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[tommib]

They usually slowly reach 1 million plus on their main games. For example: they shipped/sold digitally 7 million units of the Nioh games by 2022, 3.5 million of Hyrule Agent of Calamity by 2021 and 3 million of One Piece Musou 4 by 2023.

However, Wo Long sold 1 million units (even though it also launched on gamepass) quite fast for a KT game:

KOEI TECMO’S WO LONG: FALLEN DYNASTY TOTAL USERS EXCEEDS 3.8 MILLION AND SELLS OVER 1 MILLION UNITS WORLDWIDE! - KOEI TECMO EUROPE

Today, KOEI TECMO Europe and developer Team NINJA are proud to announce that their dark Three Kingdoms action RPG, Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty, has achieved sales of over 1 million units worldwide! Total sales are a combination of both physical and digital units across Xbox Series X|S, Xbox One...

www.koeitecmoeurope.com

I guess Rise of The Ronin is surpassing Wo Long and will probably reach or surpass both Nioh games combined according to their expectations.

Watch it because according to our expert Ronin bombed:

Eager to pull the trigger, harder to put the gun back in the glove compartment.

 

[CosmicComet]

That's really surprising.

I gave the game up just because I found it so uninteresting.

Probably because of the late time period taking away any sense of mysticism.

 

[YukiOnna]

Great game, it's the first time team ninja attempted something like this (I think?) and probably a good learning experience for them considering they implied they're investing more into this. I'm still slowly going through it and enjoying my time, but the gameplay and worldview is right up my alley. Performance is definitely going to be an issue for people, but I don't get it on issues with the visuals. Engine is definitely showing it's age though

Anyways, I hope it does well for Koei.

 

[Boss Mog]

I didn't get it but I might when it's cheap, which is more than I can say about Assassin's Creed Shadows, which I wouldn't even add to my PS+ collection for free.

 

[Punished Miku]

Watch it because according to our expert Ronin bombed:

Eager to pull the trigger, harder to put the gun back in the glove compartment.

I'm not a sales expert at all. The post you're highlighting shows me saying I have no idea what Stella Blade is going to sell. I avoid most sales threads and don't follow it like some of the experts on here. I honestly did think RotR didn't sell that well. This is the first I've heard of it doing this well. Pretty easy for me to just read new info and update my opinion. Maybe we'll get actual numbers at their next investor report.

 

[NeverYouMind]

If they drop that bad boy on Steam, they can make it sell even better. (I have all the other Team Ninja games there too.)

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm not a sales expert at all. The post you're highlighting shows me saying I have no idea what Stella Blade is going to sell. I avoid most sales threads and don't follow it like some of the experts on here. I honestly did think RotR didn't sell that well. This is the first I've heard of it doing this well. Pretty easy for me to just read new info and update my opinion. Maybe we'll get actual numbers at their next investor report.

What's with that tag lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

What's with that tag lol

I just searched,

Will Microsoft follow Sony and release Halo on PS5 and Switch with the 'tentpole' theory

This has been tossed around for ages (releasing Halo on a Nintendo platform the most really), but with sony saying the following: +"Hermen Hulst and Hideaki Nishino, who will be the new joint CEOs of SIE starting on June 1, discussed this strategy during a PlayStation business briefing on...

www.neogaf.com

He really wrote this.

 

[nial]

What's with that tag lol

I just searched,

Will Microsoft follow Sony and release Halo on PS5 and Switch with the 'tentpole' theory

This has been tossed around for ages (releasing Halo on a Nintendo platform the most really), but with sony saying the following: +"Hermen Hulst and Hideaki Nishino, who will be the new joint CEOs of SIE starting on June 1, discussed this strategy during a PlayStation business briefing on...

www.neogaf.com

He really wrote this.

Based mod being based.

 

[Punished Miku]

What's with that tag lol

I made too many jokes and the mods gave me the back of their hand. It was a funny thread.

Anyone who pays $70 in COD is basically allowing others to pay nothing

Not at all. I pay once and I have ownership/license to play as I feel like playing. Paying a sub for the game means its gone as soon as you unsub. I know what i’d rather do.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Aion002]

Watch it because according to our expert Ronin bombed:

Eager to pull the trigger, harder to put the gun back in the glove compartment.

He definitely jumped the gun.


KT is the opposite of Square-Enix, they don't create crazy expectations and they don't spend more than what they need on making games.

Even if Rise of The Ronin wasn't a success, it would definitely not bomb, because the Nioh and Wo Long fans would buy enough copies to make a profit.

Koei Tecmo always play safe, even when the shit hit the fan they know what to do:

Koei Tecmo makes up for losses in video game sales with skillful stock investments - AUTOMATON WEST

Koei Tecmo has reported a decrease in video game-related profits in fiscal year 2023, but an unexpected growth coming from investments.

automaton-media.com

Now combining all that with Sony marketing, no way it would bomb.

 

[Bry0]

The problem with this game is it dragged on a bit too long and by the end of it the cast of characters was way, way too big. Does Nioh have this problem too?

No, nioh is a lot more soulsy and isn’t trying to tell a grand story like this game.

 

[Black_Stride]

I think that if we manage to get the below at 4K, locked 60 and no traversal stutter, we’re looking at very fine looking game:

Damn just realized being a Koei-Tecmo game.....and a Team Ninja game at that the PC version is likely not even going to have anything to help the textures out.

 

[FoxMcChief]

That sucks. Seems like other games from them deserved better.

 

[Spitfire098]

On a single platform is crazy.

 

[mayham2199]

On a single platform is crazy.

It's impossible according to some.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So, this game does open world right?

I need to pick it up.

 

[GymWolf]

So, this game does open world right?

I need to pick it up.

It's like the ac games but with much better combat, plot and characters.

It's not a zelda\elden ring type of open world.

 

[Life Diff]

Damn just realized being a Koei-Tecmo game.....and a Team Ninja game at that the PC version is likely not even going to have anything to help the textures out.

If anything it would stutter your monitor in to oblivion.

 

[Kamina]

The game was done dirty in the reviews.
It was quite good in my opinion.

 

[GymWolf]

The game was done dirty in the reviews.
It was quite good in my opinion.

7,6 is a decent score but people minds are warped nowadays so a 7,5 sound super bad.

if 5 is mediocre, 6 is decent and 7 is good, 7,5 is more than good in my book.

Also it doesn't help that shit like starfield or ac valhalla gets 8 or more...

 

[Variahunter]

I dropped it close to finishing the first city but I'm waiting for the PC release to play it again. This game will truly shine if they implement better post processing, LOD, frame rate and resolution.

 

[Kokoloko85]

The guy in the top comment probably hasnt played it lol

 

[mayham2199]

7,6 is a decent score but people minds are warped nowadays so a 7,5 sound super bad.

if 5 is mediocre, 6 is decent and 7 is good, 7,5 is more than good in my book.

Also it doesn't help that shit like starfield or ac valhalla gets 8 or more...

Agreed anything 7 and up is something I consider good. You also have to take into account that scores wont line up exactly with yours. Thief 2014 was a great game if played in all stealth mode which I did and it got under a 7. To me the game was an 8 or higher. Even had bosses that I had to beat using stealth only.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Good for them if true. Game is decent and the combat is great, deserved a better score.

I wonder what the total sale number is though? Biggest ever means more than Ninja Gaiden, DoA, Nioh etc.…Impressive if true. All within 3-4 months on 1 console? Cant be right?

 

[GymWolf]

Agreed anything 7 and up is something I consider good. You also have to take into account that scores wont line up exactly with yours. Thief 2014 was a great game if played in all stealth mode which I did and it got under a 7. To me the game was an 8 or higher. Even had bosses that I had to beat using stealth only.

I'm extremely strict with scores so i never align with almost anyone

But yeah i have pity for people who can't enjoy 7\10 games.

 

[Clear]

The nice thing about Team Ninja is that its a safe bet they'll have another game out around Feb-March next year. Probably will get announced end of summer.

 

[mckmas8808]

To which date? Last week?

All time? I find that very hard to believe.

Why would he lie?

 

[Killer8]

They should do another marketing push now that Assassins Creed Shadows has been revealed and looks underwhelming.

Ronin is not a looker and the engine is struggling with the open world, but it more than makes up for it with its gameplay.

Out of all the samurai games releasing it's come out on top as the one with the best combat - which is exactly what you want in your samurai game, not just pretty virtual tourism.

 

[clarky]

Why would he lie?

Yeah i looked into it.

It wasn't that i didn't believe it sold that much, more so that Nioh, Gadien, DOA etc sold less. Turns out they did which was very surprising.

 

[March Climber]

Semi-hot take: Nearly all of Tecmo Koei’s games have a level of ugliness to them, but it doesn’t matter because they consistently make fun 8/10 content.

 

[clarky]

Semi-hot take: Nearly all of Tecmo Koei’s games have a level of ugliness to them, but it doesn’t matter because they consistently make fun 8/10 content.

Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball says hi.

 

[Spyxos]

Surprised that it sold so well, after i saw some more gameplay i was completely out.

 

[Punished Miku]

Semi-hot take: Nearly all of Tecmo Koei’s games have a level of ugliness to them, but it doesn’t matter because they consistently make fun 8/10 content.

That's definitely the case with Stranger in Paradise. Game was great though. They haven't had a truly great visual game since Ninja Gaiden Black / DOA 4. Rise of the Ronin has more detailed buildings than you'd expect though. Clearly spent a lot of time on it, in their AA style.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball says hi.

It's why he said "nearly," this is definitely an exception to their normal action game designs.

They used to be a graphics tech pusher back in the day.

 

[Elios83]

The game was done dirty in the reviews.
It was quite good in my opinion.

Yup fantastic game with great combat system, compelling story, characters and settings. I was totally hooked for a month playing it.
It's great that it's selling really well for Tecmo/Koei, a sequel where they can iron out the weak points is definetly going to happen

Reviews are a joke these days. It's just a showcase of double standards, fansites handing fake 10/10 reviews, shills/ambassadors, people who review the hype and the sentiment they read online.
It doesn't matter in the end real gamers will always have the final word.

 

[clarky]

It's why he said "nearly," this is definitely an exception to their normal action game designs.

They used to be a graphics tech pusher back in the day.

Aye Ninja Gaiden was awesome, still is tbf.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Reviews are a joke these days. It's just a showcase of double standards, fansites handing fake 10/10 reviews, shills/ambassadors, people who review the hype and the sentiment they read online.
It doesn't matter in the end real gamers will always have the final word.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah i looked into it.

It wasn't that i didn't believe it sold that much, more so that Nioh, Gadien, DOA etc sold less. Turns out they did which was very surprising.

So what do we think it sold then, going by this information? 2 million? 3 million?

 

[clarky]

So what do we think it sold then, going by this information? 2 million? 3 million?

Looks to be around that. Nearer to 3 i'd say. I think I had Gaidien and Nioh at around 1-2 million after a quick google before.

Bodes well for a sequel for those that enjoyed it, like i said i've yet to get round to it.

 

[rhodesianshepard]

The nice thing about Team Ninja is that its a safe bet they'll have another game out around Feb-March next year. Probably will get announced end of summer.

Yes and no. I enjoy their games a lot, but I would much rather they get longer development times, honestly. They would be viewed as one of the best studios in the industry if they did that, imo. And as much as I love ROTR, it seems like a missed opportunity of what the game could have been with an extra year of development time and a new game engine. Katana sucks ass, especially for open world games

 

[March Climber]

Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball says hi.

And this is why I said nearly all instead of all lol.

They haven't had a truly great visual game since Ninja Gaiden Black / DOA 4. Rise of the Ronin has more detailed buildings than you'd expect though. Clearly spent a lot of time on it, in their AA style.

Ever since the PS360 generation ended, I have put Tecmo Koei on their own separate ladder of graphical fidelity. So when comparing their games to themselves, RotR is their best looking game to date.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Games being exclusive does bring more attention to them. Plus this game has an easy mode so it's more accessible.
I toggle to easy mode before I get too frustrated. Just trying to enjoy it.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I dropped it close to finishing the first city but I'm waiting for the PC release to play it again. This game will truly shine if they implement better post processing, LOD, frame rate and resolution.

With Koei Tecmo PC ports I would not bet on it. It will probably take a month before a mod that can tweak internal graphics settings to run without hiccups is released. Many post processing effects are pretty much hardcoded.

 

[Elios83]

Yes and no. I enjoy their games a lot, but I would much rather they get longer development times, honestly. They would be viewed as one of the best studios in the industry if they did that, imo. And as much as I love ROTR, it seems like a missed opportunity of what the game could have been with an extra year of development time and a new game engine. Katana sucks ass, especially for open world games

They're a business and they're forced to make responsible decisions in first place. Switching engine, having to learn how to use it and develop specific tools within the new engine costs a lot.
They know that these games tend to sell in the 2-5m units range if things go well.
They can't budget the game as a mega production that will sell 10m lifetime sales because it won't happen and it would hurt the studio with losses especially if things go wrong.
That's why most japanese developers do not target cutting edge graphics in first place. Many of them are still stucked in a PS3.5 era. Even From Software with all the success they have enjoyed is still sticking to their old technically limited engine.

This doesn't mean they can't improve things, Rise of the Ronin is a huge step up compared to Nioh and it can look stunning thanks to the great artistic direction. They could pull a Kojima and ask Sony to support them with a new engine but I doubt it will happen, they will probably be happy with Xdev helping them to improve their own tools.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Well deserved. I am only a bit into it, but damn I am glad I picked it up. This is the real Japanese AC game.

 

[Melfice7]

Good. The game was better than i expected, even with the horrible graphics

 

[mckmas8808]

Good. The game was better than i expected, even with the horrible graphics

And it's on one device and it's only been out for less than 3 months. This is ONLY good news. If and when it comes out on PC and also sells more on PS5 this holiday season, there's reasons to believe it could end up selling 5 million units in the next 2 years.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

I really don't get it, you mean to tell me that Ninja Gaiden black and Ninja Gaiden 2, two of the best character action games of all time sold less after all these years compared to ROTR ? How the fook is that even possible ?

I don't know if I should be sad about NG underperforming or happy about ROTR's success...

 

[digital_ghost]

huh so you mean making games other than the 370th installment of Dynasty warriors will sell?