nush
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So what did those characters achieve at the end? The send off looked like it was just a group hug.
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So what did those characters achieve at the end? The send off looked like it was just a group hug.
sol_bad
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Get over it, it was always purged.
sol_bad
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The last 2 years have been about adults crying over Star Wars.
Unknown Soldier
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Fuck that. I refuse to accept a canon where the likes of Kyle Katarn, Jacen/Jaina/Anakin Solo, Mara Jade, and Darth Revan have been erased from existence. You can keep your Disneyshit, no one else wants it anyways.
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Stiflers Mom
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What did you expect? Group fistfucking at the end of a Star Wars movie?
sol_bad
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Lucas didn't give a shit about the EU, it's never been cannon. Ever.
Disney just reset the clock so that things moving forward would be canon and there wouldn't be contradictions.
nush
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I'd watch that.
#Phonepunk#
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RT implemented changes after Captain Marvel to confront review brigading. it’s likely they are removing bad audience scores and leaving good ones. maybe a bit tinfoil but not beyond the realm of possibilities
Shantae
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I've always been a little confused since I heard about it, but why the hell does Rey go to Tatooine at the end other than fan service? She buries Luke and Leia's sabers there, but would they even want that? Leia wasn't from there, and Luke couldn't wait to get away from Tatooine. He didn't even like being back there in RotJ, but had to come to save Han. And is it implied that Rey is just gonna live there now and take the Skywalker name? She was stuck on a shitty desert planet at the beginning of TFA, and she's gonna stay on another shitty desert planet?
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Doczu
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It made me chuckle, thats more than the premise of ROS, so you can stay here mate!
Super Mario
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Movie critiquing has become incredibleycringe-worthy because of the internet. Now here's mine because I can. Because we are so observant, we can state some characters weren't used right. Yet Boba Fett can die in pit by getting accidentally hit by a blind guy, and that movie is a classic, and that character is iconic, because we weren't there to discuss it to death.
I actually think the only stain in this trilogy was TLJ. TFA played it safe, but left promise and a new story forward. TLJ just did a bunch of senseless things that left no story.
Was RoS perfect? No. It did however, manage to come off satisfying and build off of what little TLJ left. The fan service definitely made it feel like star wars. Lots of loose ends were tied up well with what they had to work with.
I actually think the only stain in this trilogy was TLJ. TFA played it safe, but left promise and a new story forward. TLJ just did a bunch of senseless things that left no story.
Was RoS perfect? No. It did however, manage to come off satisfying and build off of what little TLJ left. The fan service definitely made it feel like star wars. Lots of loose ends were tied up well with what they had to work with.
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Explosive Zombie
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She buried their legacy in a place no one goes to that has special import to Luke, after all Leia's home world is gone. There's no reason to assume she remains there and that she isn't simply walking back to the Falcon at the end. I thought having her adopt their name and walk off into the twin sunsets was maybe the most perfect way to end such a saga.
Southern Gentleman
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Don't discount this possibility. 86% from the audience is suspicious. On IMDB, I was scrolling through 1s. Plenty of people hate this flick.
Catphish
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I liked ep.9 a lot and, frankly, I don't know how fans of the OT could be disappointed.
Considering that Abrams wasn't even supposed to direct this thing, and the shambles he had to resume from, I think he did a great job.
The SJW shit was stifled, almost of Johnson's bullshit either muted or tidied up, and a proper homage to the OT was presented. On top of all of that, some of the plot points were really unexpected and shocking, but in believable and congruent ways (however, I went into the movie blind. I didn't read a single leak or theory, nor did I watch a single trailer).
I feel like Abrams really did the best he could with what he had, and really tried to do right by the old school fans, all while cooking up a pretty good story.
Can't ask for much more than that.
Considering that Abrams wasn't even supposed to direct this thing, and the shambles he had to resume from, I think he did a great job.
The SJW shit was stifled, almost of Johnson's bullshit either muted or tidied up, and a proper homage to the OT was presented. On top of all of that, some of the plot points were really unexpected and shocking, but in believable and congruent ways (however, I went into the movie blind. I didn't read a single leak or theory, nor did I watch a single trailer).
I feel like Abrams really did the best he could with what he had, and really tried to do right by the old school fans, all while cooking up a pretty good story.
Can't ask for much more than that.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
You're correct but I believe it still had to be approved by him or his story people. Lucas was personally involved with Force Unleashed iirc and unless he retconned it the EU was always in a "gray area" of canon.
KOTOR was met with very high praise and is among the best SW there is. It's the best right after the OT imo. Lucas might have left it alone. Disney instead plans on making a KOTOR movie if the very strong hints in the ROS Visual Dictionary are any hints.
Overall though at least Lucas respected it and left it alone. Disney and Kennedy just said "fuck you" to the EU.
And you know if Disney does go through with KOTOR movie don't expect it to be faithful and expect plenty of "Current Year" to go with it.
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John Day
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Saw it last night, and i feel exactly the same, on point.
I liked it though overall, sure felt like a checklist of fan service indeed, but then again what SW material isn’t today?
Shizumapower
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anti-TLJ confirmed
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Damn.
Even Star Wars actors be hating this.
www.cinemablend.com
Even Star Wars actors be hating this.
The Mandalorian Actor Slams Rise Of Skywalker As 'The Worst Star Wars Movie'
'An absolute f**king failure...'
www.cinemablend.com
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autoduelist
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Save yer money, get yer fix here
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lefty1117
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Damn.
Even Star Wars actors be hating this.
The Mandalorian Actor Slams Rise Of Skywalker As 'The Worst Star Wars Movie'
'An absolute f**king failure...'
Yeah the guy whose jerk character was killed in the only episode he appeared in
Overall I liked the movie, it jammed a lot in, and I'm left wondering just how good this trilogy might have been if TLJ didn't take it off course. Disney screwed up by not keeping to a singular vision for the series and allowing someone else to come in halfway through and muss it all up.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
It's my favorite of the ST.Yeah the guy whose jerk character was killed in the only episode he appeared in
Overall I liked the movie, it jammed a lot in, and I'm left wondering just how good this trilogy might have been if TLJ didn't take it off course. Disney screwed up by not keeping to a singular vision for the series and allowing someone else to come in halfway through and muss it all up.
I do really like everything with Sidious and the Sith temple.
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lefty1117
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yeah I think it would have been better served over two movies. I mean they basically established his return in the crawl text ... not the ideal way to do it, but they were jammed for time. I wonder if a 3 hour cut of this movie exists? I was sad we just got a little piece of Luke and Leia training together ... probably my favorite scene in the movie.
Unknown Soldier
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Well I mean you're wrong, Lucas didn't care about the EU in the sense that he ignored it if he wanted to make a movie and it was going to contradict the EU. In that sense, Lucas considered his canon "true canon" over the EU if they contradicted. For example when he invented midichlorians that overrode anything the EU said about the nature of the Force. But he didn't actively hate the EU, he left it alone and in fact when he saw things which were cool in the EU he even adopted it into his films.
Coruscant was conceived by Timothy Zahn for the Thrawn Trilogy and has since been officially named the capital world of the Republic and Empire for instance, that's straight up from the EU and adopted by Lucas for the PT (and briefly inserted into the ROTJ Special Edition ending) and was officially canon. And then Coruscant was completely erased from the ST and the planet Starkiller Base blew up in TFA was not Coruscant even though a 1 second shot of the planet made it look a lot like Coruscant. It just doesn't make any fucking sense what Disney has done unless their goal was to purposely shit on the franchise they spent $4 billion to acquire to spite all the existing fanbase.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I really hate how Disney ignored the PT. No planets from there, very little mention of events, etc minus
maybe Sidious' "unnatural" abilities quote in ROS.
sol_bad
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That's exactly the point.
All the EU books that were set after the OT films, Lucas would have ignored everything to make his own story. He wouldn't acknowledge any of it.
Your example with Corruscant being pulled from the EU, it's exactly what Disney are doing now. Pulling from the EU when it's convenient for them just like Lucas did when it was convenient for him.
Also it was Hosnian Prime that was blown up in TFA, nor Corrucant.
People can enjoy EU today just as much as they did in 2010 and 1985. EU was never going to impact the movies Lucas made.
John Day
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Yes! I wanted more of that scene cause it looked so cool!
Wait, so what the First Order blew up wasn’t Coruscant?
lefty1117
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No it was the Hosni system or something like that. The seat of government for the New Republic
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John Day
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That skipped my mind entirely. Then i wonder what’s the aituation in Coruscant then all those years.
JLMC469
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#Phonepunk#
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Having seen this it is baffling anyone working as a mainstream critic would have a problem with the movie. It is a shut your brain off popcorn movie but is a lot of fun to watch go off the rails. I do like how it goes out of its way at times to give you the things you wanted to see in the last movie but didn’t get to. It does a lot of fan pleasing but has a lot of new stuff as well, with cool new characters, Zorri Bliss and Babu Frik. It makes a lot of controversial decisions, maybe even more than Rian given lore implications. But it is thru and thru a classic pulp fantasy. Considered alongside the OT I can see why it would be very controversial. Still. As an isolated film without any preconceptions it’s pretty cool a perfectly fine film. Man, critics are really stuck up if they don’t like this.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
It's mine too thanks in large part to Sidious.
thequestion
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Just got back. The movie actually isn't that bad. JJ had an insurmountable task of trying to right the ship, after the disastrous narrative beats of Last Jedi - and he almost sticks the landing. A good second movie would of been such a huge difference maker, in making this new trilogy, something special, and after watching the third movie, that has never been more evident.
All in all, the Rise of Skywalker is an "okay" Star Wars movie, it's just that it could of been great. I feel JJ did the best he could with what RJ left him to work with. Palpatine showing up out of nowhere is ridiculous, but he's such an entertaining character, it's hard to fault JJ for bringing him back, although it is kind of lazy.
Rise of Skywalker is a 6/10 movie.
Force Awakens is a 7/10 movie.
Last Jedi is a 1/10 movie
A few things instead of shoehorning into the third movie, should of/would of been in the second movie, if they had hired a director that actually had an interest in the Star Wars Universe and knew how to tell a decent second story in a trilogy of stories.
Luke and Leia training - this scene would of been extended and revealed when Luke is training Ray.
We would also of gotten a scene with Luke and Lando going on Luke's last adventure, before having the revelation that led Luke to live as a hermit.
Poe's backstory as a spice pilot and his guild - the girl with the helmet and her relationship with Poe would of been more fleshed out.
I still believe, to this day, that the real ending to TLJ, is Ray turns to the darkside and Kylo either stands by her side in the dark side, Or kylo becomes Ben solo, again (Leia's death happens in the second movie and is the driving factor that turns Kylo back to the light side/or Kylo's turn happens at the beginning of the third movie)
Foreshadowing Palpatine
Adam Driver is a good actor. His turn from evil to good is incredibly abrupt - but when he becomes a good guy - it's like a switch went off in me, and I almost instantly stared rooting for him - he was badass! I'm a really cynical guy, so I'm amazed that Adam Driver was able to change my mood so convincingly. Just imagine if he had been the hero for either the entire 3rd movie, or at least most of it, as he had to get to Ray and try to turn her back to the light-side of the force - that would of made for a great 3rd film.
Luke and Leia training - this scene would of been extended and revealed when Luke is training Ray.
We would also of gotten a scene with Luke and Lando going on Luke's last adventure, before having the revelation that led Luke to live as a hermit.
Poe's backstory as a spice pilot and his guild - the girl with the helmet and her relationship with Poe would of been more fleshed out.
I still believe, to this day, that the real ending to TLJ, is Ray turns to the darkside and Kylo either stands by her side in the dark side, Or kylo becomes Ben solo, again (Leia's death happens in the second movie and is the driving factor that turns Kylo back to the light side/or Kylo's turn happens at the beginning of the third movie)
Foreshadowing Palpatine
Adam Driver is a good actor. His turn from evil to good is incredibly abrupt - but when he becomes a good guy - it's like a switch went off in me, and I almost instantly stared rooting for him - he was badass! I'm a really cynical guy, so I'm amazed that Adam Driver was able to change my mood so convincingly. Just imagine if he had been the hero for either the entire 3rd movie, or at least most of it, as he had to get to Ray and try to turn her back to the light-side of the force - that would of made for a great 3rd film.
All in all, the Rise of Skywalker is an "okay" Star Wars movie, it's just that it could of been great. I feel JJ did the best he could with what RJ left him to work with. Palpatine showing up out of nowhere is ridiculous, but he's such an entertaining character, it's hard to fault JJ for bringing him back, although it is kind of lazy.
Rise of Skywalker is a 6/10 movie.
Force Awakens is a 7/10 movie.
Last Jedi is a 1/10 movie
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TyphoonStruggle
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iconmaster
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I liked your post but you have to figure this out.
Interesting data point:
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kunonabi
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i for one am shocked that those Chinese SW novels didnt turn the franchise around there.
I wonder why China doesn’t like Star wars
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Ghosts and woke?
nush
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They didn't grow up with it.
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I'm guessing it's this. Just like the prequel trilogy probably didn't create many new lifelong Star Wars fans, I can't see this trilogy doing that very well, either. On its own, it's just not very memorable.
I can totally imagine new viewers with no nostalgia coming into these movies and wondering why anyone ever liked this shit, assuming the original trilogy was basically the same thing.
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Unknown Soldier
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China doesn't care if the Force is male or female. They just care if the Force is GOOD, which the ST decidedly is not.