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[p_xavier]

I think people who think this is only about religion are also the same people who think the war in Ukraine was only about NATO expansion.

The material analysis is often lacking and instead we see very simple and reductive ideas like
"Muslims can't integrate" or "we are being replaced" tm stuff.

It's not about religion but cultures. WWII was also about the sense of cultural superiority, which can be shown through history with centuries of colonialism invading "barbaric" countries. Resentment still felt to this day in many.

Trauma is still much present in many generations after the act.

 

[AJUMP23]

One thing you see is that when you allow a large influx of a population into your country the ability to assimilate is limited. Take the integration of refugees from Somalia to the US in the 90s. They didn't spread them out all over the US, they placed them mostly in the same area, and instead of becoming more American, they maintained much of the culture in just a pocket of America. Some good, some bad, but not all great. Sweden and the European countries that took in the millions of Syrian refugees will have severe growing pains over the next decades due to the inability to spread out the people.

Also the Syrian refugee crisis was created by the CIA trying to enable regime change in Syria. Another US mistake in the world of global politics, where the US should have just stayed out of it. The Permanent US State, acting to remove a leader.

 

[NahaNago]

African-American culture, Native-American, Latino-American, Asian-American cultures shouldn't be compatible with white American cultures by that logic either... But it happens. The dominant population was making laws against each of these groups and it took people like Dr. King to get them struck down.

If understanding and absence of hate were practiced more, we likely wouldn't have all the problems we have in the world. Don't be a jerk and we can all get along ...not saying things like "your culture is inferior" ...

As I said, it was likely MORE than just the burning of a Quran that lead to those riots in Sweden. Just like it was more than JUST one single incident that lead to many of the riots we've had in this country... Though, there didn't seem to be any buildup for mass killings of indigenous and Asian and black folks, even in the 20th century.

I was mostly going by the culture you was raised in versus the color of your skin culture. If a Nigerian was raised as a typical swedish person and the only difference was the color of their skin I would expect that person to be able to be very compatible with swedes since he would be mostly likely be into the music, tv shows, religion, school life, and typical life of a typical swede. He would also most likely have the same values of a swede so burning a book wouldn't bother him but he wouldn't burn possible certain books if it would bother someone( I'm guessing on this one).

 

[OOGABOOGA]

My point is that most Muslims take their religion too seriously. Way too serious.

You are not even allowed to make a joke about it, your life might be in danger, let alone burn the Quran. For those who are born muslims it's the death penalty if they convert or become atheists. Its hell not a religion of peace.

Not sure what it is about other parts of the world, but most Muslim people in Canada are probably mostly in the Toronto metro area.

Not sure when the wave of Muslims came over (immigration), but maybe the 80s? When I was in the tail end of high school in the early 90s there were already a bunch of Muslim students.

Fast forward to 2022, and the entire Muslim community here seems pretty chill. Many mosques built over the past decade or two, lots of middle eastern restaurants. Doesn't seem to be any trouble here.

I'm going to assume all you Europeans getting influxes of Muslim people are getting a mish mash of good and volatile people. Whereas we get the good ones.

Christians are not allowed to build a church in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries btw. Imagine if western countries did the same thing and destroyed the mosques, all these Saudis will start raging and talk about how it's the religion of peace lol.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Yeah...no.

There are inferior ideas and outdated beliefs, but an entire culture cannot be labeled as "inferior". That is just nonsense. All cultures have strengths and weaknesses. Its pointless (and in most cases racist) to try to hold one above the others as if one culture is just free of its own prevalent issues and inherent problems.

I disagree. I define inferior as "dead-end", or "unlikely to progress". There are lots of reasons for this, maybe the most common being that cultures that are overly-reliant on slavery for economic output have a poison pill that will eventually explode (Sparta, Rome, Egypt, et. al) or cultures that were just waaaay out of norm of other contemporary cultures and therefore were destined to be crushed (Viking, Mongol).

 

[NahaNago]

One thing you see is that when you allow a large influx of a population into your country the ability to assimilate is limited. Take the integration of refugees from Somalia to the US in the 90s. They didn't spread them out all over the US, they placed them mostly in the same area, and instead of becoming more American, they maintained much of the culture in just a pocket of America. Some good, some bad, but not all great. Sweden and the European countries that took in the millions of Syrian refugees will have severe growing pains over the next decades due to the inability to spread out the people.

Also the Syrian refugee crisis was created by the CIA trying to enable regime change in Syria. Another US mistake in the world of global politics, where the US should have just stayed out of it. The Permanent US State, acting to remove a leader.

I kind of hate this since they should be able to live where they would like in the country but I can see why it is necessary. Yeah, if you want the immigrants, refugees, non-natives to integrate into you country/ society you have to spread them out if your taking in large numbers so that they don't take the easy route and just gather together and create their own tiny nation inside your country instead of integrating into the country. It's kind of how like me being a black person will zero in and go to the only other black person in the area instead of having a conversation with the dozens of white or hispanic people nearby.

 

[AJUMP23]

It's kind of how like me being a black person will zero in and go to the only other black person in the area instead of having a conversation with the dozens of white or hispanic people nearby.

This sounds a little racist..... It isn't because it is just the Birds of a feather syndrome.

I like how you didn't even mention Asians.

 

[Airola]

There are inferior ideas and outdated beliefs, but an entire culture cannot be labeled as "inferior". That is just nonsense. All cultures have strengths and weaknesses. Its pointless (and in most cases racist) to try to hold one above the others as if one culture is just free of its own prevalent issues and inherent problems.

If you are willing to say all cultures have strengths and weaknesses, why it's not possible that some cultures have more strengths than weaknesses and some have more weaknesses than strengths? I mean, saying that all cultures have strengths and weaknesses that somehow even each other out and it goes like that throughout all cultures everywhere and makes them be on the same line with each other just sounds very naive and ideological thinking.

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

It's not about religion but cultures. WWII was also about the sense of cultural superiority, which can be shown through history with centuries of colonialism invading "barbaric" countries. Resentment still felt to this day in many.

Trauma is still much present in many generations after the act.

I can agree to some degree.
But I'd like to draw attention to how Muslims in say the US are vastly less inclined to riot in this manner.
So I'd say it must be another part of a culture. One more closely tied to socioeconomic struggles.

 

[p_xavier]

I can agree to some degree.
But I'd like to draw attention to how Muslims in say the US are vastly less inclined to riot in this manner.
So I'd say it must be another part of a culture. One more closely tied to socioeconomic struggles.

My muslim friends are highly educated and many said they left their home countries because of extremists there. Getting into Canada requires degrees and it's tough to get in. We thus don't have many issues with integration as StreetsofBeige mentionned as the "lower class" is not able to come here if you see it. It sounds highly insensitive though.

 

[NahaNago]

This sounds a little racist..... It isn't because it is just the Birds of a feather syndrome.

I like how you didn't even mention Asians.

It's just a thing that happens which still sounds racist... I've been guilty of it and I've had black folks come to me as well if I was the only other black guy. When I was younger I would go straight to the Asian person since I took pride in the fact that I was half Asian.

I don't interact with a lot of Asians these days. In my younger days it was either Okinawans everywhere or a Filipino gathering.

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

My muslim friends are highly educated and many said they left their home countries because of extremists there. Getting into Canada requires degrees and it's tough to get in. We thus don't have many issues with integration as StreetsofBeige mentionned as the "lower class" is not able to come here if you see it. It sounds highly insensitive though.

We have our fair share of highly educated Muslims here too, but that imo goes to show that the answer is a socioeconomic one and not a cultural one.

 

[p_xavier]

We have our fair share of highly educated Muslims here too, but that imo goes to show that the answer is a socioeconomic one and not a cultural one.

Extremists of a culture might be a socioeconomic factor but it still relates directly to a culture.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I call shenanigans on this strain of moral relativism ITT. There's no way you're going to convince me Saudi Arabia isn't an absolute shit-hole who's only worth is its oil. Some cultures aren't worth the electricity used to argue over the internet with.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Is there a point where we can consider melting pot style countries a failed experiment?

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

Extremists of a culture might be a socioeconomic factor but it still relates directly to a culture.

I don't agree.
These aren't religious extremists at all.
If it was the culture you'd see a much higher prevalence among US well educated Muslims.
But we don't see the same behaviors.

 

[p_xavier]

I don't agree.
These aren't religious extremists at all.
If it was the culture you'd see a much higher prevalence among US well educated Muslims.
But we don't see the same behaviors.

American ultra religious are also in the lower social economic bracket and have influenced society. You don't see them killing people in the name of God.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Is there a point where we can consider melting pot style countries a failed experiment?

Hypothetically, sure, but I'd love to see some real world examples that are somehow objectively worse than aggressively homogenized cultures. America put a man on the moon 50 fuckin years ago. And last time I checked we're doing pretty alright compared to, say, some other "super powers" of that era…

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Hypothetically, sure, but I'd love to see some real world examples that are somehow objectively worse than aggressively homogenized cultures. America put a man on the moon 50 fuckin years ago. And last time I checked we're doing pretty alright compared to, say, some other "super powers" of that era…

By the modern standard, that era of America was hardly a melting pot.

 

[DeafTourette]

I was mostly going by the culture you was raised in versus the color of your skin culture. If a Nigerian was raised as a typical swedish person and the only difference was the color of their skin I would expect that person to be able to be very compatible with swedes since he would be mostly likely be into the music, tv shows, religion, school life, and typical life of a typical swede. He would also most likely have the same values of a swede so burning a book wouldn't bother him but he wouldn't burn possible certain books if it would bother someone( I'm guessing on this one).

Ok... Just so we're clear...

Are there any white cultures that currently exist that are inferior?

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

American ultra religious are also in the lower social economic bracket and have influenced society. You don't see them killing people in the name of God.

Wait what? I mean look at abortion bombings and killings.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

American ultra religious are also in the lower social economic bracket and have influenced society. You don't see them killing people in the name of God.

You're absolutely correct.

Not these days, anyway. To be fair, historically, groups like the KKK (who are unanimously considered villains, as they should) DID sometimes use Christian rationale for their vile and repulsive acts. But that is, at this point, practically ancient history. These days the KKK as an organization, and "white supremacy" in general, are practically non-existent entities with no real influence in any part of American life.

The United States from about 1960-2010 (or thereabouts) is the most successful example of a cultural melting pot in the history of melting pots. Starting in about 2010, elite-induced divisions among the bulk of the population has massively weakened the collective American unity. Which is sad to see.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

The best way to create -- and maintain -- a melting pot is to have immigrants assimilate into the overarching culture, but contribute to the overarching culture with their specific culture. In the United States, we have:

- a holiday celebrating Mexican culture ("Cinco de Mayo"), and Mexican/"Tex-Mex" cuisine is wildly celebrated and loved here
- a holiday celebrating Irish culture ("St. Patrick's Day") and most of the country wears green on that day
- Italian cuisine is universally loved here
- Same thing with Chinese, whether it's traditionally Chinese, or Chinese with American influences (even Chinese version of "soul food!")
- Many ethnic groups concentrated in places use the official American street names, but sometimes for one major street or two, give symbolic names to those streets that reflect the original culture
- Etc....

Refusing to assimilate to the overarching culture of the country you're immigrating to is not a recipe for success.

EDIT: part of the problem in the US at the moment is that we have the double combo of some people refusing to assimilate, AND many traditional things being declared "problematic" -- so, an American person trying to enjoy Mexican food is now "cultural appropriation" or some such nonsense.

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

The best way to create -- and maintain -- a melting pot is to have immigrants assimilate into the overarching culture, but contribute to the overarching culture with their specific culture. In the United States, we have:

- a holiday celebrating Mexican culture ("Cinco de Mayo"), and Mexican/"Tex-Mex" cuisine is wildly celebrated and loved here
- a holiday celebrating Irish culture ("St. Patrick's Day") and most of the country wears green on that day
- Italian cuisine is universally loved here
- Same thing with Chinese, whether it's traditionally Chinese, or Chinese with American influences (even Chinese version of "soul food!")
- Many ethnic groups concentrated in places use the official American street names, but sometimes for one major street or two, give symbolic names to those streets that reflect the original culture
- Etc....

Refusing to assimilate to the overarching culture of the country you're immigrating to is not a recipe for success.

EDIT: part of the problem in the US at the moment is that we have the double combo of some people refusing to assimilate, AND many traditional things being declared "problematic" -- so, an American person trying to enjoy Mexican food is now "cultural assimilation" or some such nonsense.

I'm not sure if assimilation is the word you are looking for.
Assimilation means that the minority group or culture comes to resemble a society's majority group.

Those things listed are assimilation since it means that they cultural exchange goes primarily one way.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

I'm not sure if assimilation is the word you are looking for.
Assimilation means that the minority group or culture comes to resemble a society's majority group.

Those things listed are assimilation since it means that they cultural exchange goes primarily one way.

Yes, assimilation is the word I'm looking for.

America is tricky since the immigrant groups are not necessarily assimilating to a strong native ethnic culture with lots of rich folkloric elements. They're instead assimilating to a set of ideas that all Americans should stand for. (Belief in the founding principles of the country; the Constitution; English as the national language; freedom of religion but respect for the majority's Judeo-Christian roots; etc.) Beyond those things, there were historically cultural elements that did bring all Americans together (baseball, certain kinds of music, etc.)

 

[Zeroing]

That's not about race but culture. When you have net positive outcomes like most nordic countries with high level of happiness, social peace, etc. I have difficulty to see how other cultures can objectivelly be better.

As for Dr. King, is it possible that multiiculturalism just doesn't work? Many former EU leaders as Angela Markel said so.

Multiculturalism can exist kinda, depends on the definition.
Portugal is an example that nobody knows… it's been like that for quite some centuries. Specially during the 18th century but the major difference is people welcomed, mixed all cultures into one and celebrate it. I'm not talking about assimilation, I am taking about people mixing naturally, without being shun away into a group or refusing to live outside their cultural background.

Maybe it is because Portugal has been a country of migrants and most people have a more flexible view of what our culture is. All this is complex.

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

Yes, assimilation is the word I'm looking for.

America is tricky since the immigrant groups are not necessarily assimilating to a strong native ethnic culture with lots of rich folkloric elements. They're instead assimilating to a set of ideas that all Americans should stand for. (Belief in the founding principles of the country; the Constitution; English as the national language; freedom of religion but respect for the majority's Judeo-Christian roots; etc.) Beyond those things, there were historically cultural elements that did bring all Americans together (baseball, certain kinds of music, etc.)

Ok, but I'm still confused.

But the things you listed before are cultural things being introduced into the mainstream of society.
That isn't assimilation.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Yes, assimilation is the word I'm looking for.

America is tricky since the immigrant groups are not necessarily assimilating to a strong native ethnic culture with lots of rich folkloric elements. They're instead assimilating to a set of ideas that all Americans should stand for. (Belief in the founding principles of the country; the Constitution; English as the national language; freedom of religion but respect for the majority's Judeo-Christian roots; etc.) Beyond those things, there were historically cultural elements that did bring all Americans together (baseball, certain kinds of music, etc.)

A big problem in modern America is that it's become virtuous to not assimilate to the culture here. There is very little social incentive to do so. In many groups assimilation is seen as a weakness. It's only getting worse as the numbers grow and founding people feel more and more disenfranchised.

 

[p_xavier]

Ok... Just so we're clear...

Are there any white cultures that currently exist that are inferior?

Would that do?

Multiculturalism can exist kinda, depends on the definition.
Portugal is an example that nobody knows… it's been like that for quite some centuries. Specially during the 18th century but the major difference is people welcomed, mixed all cultures into one and celebrate it. I'm not talking about assimilation, I am taking about people mixing naturally, without being shun away into a group or refusing to live outside their cultural background.

Maybe it is because Portugal has been a county of migrants and most people have a more flexible view of what our culture is. All this is complex.

I lived in many provinces in Canada. Quebec has put in interculturalism, which is kinda the old USA way of a melting pot. It has put strong secular values and prohibits religious symbols for people in authority figures. There's even a value test to pass to be able to immigrate and see if you fit in. You can be deported if you don't learn the language of the majority which is French. This works pretty well so far, no hate between groups, people get along pretty well in Montreal.

Rest of Canada has multiculturalism, which is bring your own culture and do you. This puts cultural ghettos in many cities and same cultural wars seen into their home countries. You can be in a neighboorhood and people didn't even bother to learn English after spending 40 years here. This in my perspective doesn't work. Toronto is a divided city because of it. People might be convinced otherwise but I see it a failure of a model. You need to have common values to stay a strong nation. In the USA and Canada, the common values are diminishing rapidly. Rest of Canada sees Quebec as racist province because it put a common core of values people must adhere.

 

[EverydayBeast]

There's a story of Muslims burning books in history for religious reasons the goal of those books are to teach not burn them for messages.

 

[Javthusiast]

Religion. The worst thing humanity invented.

 

[DarthPutin]

The "problem" with Islam IMO is not that it's a "worse" religion - it's very interesting, sophisticated religion elevated by many philosopher thinkers, one that teaches to treat other people (fellow Muslim true believers) well. And of course Muslim people aren't inferior to anyone, that is racist nonsense. I've only been to couple of Muslim countries but I had positive impressions and heard a lot of good things about others. There are good and shitty people everywhere, that's a given. Within those countries it's a coherent working set of beliefs from which culture flows.

The "problem" present here with Islam as a religion... is that there are still lots of people that genuinely, passionately believe in its tenets. Enough to die for, or to kill for, if necessary. Used to be true for Christianity as well, but it's increasingly weird for us to comprehend.

Of course there are large swaths of muslim people who are just like majority of modern Christians – born into certain culture/belief and just exist in it, following some rules more out of habit. But a lot of believers still "take their religion seriously", right to the logical conclusion.

In western values almost everything is malleable except for personal freedom, tolerance is the cornerstone of it, whereas in many religious dogmas including Islam there are things that can NOT be tolerated. (And it makes sense to me, you either believe you're subjected to eternal damnation for something, or you don't. And if you DO believe it, makes no sense to take it lightly. )

Islam isn't unique in this regard, but its young-er, still passionate and growing religion, which still takes itself seriously – and still in period of growth….

 

[Zeroing]

Would that do?

I lived in many provinces in Canada. Quebec has put in interculturalism, which is kinda the old USA way of a melting pot. It has put strong secular values and prohibits religious symbols for people in authority figures. There's even a value test to pass to be able to immigrate and see if you fit in. You can be deported if you don't learn the language of the majority which is French. This works pretty well so far, no hate between groups, people get along pretty well in Montreal.

Rest of Canada has multiculturalism, which is bring your own culture and do you. This puts cultural ghettos in many cities and same cultural wars seen into their home countries. You can be in a neighboorhood and people didn't even bother to learn English after spending 40 years here. This in my perspective doesn't work. Toronto is a divided city because of it. People might be convinced otherwise but I see it a failure of a model. You need to have common values to stay a strong nation. In the USA and Canada, the common values are diminishing rapidly. Rest of Canada sees Quebec as racist province because it put a common core of values people must adhere.

Here in Portugal, for example while all of Europe was refusing to receive refugees of Syria or Africa, we welcome them and all is well.

Anyway to every migrant, the first thing is to learn the language and people are helpful in everything and willing to know more about them and their cultures. That already builds a sense of belonging and community. Yes also here the State/government and religion are separated.

I had friends traveling to Portugal and I remember one asking me "where are the guettos?" lol we have none. So maybe Portugal is like Quebec.

 

[strange headache]

African-American culture, Native-American, Latino-American, Asian-American cultures shouldn't be compatible with white American cultures by that logic either... But it happens. The dominant population was making laws against each of these groups and it took people like Dr. King to get them struck down.
If understanding and absence of hate were practiced more, we likely wouldn't have all the problems we have in the world. Don't be a jerk and we can all get along ...not saying things like "your culture is inferior" ...

African, Native and Asian culture damn well comply with basic humanist, libertarian and democratic principles of "white (American) culture", otherwise they can f*ck right off! Practice your culture and your beliefs/religion all you like, but as soon as they infringe upon human rights and democratic values, they rightfully need to be put in place. I have no tolerance for cultures that do not respect enlightenment values.

Comparing MLK to what these religious extremists are doing in Sweden is just absolutely retarded. MLK was fighting exactly for what I mentioned above, basic and equal human rights. The Islamic nutjobs in Sweden act against everything that MLK stood for by resorting to violence in order to enforce blasphemy rules that stand in direct conflict with modern pluralistic democracies. Seeking to make your own retarded beliefs sacrosanct by outright intimidating others, is not how differences should be settled in a modern society.

Burning the Quran might be a dumb provocation, but a legal one bestowed upon you by virtue of modern democracy. Nobody has the right to burn down whole city blocks in order to prevent others from ridiculing your religion. If you're unable to voice your dissent through reasoned debate and must therefore resort to violent action, then you have no place in our society.

I have no understanding and no tolerance for such behavior and neither should you. This has nothing to do with racism, you can practice your retarded beliefs however you want in your own private sphere as long as you don't infringe upon the liberties of others. It's as simple as that!

Religions are a dumb idea anyway, so why should we be respectful of them? It took us almost 500 years to reel in the excesses of Christianity only to now import another kind of religious fanaticism that has absolutely no place in western society.

 

[Mohonky]

American ultra religious are also in the lower social economic bracket and have influenced society. You don't see them killing people in the name of God.

Who do you think makes up the majority of the US armed forces?

Make no mistake; there are pockets of ultra conservative Americans that would happily blow themselves up for a greater cause, they just largely don't have a need to.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Comparing Abu Dhabi to Seattle or Chicago makes it insane to me to call Muslims an inferior culture.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Ok, but I'm still confused.

But the things you listed before are cultural things being introduced into the mainstream of society.
That isn't assimilation.

What are you confused about?

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

African, Native and Asian culture damn well comply with basic humanist, libertarian and democratic principles of "white (American) culture", otherwise they can f*ck right off! Practice your culture and your beliefs/religion all you like, but as soon as they infringe upon human rights and democratic values, they rightfully need to be put in place. I have no tolerance for cultures that do not respect enlightenment values.

Comparing MLK to what these religious extremists are doing in Sweden is just absolutely retarded. MLK was fighting exactly for what I mentioned above, basic and equal human rights. The Islamic nutjobs in Sweden act against everything that MLK stood for by resorting to violence in order to enforce blasphemy rules that stand in direct conflict with modern pluralistic democracies. Seeking to make your own retarded beliefs sacrosanct by outright intimidating others, is not how differences should be settled in a modern society.

Burning the Quran might be a dumb provocation, but a legal one bestowed upon you by virtue of modern democracy. Nobody has the right to burn down whole city blocks in order to prevent others from ridiculing your religion. If you're unable to voice your dissent through reasoned debate and must therefore resort to violent action, then you have no place in our society.

I have no understanding and no tolerance for such behavior and neither should you. This has nothing to do with racism, you can practice your retarded beliefs however you want in your own private sphere as long as you don't infringe upon the liberties of others. It's as simple as that!

Religions are a dumb idea anyway, so why should we be respectful of them? It took us almost 500 years to reel in the excesses of Christianity only to now import another kind of religious fanaticism that has absolutely no place in western society.

These people aren't religious enough to be called extremists.
Petty criminals most and disenfranchised young men.

Like I've said before in the thread the burnings of holy books is only I small part of the issue.

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

What are you confused about?

You mentioned stuff that has been incorporated into the main stream society and label that as assimilation.
That isn't what assimilation means.

 

[Kimahri]

Yeah .. that is kinda racist.

Riots have happened all over for less in Europe by the majority population... Just like they have any other country or continent.

Religious extremists have bombed abortion clinics, shot abortion doctors, "Christians" have killed atheists...

But sure... Show them you don't respect them and keep trying to expect that they don't push back.

Dr. King said riots are the voice of the unheard. Maybe look a bit deeper instead of being a racist hack?

Nah, it's not. There are inferior cultures and it pisses me off that we allow them to come here and infect us with their bullshit.

I've worked in the school system for nearly 20 years now, and I've dealt with too many boys and their proud fucking fathers to not see that there is something terribly fucking wrong with islam.

More times than not we've got kids being instructed by their fathers to not accept certain topics, to refuse teaching in any religion other than islam, to disrespect female teachers, to disrespect non muslim teachers and non muslims in general.

And oh, let's not forget "you're not allowed to bring home non muslim friends", and women being shoved into a different room while the men (and boys cause they rank higher than their mums) do the talking.

Oh, and let's not forget chewing khat like it's fucking bubblegum. Ever wondered why so many boys from africa have brown etchmarks on their teeth? Wonder no more.

I'm not racist, but this is the tip of the iceberg of the fuckin horseshit teachers increasingly have to deal with from muslims who refuse to even consider respecting the culture of the country they have willingly moved to.

Fuck them.

 

[StormCell]

It's just a thing that happens which still sounds racist... I've been guilty of it and I've had black folks come to me as well if I was the only other black guy. When I was younger I would go straight to the Asian person since I took pride in the fact that I was half Asian.

I don't interact with a lot of Asians these days. In my younger days it was either Okinawans everywhere or a Filipino gathering.

There is nothing wrong at all with seeking out those who are familiar to you when you are surrounded by strangers. If we were standing in a room full of extraterrestrials, as the only two humans in the room we are bound to seek each other out. It's basic survival instinct. In a room full of <insert imposing foreigners>, if I see anyone American-looking or western (black, hispanic, or mediterranean) I will be over by them in a short minute. We are all family, dude. We have our familial divisions over what went on in the past, but when shit gets real we are on the same side.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

You mentioned stuff that has been incorporated into the main stream society and label that as assimilation.
That isn't what assimilation means.

Wiktionary defines it as "The adoption, by a minority group, of the customs and attitudes of the dominant culture."

What I said is EXACTLY assimilation. So please get to the point and provide your definition and your view on what assimilation (or lack thereof) is going on in the United States.

EDIT: I think we're talking past each other, honestly at this point I don't even know what you're referring to

 

[strange headache]

Like I've said before in the thread the burnings of holy books is only I small part of the issue.

That is what they riot about. And if there are other issues, that still does not give you the right to behave in such manner.
My grandparents suffered through war, my parents had to endure the post-war era, things we far from rosy or fair, but they did not behave like this.

Western societies are some of the most open and welcoming societies in human history, but multiculturalism only works if tolerance is mutual. The people who are rioting in Sweden made it very clear that they have zero respect for our values.

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

Nah, it's not. There are inferior cultures and it pisses me off that we allow them to come here and infect us with their bullshit.

I've worked in the school system for nearly 20 years now, and I've dealt with too many boys and their proud fucking fathers to not see that there is something terribly fucking wrong with islam.

More times than not we've got kids being instructed by their fathers to not accept certain topics, to refuse teaching in any religion other than islam, to disrespect female teachers, to disrespect non muslim teachers and non muslims in general.

And oh, let's not forget "you're not allowed to bring home non muslim friends", and women being shoved into a different room while the men (and boys cause they rank higher than their mums) do the talking.

Oh, and let's not forget chewing khat like it's fucking bubblegum. Ever wondered why so many boys from africa have brown etchmarks on their teeth? Wonder no more.

I'm not racist, but this is the tip of the iceberg of the fuckin horseshit teachers increasingly have to deal with from muslims who refuse to even consider respecting the culture of the country they have willingly moved to.

Fuck them.

So I'll ask again.
Why aren't this issues you talk about as wife an issue with Muslim communities in say USA?

 

[Urban]

There are inferior cultures, just people say it's racist to point it out.

So you drop something racist like that and once someone answers you be like : I'm out it's political.

What are the inferior cultures you are talking about ?

 

[Darth_Ghandi]

Wiktionary defines it as "The adoption, by a minority group, of the customs and attitudes of the dominant culture."

What I said is EXACTLY assimilation. So please get to the point and provide your definition and your view on what assimilation (or lack thereof) is going on in the United States.

That would imply that things like cinco de mayo wouldn't be celebrated if it was assimilation. Since it isn't a tradition rooted in and by the majority group?

 

[p_xavier]

So you drop something racist like that and once someone answers you be like : I'm out it's political.

What are the inferior cultures you are talking about ?

Continue reading the thread. If you think culture is a race, that's your issue. it doesn't make it so.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

That would imply that things like cinco de mayo wouldn't be celebrated if it was assimilation. Since it isn't a tradition rooted in and by the majority group?

The examples I gave in that initial post are about the immigrant/minority culture successfully adding to the majority culture to create a "melting pot." The emphasis of that particular post were the contributions of the minority/immigrant cultures into the majority.

My subsequent posts focus more on the actual assimilation, which is the minority/immigrant cultures adjusting to the majority -- customs, values, and ideas that bind the United States together.

Hope that clears things up and we can move forward with the actual discussion/debate.

 

[Urban]

Continue reading the thread. If you think culture is a race, that's your issue. it doesn't make it so.

i did but you didnt elaborate your points.
Which are the inferior cultures you are talking about? Thats a straight and simple question.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Nah, it's not. There are inferior cultures and it pisses me off that we allow them to come here and infect us with their bullshit.

I've worked in the school system for nearly 20 years now, and I've dealt with too many boys and their proud fucking fathers to not see that there is something terribly fucking wrong with islam.

More times than not we've got kids being instructed by their fathers to not accept certain topics, to refuse teaching in any religion other than islam, to disrespect female teachers, to disrespect non muslim teachers and non muslims in general.

And oh, let's not forget "you're not allowed to bring home non muslim friends", and women being shoved into a different room while the men (and boys cause they rank higher than their mums) do the talking.

Oh, and let's not forget chewing khat like it's fucking bubblegum. Ever wondered why so many boys from africa have brown etchmarks on their teeth? Wonder no more.

I'm not racist, but this is the tip of the iceberg of the fuckin horseshit teachers increasingly have to deal with from muslims who refuse to even consider respecting the culture of the country they have willingly moved to.

Fuck them.

The reasons they are physically there is a failure of the host nations. Liberal democracies cannot deal with these situations. Look at the population and cultural trends in western countries. It's just a matter of time before they no longer exist.