Werewolf Jones
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Can we get Bobby Roberts back on this board please so I can read an endless wave of text with buzzwords in italics to defend this mess of a movie?
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Rise of Skywalker premiere press impressions are streaming in
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DeepEnigma
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LaughingStock
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DeepEnigma
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There's even an orange man bad line.
It’s not just that Rise of Skywalker undoes Last Jedi’s “it’s not your franchise anymore” metaphors aimed at a generation that grew up loving Star Wars and then allowed two Palpatine-ish leaders (W. Bush and Trump) to come into power for a generic “don’t worry, Star Wars is still the best!” fan bait.
Hinedorf
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Boy is there some epic shitpiling on this movie. As I stated before I know I'll end up loving it as I just can't get enough Star Wars content into my veins, seeing it tomorrow at 5pm PST by myself because my wife isn't feeling well, haven't gone to a movie by myself since I was in grade school and would ride my bike to matinees
Envision a middle aged male sitting alone weeping into his jacket.
Envision a middle aged male sitting alone weeping into his jacket.
royox
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#Phonepunk#
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the irony has been so insane. people that insist "you just want the same thing over and over" trashing this movie, while praising the movie that took a NEW VILLAIN named Snoke and killed him. they said this new villain was pointless, a waste of time. THEY DID, not me. i wanted something new. i wanted Snoke to be a new villain, with a new backstory, maybe introducing an all new threat.
the scolding of critics is hilarious tho, these self important piss babies just can't handle a movie that doesn't flatter their intelligence and makes them feel superior to the rest of us. now they are unleashing toxic hate, doing the very thing they accuse fans of doing. it's classic projection. here are grown adults upset their movie didn't work out the way they wanted it to. perhaps they forget that
the scolding of critics is hilarious tho, these self important piss babies just can't handle a movie that doesn't flatter their intelligence and makes them feel superior to the rest of us. now they are unleashing toxic hate, doing the very thing they accuse fans of doing. it's classic projection. here are grown adults upset their movie didn't work out the way they wanted it to. perhaps they forget that
Explosive Zombie
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Man, I gotta say the TLJ haters are pretty confused in this thread. Many want to celebrate a seeming victory with the critics being divided on this but others are like "wait guys... didn't we just go 2 years saying the critics are wrong, even sometimes so far as to claim they're paid by Disney, conspiring or only praising it because it pushes their SJW agenda?" Meanwhile I enjoyed TFA and TLJ and really want to see this one, because my perception of critics died when BvS came out.
iconmaster
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Some of us just want to watch the franchise burn.
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Deleted member 17706
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I must have missed a lot of the debate, because I didn't see a lot of people accusing critics of being outright shills. It was more just pointing out that a lot of critics want to be viewed as smart or contrarian and they naturally latched onto a film that aims to subvert expectations and shit on what they had begun to see as a series that needed to grow up or something. A lot of critics seemed to love TLJ solely for the fact that it was a big middle finger to the Star Wars fanbase that they had grown to resent.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Whatever reasons people had the point was the critics were wrong.
Rolling_Start
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Oh god, I'd forgotten that true scale of the tragedy that was Into Darkness. About half way through watching it I decided to get blind drunk, and that spoiler gave me a terrible flashback.
Wrath of Khan is a masterpiece and I watch it every few years. Only The Undiscovered Country and perhaps First Contact come close. The battle over Camp Khitomer still gets me nearly as excited as it did in the cinema nearly 20 years ago. Maximum whiz bang flashing lights camera zoom lens flare is never as good as understated with massive punch at key moments.
Also: TLJ was fucking terrible on many many levels in many many ways. Just wanted to add something on topic!
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Deleted member 17706
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Huh, I must have missed that sentiment. Personally, I disagree that reviews can be "wrong" in any objective sense. Disconnected from the general public? Perhaps, but in the end, it's just people's opinions.
If people like something because it's "challenging fans" or shitting on their expectations, then that's their opinion to have and no one can take that from them. I won't agree with them, but saying critics are "wrong" is an odd thing to do.
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So nothing.
#Phonepunk#
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the thing is, the critics themselves are setting up those expectations. you always hear "people wanted Luke to just X, Y, and Z" and it's like, no, people didn't, YOU did, and you're trying to project it on some vague "toxic fan"". this is one of the problems i have with TLJ, it is aimed at this phantom "fan", the strawman you create when you say "People just want trash". it's kind of an elitist position to start from, based on considering the common movie goer to be idiots. no doubt Rian thinks this way, and probably most reviewers/Twitter users as well.
that said, just subverting expectations doesn't earn you anything. you can say the Holiday Special "challenged fans" by having them sit through a 5 minute long fake cooking show led by a flailing & unfunny Harvey Korman in drag. it isn't inherently an interesting or new thing in itself. the academic backings of postmodernism/structuralism are 50+ years old at this point. Rian doing slight twists on films that are 4 decades old isn't really blowing minds so much as letting people down.
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StreetsofBeige
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I'm not big into space movies. And I typically hate Star Trek as I think it is corny. But Wrath of Khan was awesome. Looking back, man were those movie budgets low. lol. The Star Trek reboot a few years back about Khan again was good too.
To me, no space movie beats Aliens though.
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iconmaster
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This one's tough, guys
DeepEnigma
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I know your MO. Stop pretending ignorance.
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KingGhidorah
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Reviews are bombing everywhere....oh boi!!
Review: ‘Rise Of Skywalker’ Is The Worst ‘Star Wars’ Movie Ever
"Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker" is a bad movie and a miserable finale that serves no purpose other than to reassure fans of the original "Star Wars" that they are still the "chosen ones" of the pop culture galaxy.www.forbes.com
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Let the soy flow through you!
Wow. That is one salty review.
I kind of expected the worship of RJ would ultimately lead to this kind of backlash against JJ.
It's amazing to see the same people who were dismissing the idea that Luke was mishandled in TLJ now absolutely pissing their pants because Rose Tico is hardly in the new one.
Toxic fans are mad because RJ didn't give them what the wanted! Wait, what? JJ wrote Rose out of the story? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee...
It will be interesting to see how many will now contradict their own defences of TLJ now.
Sounds like this guy is having a tantrum because he didn't get the movie he wanted. Such an entitled man baby.
Isnt the usual defence that the originals were not recieved well back in the day?
I absolutely love that they have tied themselves in knots and now have no choice but to expose themselves as massive hypocrites.
NickFire
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And your point is?
Don't forget - people who disagreed with the critical reception of TLJ saw the movie (flaming turd, whatever). They didn't disagree with the critical acclaim because of the bias of the critics. They disagreed because the movie sucked. Discussing why it sucked, who made the decisions to make it suck, etc., only flowed from the fact (opinion I suppose) that the movie sucked. So if the same people who raved about TLJ and its "themes" now shit on the new movie, its perfectly logical for life long fans to assume this movie is actually good and sticking to fan service instead of promoting the same agenda that ruined the last movie. Star Wars fans don't demand (by and large) much more than what made them fans in the first place. Fan service, light sabers, force powers, and dog fights in space = potentially good movie.
Let's not beat around the bush. As 2019 comes to an end, normal people can tell a lot about something based on certain people hating it. It is what it is. No need to pretend otherwise.
I know what soy is and I still don't know what it got to do with RoS.
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BlackOlivesMatter
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Ok, tumor.
BlackOlivesMatter
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Can I punish Daisey Ridley privately?This one's tough, guys
KingGhidorah
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OK I’ confused, I’m a hardcore anti SJW
Is this movie woke or not???
Is this movie woke or not???
Mate, people are just trying to have fun on the thread.
Its about a daft movie for fucksakes.
Asking people to explain their jokes etc just makes you look like a complete twat.
DeepEnigma
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Seems some of the most ardent TLJ fans who called everyone alt-right and manbabies are salty about this one, so...
I'd say its no more or less woke than TFA and TLJ.
Just that some people really went all in on the "only toxic fans and alt-right Nazis hated TLJ" and now they have to follow through when the new movie basically sends the message that even JJ and Lucasfilm seemed to not like TLJs ideas either.
#Phonepunk#
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is it as woke as the movie where the black guy who previously fought THE MAIN VILLAIN (in Rian's world) is made a laughable coward?
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The thing is though that it's entirely possible that JJ managed to walk back TLJ (thus enraging the critics who supported that movie) and still make a shite movie (thus allowing people to fully dunk on the sequel trilogy).
Its a win win for TLJ haters as far as I can see. They get a shitty SW movie to completely destroy and the get to laugh at critics throwing a hissy fit because JJ subverted their expectations.
KingGhidorah
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Good!! Good!!
Seems like SW franchise destruction is complete, and it all happens under Kathleen Kennedy’s watch!!!
Seems like SW franchise destruction is complete, and it all happens under Kathleen Kennedy’s watch!!!
Stilton Disco
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Considering 'woke' is just the far left word for hateful bigotry, yes.
He's still a disgusting cis/het male after all, and worse, lower class, the fucking scum.
Captain Zyrain
Member
Honestly, everything everyone who is "hating" on this movie is saying... is just making me think I will like it more.
I wonder if this will end up with the inverse metacritic of TLJ, low critic scores, but high audience approval.
I wonder if this will end up with the inverse metacritic of TLJ, low critic scores, but high audience approval.
Stilton Disco
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Has everyone saying this managed to avoid the fact that the entire plot has leaked already? And that all the shit that was rumoured has been confirmed with fucking video filmed in the theatres?
Just because TLJ fans are spitting teeth at it not being the kind of trash they like to see get set aflame, doesn't mean it's not a complete dumpster fire.
I think it will be low on both fronts.
The writing was on the wall for JJ after TLJ. He was never going to save this mess and now he is stuck between people mad at Disney, and hoping the franchise will continue to fail, and people who are wanting him to double down on TLJ.
I think they managed to get the "Fandom Menace" ridicule and criticism out of the way early because of the leaks etc. A lot of that side of the Internet has kind of run out of steam now and people are just waiting for the YouTube videos.
The TLJ defenders rage is new though. I would never have predicted that the people whining for years about entitled fans would suddenly turn into that very thing once they realised that JJ backtracked on TLJ.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
MFW at Star Wars Rebels. Is it really that good?Lowest rated Disney Star Wars release by a significant margin.
Romulus
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It's amazing. Disney was banking on these characters to help relaunch the franchise.
But after this debacle, it looks like this unlikely pair are the ones who will save Star Wars.
And that's considering there's almost no story to the Mandalorian. A dude making some coin with his pet. No story is better than a convoluted mess though.
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Deleted member 17706
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Seriously. I wonder if Rian initially tried to put him in a dress. Boyega got such a raw deal. I hope the Finn character gets to do something meaningful in ROS.
Iced Arcade
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critics praised TLJ, fans thought it blew... critics shit on this one surely means its great. can't wait.
StreetsofBeige
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Anyone know what the point of Poe is?It's amazing. Disney was banking on these characters to help relaunch the franchise.
But after this debacle, it looks like this unlikely pair are the ones who will save Star Wars.
He's some killer pilot that shows up here and there in the movies when an X-wing fighter scene is needed. Then he disappears.
(I haven't seen the latest film yet, so maybe his part in way bigger now)
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#Phonepunk#
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apparently he was meant to die at the start of TFA, but the actor convinced JJ to keep him alive. so he was around but he didn't have anything to do. then Rian was unable to write a decent buddy story with him and Finn, so he pushed him off on Holdo and Finn off on Rose, cos she was an easier character to write, cos she was based on a girl he had a crush on in high school.
no idea about this movie.
it's almost like if you pull at any thread related to the ST the answer you find at the end is "they didn't plan this shit out"
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Romulus
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What's the point of any of those fucking characters? C3P0 and Chewy are there to remind us that this supposed to be star wars.
Explosive Zombie
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The thing is though that it's entirely possible that JJ managed to walk back TLJ (thus enraging the critics who supported that movie) and still make a shite movie (thus allowing people to fully dunk on the sequel trilogy).
Its a win win for TLJ haters as far as I can see. They get a shitty SW movie to completely destroy and the get to laugh at critics throwing a hissy fit because JJ subverted their expectations.
you hint at a hidden truth here, these people enjoy complaining more than they enjoy watching a good movie
BlackOlivesMatter
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There is a new character named General Pryde, so you tell me.... I'm surprised Rey doesn't have a rainbow beamed lightsaber in the movie.
Pumpkin Seeds
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folks
it's entirely possible for this movie to retcon TLJ and anger the out of touch critics while still being a mess of a movie because it has to do damage control on heavy while also trying to wrap up a trilogy that never went anywhere to begin with
it's entirely possible for this movie to retcon TLJ and anger the out of touch critics while still being a mess of a movie because it has to do damage control on heavy while also trying to wrap up a trilogy that never went anywhere to begin with
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I dunno but I do wonder what Isaac thinks of this new trilogy compared to his role before he got fired from it in the Dante's Inferno video game....
Fun fact: he said after getting fired by EA that it was a shitty game anyhow.
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DeepEnigma
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Wait, please don't tell me that was the 2 seconds of LGBT someone happily tweeted about like some sort of self serving victory?