar. I guess it's a pure profit machine for Sony with the cost, and digital so every game is pure Sony profit too.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
Yeah it's a hot new playstation console, the die hards will jump on day 1. I would be getting one day 1 if I could have got the 30th anniversary console, but I'm going to wait till Jan/Feb to see what it does for games before i jump in, just bought a new Gpu. I would expect a series X pro would also do big numbers at first but then settle down.
I think the PS4 pro did about 10% of total PS4 sales so expect this to be similar. I guess it's a pure profit machine for Sony with the cost, and digital so every game is pure Sony profit too.
A Series X Pro likely wouldn’t do big numbers at all. It would have to be a new gen entirely to gain any real attention and even then there’s no guarantee.

Xbox simply isn’t PlayStation or Nintendo.
 
Last edited:

Kokoloko85

Member
Only thing that matters is its outselling its competitor Xbox.
I doubt it will reach PS4 Pro numbers, and it shouldnt be expected as a more expensive optional choice
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
it's the new unreleased thing...

what did you expect?
Um, if you listen to many online, for it to be DOA.

You won’t find a single article/thread claiming this would be the #1 device at several retailers, so this would be a narrative shift to save face if that becomes a claim.
 
Last edited:

StueyDuck

Member
Um, if you listen to many online, for it to be DOA.

You won’t find a single article/thread claiming this would be the #1 device at several retailers, so this would be a narrative shift to save face if that becomes a claim.
It can both not meet expectations in sales and still be the number 1 selling console at a retailer.

it's all relative.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
It can both not meet expectations in sales and still be the number 1 selling console at a retailer.

it's all relative.
When one knows those expectations, I’ll be here to learn them.

Verbatim, the Pro is the #1 device despite its price and calls of DOA. What it does later is the only thing up for debate.
 
Last edited:

StueyDuck

Member
When one knows those expectations, I’ll be here to learn them.

Verbatim, the Pro is the #1 device despite its price and calls of DOA. What it does later is the only thing up for debate.
I don't think the Console (only new item with basically no competition) being number #1 in an online retailer, close to its release has any correlation to anything tangible.

people are reading too deeply into this, it was going to be #1 on amazon at some point, but it also doesn't reflect anything real regarding concrete sales or profitability.

Personally, I wouldn't hang my hat on any side using this statistic if I was on either Team Fail or Team huge success. This is a nothing story and was going to happen, it's like being surprised the new iPhone has more orders than the old iPhone, 2 weeks before it releases.
 
Last edited:

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
I don't think the Console (only new item with basically no competition) being number #1 in an online retailer, close to its release has any correlation to anything tangible.

people are reading too deeply into this, it was going to be #1 on amazon at some point, but it also doesn't reflect anything real regarding concrete sales or profitability.

Personally, I wouldn't hang my hat on any side using this statistic if I was on either Team Fail or Team huge success. This is a nothing story and was going to happen, it's like being surprised the new iPhone has more orders than the old iPhone 2 weeks before it releases.
I’m not reading into anything other than what I can prove.

It’s a best seller on multiple retailers. Fact.

Folks said it would fail (out of the gate). Fact.

Suddenly “what did you expect” is the tagline, while the above scenarios contradict each other. Either it was going to initially fail or it was going to be sought after, but both cannot be true.

So, again, what it does from here is up for debate and only that. It can still fail, sure, but as of now, that’s not the case.
 
Last edited:

Kikorin

Member
Not beeing #1 for a new hardware from Sony, MS or Nintendo at launch would be disastrous. Even Wii U put the chart on fire at launch, because enthusiast will always be there. The real test will be the months/years to come, and I really doubt PS5 Pro will even make the same sales of PS4 Pro at the end, but will see.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Nobody said it was DOA. Stop making shit up

Sorry my man, but there were a few folks calling this thing DOA in the price reveal thread. This ain't all of them either....

£700? This thing is DOA
What was that thing someone said? 14% of PS4 sales were the Pro?

This won't get anywhere close to that. DOA.
HAHA, no way in hell i gonna pay so much. At that price, they didn't even need to announce the thing. What is even the point of it? It is doa.

Kevin Hart No GIF by Kevin Hart's Laugh Out Loud's Laugh Out Loud
And they didn't show 1 new game to take advantage of the new hardware—all old games/cross-gen games. DOA.
PS5 Pro is DOA with that price and those specs
It has the specs of a economic cost effective conservatively specced console at the price of a premium console with beefy specs
 
Last edited:

Klayzer

Member
I’m not reading into anything other than what I can prove.

It’s a best seller on multiple retailers. Fact.

Folks said it would fail (out of the gate). Fact.

Suddenly “what did you expect” is the tagline, while the above scenarios contradict each other. Either it was going to initially fail or it was going to be sought after, but both cannot be true.

So, again, what it does from here is up for debate and only that. It can still fail, sure, but as of now, that’s not the case.
Yeah. The narrative has changed. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
 

clarky

Gold Member
Sorry my man, but there were a few folks calling this thing DOA in the price reveal thread. This ain't all of them either....
Yeah we went over it. There was a whole discussion about what was meant by DOA. But regardless I was corrected and already have gladly received those receipts.
 

saintjules

Gold Member
Nobody said it was DOA. Stop making shit up

:messenger_tongue:





If the PS5 pro is more than $650 it's DOA.

What was that thing someone said? 14% of PS4 sales were the Pro?

This won't get anywhere close to that. DOA.

PS5 Pro is DOA with that price and those specs
It has the specs of a economic cost effective conservatively specced console at the price of a premium console with beefy specs

PS5 is barely selling in Japan. Pro is DOA there
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Yeah we went over it. There was a whole discussion about what was meant by DOA. But regardless I was corrected and already have gladly received those receipts.

My bad. I thought this was brought up again. Didn't realize you were being quoted from our previous discussion. All good.....dead horse at this point.
 

clarky

Gold Member
My bad. I thought this was brought up again. Didn't realize you were being quoted from our previous discussion. All good.....dead horse at this point.
Just the one comment which i was quickly provided receipts for. I didn't think anyone would actually silly enough to proclaim it was DOA. I was wrong.

All good.
 
Last edited:

Preseznik

Member
"who is this even for" and "ps5 isn't even fully utilized" != DOA by a mile though. Sony, Nintendo or even Xbox are going to get some traction with any hardware they put out, these simply wouldn't be products that get completely ignored.

We don't even know what expectations Sony has for it, the PS4 Pro didn't exactly light the world on fire but obviously it was considered enough of a success to warrant a successor.
Semantics.
It's a huge waste of time trying to argue from this angle.

But hey, we're on an enthusiast gaming forum.

I've been hearing for years now that making a Pro would be a huge mistake, mostly from people unable to grasp that the market environment when a product is rumoured does not reflect the state of the industry at product release.

Pretending like "that's not literally DOA" is just hilarious to me.
 
I’m not reading into anything other than what I can prove.

It’s a best seller on multiple retailers. Fact.

Folks said it would fail (out of the gate). Fact.

Suddenly “what did you expect” is the tagline, while the above scenarios contradict each other. Either it was going to initially fail or it was going to be sought after, but both cannot be true.

So, again, what it does from here is up for debate and only that. It can still fail, sure, but as of now, that’s not the case.

Most just questioned the price and long-term viability of the console. Of course there are going to be buyers for it day one, just as there was PSVR 2. Will it be 10%, 20%, 50% of the units sold going forward, that's the interesting part. It could mirror the last gen, but games were well represented on the base unit last time around where the UE5 games don't look all that great on the base units this time. Maybe that changes things.

The sales trajectory doesn't matter much to Pro buyers anyway. Sony will mandate support for it for all future releases on PS5.
 
Semantics.
It's a huge waste of time trying to argue from this angle.

But hey, we're on an enthusiast gaming forum.

I've been hearing for years now that making a Pro would be a huge mistake, mostly from people unable to grasp that the market environment when a product is rumoured does not reflect the state of the industry at product release.

Pretending like "that's not literally DOA" is just hilarious to me.

It's just reality there buddy. Sony could literally put out a PS branded turd and probably sell a few million. That's brand loyalty for you.

We have to get past the early adopters in order to gauge the market reaction at large. Which you'd think on an enthusiast forum would be of greater interest than some kind of fanboy reaction.
 
Last edited:

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
Most just questioned the price and long-term viability of the console. Of course there are going to be buyers for it day one, just as there was PSVR 2. Will it be 10%, 20%, 50% of the units sold going forward, that's the interesting part. It could mirror the last gen, but games were well represented on the base unit last time around where the UE5 games don't look all that great on the base units this time. Maybe that changes things.

The sales trajectory doesn't matter much to Pro buyers anyway. Sony will mandate support for it for all future releases on PS5.
Seems that you missed that I agree with the “of course” part. I’m calling out the sudden mention of it.

Yes, of course there were going to be buyers. That was the whole point!
 
Seems that you missed that I agree with the “of course” part. I’m calling out the sudden mention of it.

Yes, of course there were going to be buyers. That was the whole point!

Right, everyone that was critical of the price fully understood that buyers would exist from the beginning. The question is whether or not there are mass market buyers for it. Does it keep selling or sink like a stone once the early adopters buy in (like PSVR 2)?
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
Right, everyone that was critical of the price fully understood that buyers would exist from the beginning. The question is whether or not there are mass market buyers for it. Does it keep selling or sink like a stone once the early adopters buy in (like PSVR 2)?
It’s not a mass market item, so I expect its market behavior to be steady, but complementary.
 

Spyxos

Member
Sorry my man, but there were a few folks calling this thing DOA in the price reveal thread. This ain't all of them either....
It is maybe not doa, but is also not a very hot product. I got my trade in deal in gamestop. And the employees told me that all the stores have still inventory and its about 20-30% of ps4 pro in pre orders.
 
It’s not a mass market item, so I expect its market behavior to be steady, but complementary.

I was speaking relative to the PS4 Pro, does it sell under or over that with a $700 price tag. That is what people critical of the price are talking about. If it finishes with like 5% of total units or something like that, yeah, it flopped bad.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
It is maybe not doa, but is also not a very hot product. I got my trade in deal in gamestop. And the employees told me that all the stores have still inventory and its about 20-30% of ps4 pro in pre orders.
It doesn’t have to be. It’s an option.

SportsFan581 SportsFan581

Which is why I said that’s a question to revisit when it’s had time on the market. On top of that, you’d have to know Sony’s expectations. Calling it right now is a pointless shot in the dark.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom