ResilientBanana
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I didn't like it. I like a lot of things. But not this.
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JimmyRustler
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Saw it yesterday as well and thought it had a slow start and some weird new force stuff but final hour was dope and overall I‘d say it‘s the best of the new trilogy. Really liked how they took a few hits at TLJ. Kinda cheap, but funny nonetheles.
hooijdonk17
Member
I've had a long time to reflect on this, so this is me speaking with a sound of reason after I've cooled my jets so to speak.
MovieBob is right. Relax, it's fine. No, it's not an 8/10 movie (though I understand why he gave it an 8/10, the exaggerated score was an extension of his verbal defense of the movie - it is genuinely more a 6/10, and the RT score reflects this..) but it is an OK movie nonetheless.
It is deeply flawed, it has a lot of things going wrong with it, it has a lot of plot holes, it has terrible character development, and it is incredibly anti-climactic. However, a lot of these are not it's faults. The Last Jedi did not leave Rise of Skywalker anything, let alone much, to work with. Structurally, the second movie of a trilogy is supposed to build the characters and the plot while introducing the major conflict that will be resolved in the finale. What The Last Jedi did was build absolutely nothing while unsatisfactorily resolving half-baked conflicts at the cost of several plot-sensitive character deaths. This deals ROS a terrible hand. As an analogy, think of it as a director having to cram Infinity War and Endgame into the same movie. It actually manages this to the extent that its runtime allows it to be done, which is not a satisfying result but it is an accomplishment nonetheless.
The more I look at it, everything that is lacking in Rise of Skywalker and every cheap plot device it uses to build a story is because the second movie was a colossal waste of time and money on behalf of everyone involved. I don't like Rise of Skywalker, but upon reflection I don't hate it. If anything it has made me hate The Last Jedi even more if such a thing was possible.
MovieBob is right. Relax, it's fine. No, it's not an 8/10 movie (though I understand why he gave it an 8/10, the exaggerated score was an extension of his verbal defense of the movie - it is genuinely more a 6/10, and the RT score reflects this..) but it is an OK movie nonetheless.
It is deeply flawed, it has a lot of things going wrong with it, it has a lot of plot holes, it has terrible character development, and it is incredibly anti-climactic. However, a lot of these are not it's faults. The Last Jedi did not leave Rise of Skywalker anything, let alone much, to work with. Structurally, the second movie of a trilogy is supposed to build the characters and the plot while introducing the major conflict that will be resolved in the finale. What The Last Jedi did was build absolutely nothing while unsatisfactorily resolving half-baked conflicts at the cost of several plot-sensitive character deaths. This deals ROS a terrible hand. As an analogy, think of it as a director having to cram Infinity War and Endgame into the same movie. It actually manages this to the extent that its runtime allows it to be done, which is not a satisfying result but it is an accomplishment nonetheless.
The more I look at it, everything that is lacking in Rise of Skywalker and every cheap plot device it uses to build a story is because the second movie was a colossal waste of time and money on behalf of everyone involved. I don't like Rise of Skywalker, but upon reflection I don't hate it. If anything it has made me hate The Last Jedi even more if such a thing was possible.
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Are people on this board actually upset about "Social Justice Garbage" in this movie? I literally don't see it. "Holyshit there's more than two black people in this one? Now that's what I call a sequel!"
What the fuck are you on about?
The only person introducing that angle to the conversation is you.
Unless I have missed something?
Yeah, it's prefect.
They tied themselves in knots defending The Last Jedi to the extent that any criticism of this movie makes them look like giant fucking hypocrites.
I will admit that I am not a huge fan of the "Fandom Menace" guys and their clickbaity headlines but what I will say is that after 2 years of being strawmanned, lied about and smeared I do not begrudge them their opportunity to hit back.
I think with The Last Jedi we were told everything from "themes don't matter" to "you are just mad that Rian didn't give you what you wanted" to "It's a movie about space wizards for kids" to just outright telling people that they are watching movies wrong.
Now that is all suddenly abandoned because the same "defend TLJ at all costs" morons went to see ROS and hated it.
This whole thing makes me wonder if we would see the same results if Christopher Nolan made a Star Wars movie and it sucked.
Nolan fans would tie themselves in knots trying to explain why it's actually the best Star Wars yet only to completely contradict themselves when the next director comes along and makes a bad Star Wars movie of their own.
I think it might be reasonable to say now, in hindsight, that the fallout from TLJ was a battle between Rian Johnson fans and Star Wars fans.
Now that RJ is gone it's back to normal basically with everyone hating the movie but without the RJ fans trying to tell everyone how they just don't get it.
Stuff like this makes me question if the people who really loved TLJ actually understood much about Star Wars to begin with.
Spoilers obviously: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/cu...-of-skywalker-spoilers-episode-9-reys-parents
"That’s one of the reasons I was so affected back in 2017 when Rey, the hero of the latest Star Wars trilogy, discovered in The Last Jedi that her parents were just junk traders. In director Rian Johnson’s vision of the character’s origin — and his vision of the Star Wars saga as a whole — the Force isn’t linked to a lineage of particular characters. Anyone could have it."
It's the fact that TLJ was raised up on the basis of this kind of fundamental misunderstanding that makes me just not trust media opinions on movies like this at all.
The prequel trilogy has so many force users and Jedi running around in them it's incredible. Expand that out into novels and videogames etc and the Star Wars universe has been full of all kinds of force users for a long long time. Most coming without any kind of backstory or even any kind of exploration into their family background or lineage. Add to that the fact that Jedi seem to not produce offspring themselves (Padme even thinks they are not allowed to even love) and so the only way new Jedi are recruited is by applying for training or being discovered on an obscure planet etc etc.
In fact, within the PT and OT, Luke and Leia are the only force sensitive people we see that have their lineage as an explanation.
Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Palpatine, Count Dooku are never given backstories that explore their lineage and there are tons of other characters kicking about that are in the same spot.
I don't get how Rian Johnson invented the idea that Rey is special in this regard?
Wasn't Anakin a nobody also? It's hinted that Darth Plageius or Darth Sidious may have used some dark side power to create him but for sure he wasn't some kid with famous force using parents.
It's fuckin weird that someone can display such total lack of knowledge while also trying to act like they are an expert on the subject.
Spoilers obviously: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/cu...-of-skywalker-spoilers-episode-9-reys-parents
"That’s one of the reasons I was so affected back in 2017 when Rey, the hero of the latest Star Wars trilogy, discovered in The Last Jedi that her parents were just junk traders. In director Rian Johnson’s vision of the character’s origin — and his vision of the Star Wars saga as a whole — the Force isn’t linked to a lineage of particular characters. Anyone could have it."
It's the fact that TLJ was raised up on the basis of this kind of fundamental misunderstanding that makes me just not trust media opinions on movies like this at all.
The prequel trilogy has so many force users and Jedi running around in them it's incredible. Expand that out into novels and videogames etc and the Star Wars universe has been full of all kinds of force users for a long long time. Most coming without any kind of backstory or even any kind of exploration into their family background or lineage. Add to that the fact that Jedi seem to not produce offspring themselves (Padme even thinks they are not allowed to even love) and so the only way new Jedi are recruited is by applying for training or being discovered on an obscure planet etc etc.
In fact, within the PT and OT, Luke and Leia are the only force sensitive people we see that have their lineage as an explanation.
Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Palpatine, Count Dooku are never given backstories that explore their lineage and there are tons of other characters kicking about that are in the same spot.
I don't get how Rian Johnson invented the idea that Rey is special in this regard?
Wasn't Anakin a nobody also? It's hinted that Darth Plageius or Darth Sidious may have used some dark side power to create him but for sure he wasn't some kid with famous force using parents.
It's fuckin weird that someone can display such total lack of knowledge while also trying to act like they are an expert on the subject.
hooijdonk17
Member
Until George Lucas came up with the midi-chlorian shit the Force was "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." It was in no way a lineage thing and force sensitivity was just how in touch a certain person was with this phenomenon. I do not expect the critics to understand the nuances of Star Wars, but watching A New Hope is sort of a reasonable expectation from a critic talking about a Star Wars movie. Most of the things people thought Rian Johnson 'added' to the saga were either nonsense, or nothing new.
hooijdonk17
Member
What really amazes me is that this has the same score as Solo? Solo is both a better movie and a better Star Wars story than this by an order of magnitude.. Amazing, really.Very nice ...
65% gave it 7 or+, gotta love the 9% who gave it 1% though
The hatred is strong in this fanbase.
Malakhov
Banned
Ill have to see it for myself. I enjoyed solo, it was a good popcorn flick but I wasnt amazed by it either.
Starfield
Member
It's not as bad as you think it is if you watch the whole scene. I'd say this and the other scene we saw from fortnite at the only "out of place" or over the top comedy scenes in this movie. The rest of the humor actually works quite good and cp3po has some good linesIs the "They fly now?" still in the movie? How does the audience react to it?
Southern Gentleman
Member
I'm going to go ahead and press X to doubt this movie can be so good with the plot described on Wikipedia.
I'm thinking this trilogy was a dumpster fire even if Ep IX is somehow decent.
Roundhead ruined everything.
And Kathleen helped him.
I'm thinking this trilogy was a dumpster fire even if Ep IX is somehow decent.
Roundhead ruined everything.
And Kathleen helped him.
Paltheos
Member
The problem with Rey isn't that she's force-sensitive. That's fine. The problem is that she's capable at using the Force for no reason at all. In ANH, Luke can do basic shit at best until the end of the movie, the climax, where he learns allot about himself, the force, etc. and is able to pull off a spectacular feat. His growth as a character is directly tied to that moment and he's able to do something which shouldn't normally have been possible. Other than that though, aside from learning a little between films apparently, Luke only really shows the full set of skills one would expect from a Jedi after training.
On the other hand, Rey runs around in these movies doing advanced Jedi shit like it ain't no thang. She's clearly not ultra-capable (she struggles in her fight with Kylo Ren), but the difference in skill, relatively at these points in the movies between her and Luke, is obvious. The end result in these kinds of situations in movies is that you either diminish parts of the previous films or, as I think happened here, you present an implausible situation. Rey shouldn't be so strong. It's nonsense.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
anti-TLJ confirmed
NeoGiffer
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Stiflers Mom
Banned
Just watched it and came home.. I went into this movie expecting to hate it, after the sad shit hole that was TLJ.
But...
I LOVED IT.. IT'S DAMN AWESOME!
This movie gave so much love an respect to the fans, and a nice sendoff to the old characters.
It's an incredible stupid movie, and it's much too fast paced in the beginning, but it has tons of heart, and it's earnest about being stupid.
While TLJ was a pretentious pile of bullshit that thought it was clever while being as stupid as this movie, just for the sake of being direspectful to the fandom and all the Star Wars movies that came before it. And accomplishing nothing.
Really, if you can manage to shut off your brain for a while, this is really it..
As a life long Star Wars fan who has seen the OG movies in Cinema when they released, I give this a 5/5 score.
It gave me the closure I needed, and which I thought wouldn't be possible after TLJ.
Now fight me, I don't give a shit.
(and for those "oh, it's so woke because Rey is so OP"-people here: Kylo beats the shit out of Rey on the Death Star remains. So shut the fuck up.)
But...
I LOVED IT.. IT'S DAMN AWESOME!
This movie gave so much love an respect to the fans, and a nice sendoff to the old characters.
It's an incredible stupid movie, and it's much too fast paced in the beginning, but it has tons of heart, and it's earnest about being stupid.
While TLJ was a pretentious pile of bullshit that thought it was clever while being as stupid as this movie, just for the sake of being direspectful to the fandom and all the Star Wars movies that came before it. And accomplishing nothing.
Really, if you can manage to shut off your brain for a while, this is really it..
As a life long Star Wars fan who has seen the OG movies in Cinema when they released, I give this a 5/5 score.
It gave me the closure I needed, and which I thought wouldn't be possible after TLJ.
Now fight me, I don't give a shit.
(and for those "oh, it's so woke because Rey is so OP"-people here: Kylo beats the shit out of Rey on the Death Star remains. So shut the fuck up.)
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
this right here. into my veins.
iconmaster
Banned
Hmm, you're persuading me to go see it.
GymWolf
Member
You also love to fuck that finch guy, not really the most trust worthy person in this forum...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
First Star Wars film I was going to pass on in the theaters initially. Maybe was going to wait until the turn of the year if I had time, but now I am probably going to go some time next week!
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Revolutionary
Member
I applaud JJ for trying to fix the wrongs of TLJ but the damage is too far gone and the movie suffers as a result.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I think people are really overstating the cramming two movies in the one idea. Avengers Endgame felt the same way but for some reason got a total pass it also arguably did certain things with certain characters that's more sacrilegious than things The l
Last Jedi did and it sometimes literally used a span of time you don't see to have the character change. Maybe I'm the crazy one and Star Wars just gets scrutinized more because it's supposed to be better but to me they're both space operas and one of them is the highest grossing film ever made. Like I'm trying to imagine someone seeing the plot leaks for Endgame prior to it having released would they sound better out of context than what we got here? Is the fanservice any less on the nose in that film? Is the sjw pandering any last with that scene with all the women coming together or the much bigger role given to a gay character? Was the ending for Captain America not a bigger misunderstanding of that character than anything Rian Johnson did with Luke?
Last Jedi did and it sometimes literally used a span of time you don't see to have the character change. Maybe I'm the crazy one and Star Wars just gets scrutinized more because it's supposed to be better but to me they're both space operas and one of them is the highest grossing film ever made. Like I'm trying to imagine someone seeing the plot leaks for Endgame prior to it having released would they sound better out of context than what we got here? Is the fanservice any less on the nose in that film? Is the sjw pandering any last with that scene with all the women coming together or the much bigger role given to a gay character? Was the ending for Captain America not a bigger misunderstanding of that character than anything Rian Johnson did with Luke?
Malakhov
Banned
I get what you're saying but to me it felt like there was way too many things going in the movie, I would of liked a slower pace with a little bit more development but hey, it didn't make me hate the movie, I still enjoyed it
kunonabi
Member
Endgame felt more like no movie than two movies to me but yeah, Endgame completely botched almost every character. I was already dulled by Disney's BS by the time TLJ came out but Endgame has pretty much killed the MCU for me. I can't even go back and watch the old movies. At least with SW I can ignore the Disney stuff and just enjoy the original six films.
Fuz
Banned
And Joe is WAAAAY too much easy to please, usually.
I mean, he liked VII.
They fucked up bad.
Ulysses 31
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Starfield
Member
You can't really compare those two franchises with each other even when MCU is bigger than SW right Now. Star Wars is still the bigger franchise which influenced pop culture since over 40 years already.
Romulus
Member
Eh, it wasn't the barn burner I expected, but it's still bad. They really tried to cram 2 movies into one and that hurt everything. Felt very rushed.
Of the recent trilogy:
TFA>>>TROS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TLJ
Overall a bad trilogy with some good moments. Forgettable, and I will never watch it again. My best hope is I'll forget it soon. I was not very a big fan of the prequels, but somehow those flicks make the new movies feel like legendary installments.
In terms of scoring the trilogies separate
Prequels 6/10
Originals 9/10
Modern 3/10
Some of what hurts the prequels now is the awful CGI, which doesnt hold up to even the worst props.
Of the recent trilogy:
TFA>>>TROS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TLJ
Overall a bad trilogy with some good moments. Forgettable, and I will never watch it again. My best hope is I'll forget it soon. I was not very a big fan of the prequels, but somehow those flicks make the new movies feel like legendary installments.
In terms of scoring the trilogies separate
Prequels 6/10
Originals 9/10
Modern 3/10
Some of what hurts the prequels now is the awful CGI, which doesnt hold up to even the worst props.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Update, holding steady. Ideologue critics am cry.
zeorhymer
Member
I wasn't expecting that high of an audience score tbh. I guess JJ "Explosion" Abrams delivered the goods.Update, holding steady. Ideologue critics am cry.
Starfield
Member
People are angry about TLJ. They will give this one a much higher score just for the purpose of sending a message to disney
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If anyone knows this channel, been following him since he had 90K followers. This guy is far from shill and had his share of copyright strikes he had to work out with Disney over his content and Vader fan film.
***CONTAINS SPOILERS***
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Musky_Cheese
Banned
I watched this earlier and decided I will go see it. He runs a good channel btw.
Captain Zyrain
Member
Update, holding steady. Ideologue critics am cry.
I foresee this holding up over time. "THE PEOPLE" will enjoy this, it's fun, it's entertaining, and you walk out happy. That will resonate with people enough to leave a good impression.
I don't THINK there will be nearly as much online discourse from TROS as there was TLJ, because there just isn't a ton of things that are lightning rods. But overall, people will just remember TROS as a good/fun Star Wars movie, which I think is the best case scenario for the end of the ST.
Radical Dreamer
Member
Saw it 2 hours ago. And to be honest for me it wasn't THAT SUPER BAD what people make it out to be, but there's nothing extraordinary about it either. Pacing is way too fast. Everything just happens at once, 0 room for scenes to breathe a little. Rey being so overpowered as fuck is just ridiculous (scene with force pulling that ship was awkward as hell imo + those circus jumps). I've started to like Poe in this movie? Him and Ren/Kylo were for me two of the better characters in this (from the start of the trilogy I've liked Kylo Ren, you can spare me rants about him being a hurr durr murderer and rest of this bullshit lol).
Couldn't care less about Finn. Fights were boring as hell. Knights of Ren wasted.
yeah overall I don't see myself ever watching this again lmao
oh and fucking jar jar abrams and his lens flares - I get that it's his shtick but he uses them so much it became infuriating at one point
(I hoped Ben would survive at the end but whatever). Leia dying felt way too sudden.
yeah overall I don't see myself ever watching this again lmao
oh and fucking jar jar abrams and his lens flares - I get that it's his shtick but he uses them so much it became infuriating at one point
Malakhov
Banned
I thought Rey had to be OP as fuck to give any credibility whatsoever to whom she is
Xisiqomelir
Member
The New Yorker shit on it
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I just saw it. OMG! It was good! I wasn't sure what to expect... But man... The theater was packed and there was applause at certain points. The jokes landed... The action was frenetic... It hit the highs and lows perfectly!
I was actually surprised at how much applause there was in the audience I'm with. I'm still sitting here through the credits.
Man... I'm.taken aback!
I was actually surprised at how much applause there was in the audience I'm with. I'm still sitting here through the credits.
Man... I'm.taken aback!
Musky_Cheese
Banned
I’ve heard it described as “as good as it could be, following what was a very poor movie in TLJ”.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It was so much better than TLJ! FRAK TLJ!
This was better than TFA and Solo! Can't wait til the spoiler thread gets made!
This movie will make you forget about TLJ!
Explosive Zombie
Banned
What? The other problem with what you're saying besides the weird contradiction is that MCU is based on comics that date back before Star Wars even existed and the Sequel Trilogy is based on nothing... its sequels. Endgame is literally based on a comic it totally butchers but people are somehow fine with it.
Captain Zyrain
Member
The leaks thread is the defacto spoiler OT at the moment, jump in!
Stiflers Mom
Banned
After I had some time to think about it, I still have to say that this was an amazing movie.
It's really crazy that JJ could pull this off.
Biggest turnaround for a movie for me ever. I went into cinema prepared to hate it (have been reading the leaks before, watched those Doomcock and Critical Drinker vids, etc), but JJ made this mess work.
What a nice send off for these characters.
It's really crazy that JJ could pull this off.
Biggest turnaround for a movie for me ever. I went into cinema prepared to hate it (have been reading the leaks before, watched those Doomcock and Critical Drinker vids, etc), but JJ made this mess work.
What a nice send off for these characters.