Do you just not realize that some of you are gloating over xbox owners not getting to play a B-Tier rpg when a much superior one will be available for us to play not that far in the future? I was just putting things in perspective for certain folk. Then again there is another thread where people are gloating about Xbox not getting a Far Cry 4 special edition game with content that is already available to them now so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
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Risen 3: Titan Lords - Enhanced Edition announced exclusively for PS4
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Do you just not realize that some of you are gloating over xbox owners not getting to play a B-Tier rpg when a much superior one will be available for us to play not that far in the future? I was just putting things in perspective for certain folk. Then again there is another thread where people are gloating about Xbox not getting a Far Cry 4 special edition game with content that is already available to them now so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
Corleth the Fey
Member
You're right - it's a shame that these games aren't on Xbox One and I'd be real upset at this annoucement instead of overjoyed if I didn't own a PS4 - but this ain't no Wii U situation.
Still it worries me a bit - it was the Xbox 360 that got Risen 1 exclusively last gen - why, because the publisher and developers saw it as either the easiest to port + most likely to be profitable version. It's not hard to infer from this that this European publisher at least now sees the PS4 in this position - for now at least.
I just had a look around, and couldn't see any up yet. Still it's only just been announced.
User 479360
Banned
It upsets me that it's not coming to Xbox One, to be honest. I much prefer playing third-party releases on that.
(I know it's considered inferior and whatnot, but don't care.)
Pathfinder
Member
And they'd be right. There are much more PS4's in EU than Xbox One's. Therefore, if I was a publisher of a small studio and I had limited resources available to release a game, I'd choose the console that is selling better.
That's literally what a trend is.
Pathfinder
Member
Two or three titles out of the entire year's catalog for both consoles does not constitute a trend, no matter how badly you want it to.
Only finished Risen 1.
The level design is interconnected in clever ways with plenty of vertical spatial thinking required to find secrets.
Learning new skills and the various sidequests are all integrated into a microcosm of a world that actually makes sense. The settlements and people have various ideological and economic motivations and relationships. You can take sides and betray them. Like Fallout New Vegas but MORE integrated with your character's "stat" progression. Also reminded me a lot of Quest for Glory. And like them and very few other RPGs (nothing from Bioware or Bethesda for example) it had a story and characters I actually cared about.
Engaging realtime combat, more fun to me than Zelda or Ys or Elder Scrolls games though not nearly as good as Dark Souls, cool spells with surprise alternate uses
The biggest problems are poorly modeled people & clothes and a terribly rushed/empty-feeling ending.
I've played a few hours of Risen 2 and 3 but have not been able to get into them in the same way. The only thing I can say for sure I don't like about them is the combat is much jankier and the level design is episodic rather than interconnected. I still plan on playing them through eventually for the plot and cool little areas to explore, and they still seem to do a better job than most RPGs out there of making each item and skill you get feel immersive and earned and meaningful.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
It's more than that already. Tropico 5 for one. And there are at least two more I remember seeing threads for. All smaller PC titles. The type of games 360 used to get exclusively last gen.
In other words...a trend.
Neuromancer
Member
It's legitimately a shame that this isn't coming out on Xbox One. It reminds me of the kind of game that, last gen, might have been 360 only. I'm lucky enough to be on the right side of the divide for most of this stuff but I certainly have sympathy for anyone who wants to play any given 3rd party game, but can't because they bought the wrong console.
Arcania The Complete Tale is this month, and The Legend of Kay Anniversary hits next month. Both smaller retail games. That's all I know for European games.
The main market for Eurojank is, unsurprisingly, Europe. More specifically, Germany, where Risen is huge. Makes perfect sense to skip the Bone. Small developers with mainly European or the Japanese target market will probably concentrate on PS4/PC(/PS3/Vita). Porting costs are too low for big publishers to do the same, though.
Don't know if I'll double-dip or not. I liked it, but it's definitely no Gothic 2.
Don't know if I'll double-dip or not. I liked it, but it's definitely no Gothic 2.
Hm damn. Should've waited with the PC version. Bought it Day-1 for 50 but mostly to support Piranha Byte. Only played 2 hours of it. Had no real interest to play it seriously so far. This game is way better with Controller than with shitty M+KB support. Maybe I double dip when it gets a discount on PSN or so. It's a typical Risen Game. If you like 1 and 2 than you shouldn't do any wrong with 3. It still has that Gothic nostalgia feeling. Kinda shocked that it is PS4 exclusive. The Bone loses more and more 3rd party support (in Europe) it seems. Especially for low and mid tier games who needs every cent and can't take any risks.
Moff
Member
although I finished it twice with mouse and keyboard, i have to say it's perfectly playable with a pad, my third run was as a melee and with the 360 pad.
but the console versions were just very bad ports. i hope they do better with the ps4 version.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
I like my janky European open world RPGs.
Its undeniably rough around nearly every edge, but damn if it they don't usually charm me enough to beat them.
Played through it on 360 and might go again on ps4
Its undeniably rough around nearly every edge, but damn if it they don't usually charm me enough to beat them.
Played through it on 360 and might go again on ps4
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
How much is so much?
This is the one thing that makes it OK to me with this re-release.
As a person who played over 40 hours on PS3 version, I can safely say that the game was optimized just enough that it doesn't completely lock up given how low the framerate would reach on a constant basis... I would guesstimate the fps is mostly running in range the 15-24 fps and it would dip below that more than above it.
User 479360
Banned
What else is skipping it?
A lot of Japanese games, some Euro games, and a ton of indies.
Off the top of my head for third parties - Dragon Quest Heroes 1/2, Final fantasy XIV, Star Ocean 5, Persona 5, Disgaea 5, Omega Quintet, Onechanbara, Tales of Zestiria, Dragon's Dogma, Deep Down, Street Fighter V, Natural Doctrine, Arcania, Legend of Kay, Akiba's Trip, Hellblade, Toukiden.
User 479360
Banned
Thanks for the thorough list
Most of those titles don't interest me, but I wish they would be multiplatform. I'm not just a one console user, though, and will likely end up playing stuff like Deep Down, Arcania and Hellblade. Those are the only ones that interest me much, outside of maybe Star Ocean 5 and Dragon's Dogma. They may be too Japanese though.
Have you played Gothic 1-3? Risen 1 is pretty much just like the Gothic games. Piranha Bytes recycled the excellent Gothic world/exploration/gameplay design formula from 2000 (Gothic) to 2009 (Risen). It changed for the worse, much worse infact, with Risen 2. I've read that Risen 3 even takes a few more steps into that same lame direction by having invisible walls(!), which is one of the reasons I've still not wanted to play it.
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Press release: http://risen3.deepsilver.com/en/risen-3-titan-lords-–-enhanced-edition
PS4 port is being made by Piranha Bytes: http://forum.worldofplayers.de/foru...ed-Edition?p=24343046&viewfull=1#post24343046
GHG
Member
Yep. In the same way sunset overdrive was also nothing major.
It didn't end up selling very well afterall.
Pathfinder
Member
I loved Risen 3, had a wonderful time with it. One of my favourite games of that year.
I also didn't know Reality Pump has gone bankrupt, genuinely saddened by that
I love Two Worlds 2 and the DLC for it was especially superb. Shame they fucked things up with the release of Ravens Cry.
I also didn't know Reality Pump has gone bankrupt, genuinely saddened by that
I love Two Worlds 2 and the DLC for it was especially superb. Shame they fucked things up with the release of Ravens Cry.Herman Cain
Banned
Worse than Risen 2.
However I may take a whirl at this depending on impressions. Risen 3 had good ideas, they just din't know what to do with it.
GHG
Member
Well since "nothing major" works for you I thought it was pretty apt.
Pathfinder
Member
Of course you did.
Anyway we're pretty far off topic here, but my point is smaller studios with limited resources opting to publish only for PS4 right now is inevitable. I wouldn't go so far as to say Xbox One is losing third-party support in general though, and it's hardly a trend.
There's still plenty of multiplats in the pipeline. Once those start getting cancelled and major publishers start backing out, then it's time to worry.
serversurfer
Member
So, EA, Acti, and Ubi are all Bone owners really want/need?Of course you did.
Anyway we're pretty far off topic here, but my point is smaller studios with limited resources opting to publish only for PS4 right now is inevitable. I wouldn't go so far as to say Xbox One is losing third-party support in general though, and it's hardly a trend.
There's still plenty of multiplats in the pipeline. Once those start getting cancelled and major publishers start backing out, then it's time to worry.
And if they're the only ones certain to continue support, that doesn't constitute a "general" lack of 3rd-party support? What if EA decide to launch a new IP on PS4? Would that also not count?
I guess I'm trying to figure out where you're drawing the line here. Everything is peachy until Madden gets cancelled? Would FIFA count, or would that just be, "Duh, EU hates MS," or maybe a bribe from Sony?
Pathfinder
Member
Well, since multiple people are claiming XO has become the new Wii U, and that's really how this whole argument started in the FC4 Complete Edition thread, I guess I'd draw the line around the same place: when the Wii U really started losing its third-party support and developers started dropping like flies.
We're not even close to being there yet.
serversurfer
Member
I think you're being a little sensitive. /comfort
Out of curiosity, what did it look like when third parties first started straying from the Wii U? When did that start happening? Were WU fans claiming these isolated incidents are meaningless? How do you feel the Bone's current situation differs from what turned out to be "the beginning of the end" for WU?
Pathfinder
Member
I'm pretty sure it started getting serious when games like Crysis 3, Battlefield 4, and Metro were cancelled.
I feel XO's situation differs because, despite how it's doing outside the US, it's still doing relatively well in the US.
serversurfer
Member
No, I'm asking what it was like before that. Looking back, what were the first signs that the Serious was coming? I don't really follow Nintendo, so honest question here, to any comers.
Have you seen my Ubipie?
Thought this said, "Prolly bout eight hours ago."
Pathfinder
Member
I am not sure what the first signs were. I'm not the best person to ask as I've always treated Wii and Wii U as Nintendo consoles and I usually only buy Nintendo games for them. As I remember, the Wii U was never really a strong contender out of the gate as far as third-party games go. I kept reading bits and pieces around the web that developers felt the machine was underpowered and not suitable for porting games to. Also I'm sure the lack of first-party games when it first came out didn't do much to drive sales. It didn't seem to start coming into his own until a couple years after it hit the market, but by then it felt like it was too late for it to be a real contender.
Yes, we've all seen your pie. Ubisoft is also just one company. (Not to mention, one who tends to make mediocre games in general, if the threads here are any indication.)
serversurfer
Member
I remember hearing the power concerns, but I didn't know if it was the devs or the fans.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. You wouldn't care if Ubi dropped support for the Bone? Their games suck so they don't qualify as a "major publisher"? Bone owners are obviously playing Forza, CoD, and BF instead of buying Ubi games? Do you have some reason to believe their sales aren't typical of other Western publishers?
Regarding the stronghold of America itself, remember that MS made a lot of hay last Christmas by being significantly cheaper than PS4. Despite that gain, PS4 is still ahead. Before that, PS4 was besting Bone every month by 1.5x to 2x. Now that Christmas has passed, PS4 is back to 1.5x even though some of the Christmas discounts have hung around. If Sony go to $299, I don't really see how MS can compete with that. Last year it was a $400 PS4 against a $330 Bone with two games. If Sony go to $300, do you really think MS will respond with something in the $200+GAMEZ range? $230 with a free copy of H5, MCC, and a $50 gift card? Sony kinda hold the reins here.
Pathfinder
Member
Just because they're second place doesn't mean they're going to start losing support and disappear. It just means they'll be second place. Likely they'll miss out on a handful of games by smaller publishers who will concentrate on Sony's console because they'll get more sales, but I can't see it going any further than that.
I'll be genuinely surprised if it does.
moniker
Member
Risen 2 is a way better game than Gothic 3 though (which I played through recently). I'm a big Piranha Bytes fan, but even with the community patches that game is a mess.
G3 was kind of unfocused I think, a problem I'm glad they addressed in Risen 2.
The open world in R2 also is probably the best world I saw since G2+addon
SolarMystic
Member
So your hoping for the downfall of Xbox?
This kinda stinks, but I'll still check it out when I get a ps4 this fall.
Moff
Member
G3 is a mess, but I stil liked it a lot. you just had so much freedom, too much actually, the game really was an unorganized mess witthout any kind of bigger picture.
I also think that risen 2 is an enjoyable RPG, although it's clearly piranha bytes worst game for me. it's simply the game where their philosophies were applied the least.
I also think that risen 2 is an enjoyable RPG, although it's clearly piranha bytes worst game for me. it's simply the game where their philosophies were applied the least.
moniker
Member
Varant (which was what, 50% of the total map?) was just a whole lot of nothing. Nordmar was pretty awful as well, it just felt unfinished. I think if they'd cut those two areas and put more focus on the rest, it could have been pretty good.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
I've enjoyed all of the Risen games and have plenty of hours spread across them. Hell, i'll be all over Raven's Cry this weekend so i'm not afraid of a bit of eurojank if it has a piratey theme
Yeah, looking back they're not perfect but i've had fun with them.