asdasdasdbb
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That would be assuming that PS4 Pro sales were Sony's expectations for the PS5 Pro. Which I'm sure it wasn't.
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Right now, the PS5 Pro is the best selling console on Amazon
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That would be assuming that PS4 Pro sales were Sony's expectations for the PS5 Pro. Which I'm sure it wasn't.
Spyxos
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It was very difficult to get ps4 pro here. The demand for the 5 pro is quite low.It doesn’t have to be. It’s an option.
SportsFan581
Which is why I said that’s a question to revisit when it’s had time on the market.
SportsFan581
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You think they would have even bothered to build a device if they intended for it to sell less than the 4 Pro? That seems weird considering the 4 Pro didn't sell very well down the stretch.
HeWhoWalks
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Which doesn’t mean anything other than times are different.
Topher
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That's fine, but I don't recall anyone critical of the price saying it would be at the top of the Amazon best sellers list for days after release. But you are right that no one knows how Pro will do going forward with mass market customers. Analysts predict 10-15% of PS5 sales. So clearly Pro will not stay at the top of the best sellers list for very long. This is a product sold for product, not for market share, so expectations need to be recalibrated for that.
Eh.....I wouldn't put much faith in that considering Gamestop isn't nearly the goto shop for games now like it was in 2016. If I had to guess, Gamestop traffic is down even less than 20% from eight years ago when Pro launched.
HeWhoWalks
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Exactly.
All anecdotal, but the GameStop I preordered from isn’t even doing a midnight!
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asdasdasdbb
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It is possible that most of the orders are scalpers. Or people who think they can scalp it.
Spyxos
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And the price is more than twice as high. I was only able to get it because of the trade-in deal. Otherwise it wouldn't even be an option for me.
Spyxos
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That is also true.
HeisenbergFX4
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If people bought it to scalp it they should be canceling their orders right now with still being in stock everywhere
Topher
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Who is going to scalp a product that is readily available?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This one is my favorite.
Good ole, "It is CPU bound in 2024" lol. Whelp, that's some heavy 10% bump in almost double the framerate lifting.
Anyone who makes a game mostly CPU bound in 2024 with the wealth of GPGPU, tensor cores and shader CUs galore that can do a ton of heavy lifting, should be banned from making games full stop. This isn't 2004 anymore where GPUs stagnated compared to CPUs.
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Ev1L AuRoN
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No wonder, that is something that a lot of us really wanted for a while, I'd imagine that the PS5 Pro will sell every unit Sony produces for a while.
DeepEnigma
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The new narrative marching orders are querying people about "why don't they go PC." No irony Jez, DF, and Slampigbassadors all started saying the exact same thing at the exact same time. Discorded, even.
Synastry
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I been wondering if it'll be possible to go to my local gamestop on Nov 7 and buy one in store without a pre order?
Topher
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More than likely, but I preordered just in case.
Topher
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That line is going to ramp up all the way to the announcement of an Xbox branded PC.
dragonyeuw
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The demand for Xbox consoles is low now. They can barely move their current offerings being sold from $300-500, let alone a hypothetical pro variant priced at PS5 Pro level.
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XXL
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SportsFan581
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That's kind of the part that is so obvious it doesn't need to be said. I'm sure the Wii U did great on there as well. And...
I don't know how it will sell good or bad, I just find it funny when posters are trying to manufacturer something extraordinary out of the mundane. It's just like when people were saying the PSVR 2 wasn't over priced because it launched well, yeah, sure Jan.
DeepEnigma
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
You wait and see if some of that feedback Jez is getting isn't used in his push for that system.
In all fairness I have said this machine will be a PC with the console like experience, wait until we see him start screaming "ease of use" for this next system.
Topher
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So everyone knew this console was going to be at the top of the Amazon bestsellers list for several days after launch, but no one said as much because it was "so obvious"?
Sorry.....but that's also a "yeah, sure Jan".
asdasdasdbb
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I never said scalpers were smart. Amazon probally doesn't charge until it ships so they would have time to cancel.
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Topher
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Scalpers could have bought all the units they wanted directly from PlayStation. This has nothing to do with scalpers.
XXL
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I'm one the biggest VR users on this site.
Comparing the sales of a VR headset to a PlayStation console in any way....is straight up delusional.
It's not comparable at all.
asdasdasdbb
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So could have anyone who legitimately is buying the Pro.
I'm sure Sony has low expecations on sales. And as long as it meets those, they will be OK with it.
Topher
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Which is why scalpers are not bothering. Only PS5 Pros I see on ebay are the 30th anniversary edition.
Low in comparison to base PS5, yeah. A console sold for profit is going to have different expectations to one sold at a loss. This is more in the realm of Asus or Lenovo selling handhelds for a profit than the traditional console model.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Probably.
PS4 Pro and Xbox One X were not hard to find. These systems should not be hard to find. The fact that you couldn't buy a PS5 for over two years was just a monumental failure, it's not the norm and should not have been.
The system is due out in 3 weeks. I doubt we will get any more previews.
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Luipadre
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Im not expecting more previews, more like videos or info from devs on their Pro patch
clarky
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You'd also know i took the L then as well. lol
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asdasdasdbb
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The margins aren't going to be that great. If you had told me it was going to include a 2 TB drive instead of 1, I think I would have said it would be $649 instead of the $599 that people were expecting.
Steam Deck is a better comparison I think.
SportsFan581
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The context of the conversation on this board is very comparable, which was what I was talking about.
The conversation on this board about PSVR 2 basically went:
1). Sony announced the price and many said it wouldn't sell, it was too expensive. Others said it would sell better than the OG even at the high price.
2). It released and did launch stronger than the OG PSVR given there was a sitting base of players waiting to upgrade. Users in group two above patted themselves on the back for the huge success.
3). The unit went on to sell well below the pace of the OG, it was/is too freaking expensive.
SportsFan581
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Please, do point me to the long list of consoles from the big three that DIDN'T launch into the top of the store charts, sellout, etc. I don't think you'll need much paper. When something happens 100% of the time over a 20 or 30 year period you can generally consider that an expected result.
Topher
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Perhaps, the margins are enough for Sony to bother making the thing.
There has only been two other comparable launches to the PS5 Pro and that was the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X. Neither of those were sold at price point similar to PS5 Pro.
So why are we pretending we have all this plethora of comparable historical data when we simply don't?
SportsFan581
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I don't know where you are at, but some folks were paying $1k+ for the XSX and PS5 at launch, the price is largely irrelevant for the early adopters and always has been. Down the line, sure, the price could be an issue. That's the part that will be interesting to keep an eye on (specifically how well the console market at large accepts a $700 piece of hardware).
ZiggyPop1991
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Proving again. The internet is not a real place. People just want to be heard and was probably never going to get it or able to. SONY knew if people wanted it they would get hence the high price. Move on if it's not your cup of tea, lol.
Topher
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In the US and I watched as the entire gaming market was in chaos due to the pandemic. People were stuck at home and console demand shot up as a result. That was not a typical situation by any stretch of the imagination.
And no, the price hasn't always been irrelevant. Sony had to cut the price of the PS3 by the end of its first year because it simply cost too much and sales suffered. People were mocking Jack Tretton because he said there was no stock to be found in stores after launch and yet there was plenty.
The $700 price tag is certainly the interesting part, I agree. If we see a similar price cut early on for Pro then I think we will know at that point that Sony overshot.
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mckmas8808
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Why are you guys trying to change the narrative already?
SportsFan581
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Irrelevant to the early adopter rush, clearly I wasn't specific enough. PS3 launched at like 600k (might have even been higher than that, not exactly sure) for the fist week, which I believe was the best opener for PS hardware up to that point. Down the line the price matters, absolutely. That did effect the PS3 and the Xbox One in the first year. The first month (maybe the first couple) have always been rock solid so far, regardless of price.
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SportsFan581
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I'm unaware of this mysterious group I'm a part of. That's my view of console launches of Nintendo and Sony for the last 30 years, and for Xbox from 2001 until they started talking up first party ports to rival machines. It is what it is, reality is hard to shake. LOL
And, like I said above, even with all the self-nemetic decisions from Xbox lately, I still think they'd have a strong launch week or two.
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Topher
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I'm talking about PS3 being on shelves in January in the launch window after Christmas. I don't see that as "rock solid", but I think we just won't see eye to eye on this one.
Fortress of Regrets
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Sensational achievement for new hardware launching against old stuff. Truly remarkable.
You imagine an Xbox console priced at over $800 wouldn’t be hit with ‘DOA’ responses?
SportsFan581
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That's why I referenced Jan 25 above, that starts to get outside the opening holiday where a poor price will start to get exposed. Certainly the PS3 would have been at the top of the Amazon list for pre-orders and launch week (if they were selling consoles then, I don't remember), which is what we were talking about.
HeWhoWalks
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I know. It’s almost like people said it would flop at $700 from the start!
Shocking turn of events, to be sure!
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Topher
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A $800 Xbox console would be hit with the same exact response.
No, Amazon wasn't selling consoles and we didn't have any similar best seller lists widely available. Just regionals like NPD and financial disclosures. That's partially why I say we don't have any such historical data to compare to.