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Shit shit shit. I really want those Ion drums. About a month ago I convinced myself to just hold off and get the GHWT bundle but the positive impressions are making me question my decision.

I used to play drums back in middle school and high school and have been wanting to start playing again. I can't get a standard drum set as I don't have the space. An electronic one would work though.

Those of you that have it were you drumming before Rock Band?

Bleh it's this or a PS3 and Little Big Planet...
 
Those of you that have it were you drumming before Rock Band?
Not especially. I mean, I've played on real sets and electronic sets every once and while, and can keep a basic beat, but nothing spectacular. The pads do have a nice bounce in them, unlike the RB1 (and RB2?) drums.

My friend has a $2.5k Roland set, and it's certainly not like playing on those, but I could definitely see playing drums on these as a hobby (not on stage).
 
Motion Picture Soundtrack said:

This is why I was opposed to "Battery" going in. I mean, it's a good song, not the best on the album, but it's got some tremendous competition there. In the game, though, it's like Harmonix is just laughing at me. Like it's some sort of sick dare to see if I think I can even consider being able to pass it on guitar let alone drums (I will never, ever pass this on drums).

So yeah, while I complained a bit about RB1 being too easy this is the sort of thing where they overcompensate for that and just try to murder us. I'd prefer songs that offer some challenge that I know will be surmountable with reasonable practice and effort. I'm not saying to cut down songs at all. That would be incredibly wrong. Just maybe keep this sort of ludicrous difficulty stuff to DLC, not on-disc. It seems like the sort of people who want to destroy themselves with this are a bit more of a niche.

I'd also rather spend my time in-game working on songs that I can learn to do fairly well and then try to perfect my abilities with them. Not a big "screw you, you're not good enough to beat Expert".

Or, let me put it another way. Even though I'm not that sort this is approaching the level where the time and effort it would take to pass or be even remotely decent at it is significantly less than the equivalent required to become a competent beginner on a real instrument. I'm never going to suggest that someone ought to just go off and play a real instrument nor that they would be better off devoting their time to it. Except in this sort of case. There is a limit to me spending the next few years of my life learning to be good enough to pass this.

Then again, I think with drums that might be part of the point. If you're teaching elemental drumming skills in the game and you give people a goal to shoot for and work towards then they're being given motivation to learn how to play. Really only works for drums and, to a different extent, vocals though.

This sort of ultra-hard song also increasingly becomes a problem with the randomization and such that we get in Tour mode. The chance of hitting a song that will just leave your lower intestine spilling out onto the floor simply shouldn't be there.
 
TAJ said:
If you didn't elbow this guy hard enough to make him cough up a kidney, you failed as a friend. He was probably so beaten down that he didn't even consider the possibility she was interested.

I think he said he didn't want to rush things. We gave him hell afterwards. It was a supremely stupid move though. I mean, hell, at least go home with her, show her you're interested and maybe get in some cuddling or something. If he really, seriously didn't want it to go further than that it didn't have to (and we would give him hell over that), but man... it's just not the sort of thing you turn down.

The best part is that his name is mentioned in Clerks as one of the people Dante's girlfriend blew. We also gave him shit about that a fictional version of himself was getting more action.

He did, however, later attend the party with the two ladies on the floor and had a prime seat on the floor literally (if not exactly) one foot away. So I guess that sort of, if even in a very minor way, makes up for it.

Still I didn't do much better. For the former party my girlfriend was in another town 100 miles away and for the latter she went home to go to bed hours before I did.

I will say this, however, dating a girl a year or two younger than you such that she's still finishing up high school is exceptional when she has lengthy breaks in her day during finals week and you live a block away from the school.
 
onemic said:
Last question.

What do I enter under billing information? Is it simply where I want the bill to be sent?(First time using a credit card)

NO! That is for the billing information registered to the credit card. For example: if my mother gives me her credit card number and tells me to order something for myself for my birthday I would put in my address for the shipping information, but her name and billing address for the billing information. This is also relevant many times for business use.

Expect to occasionally have trouble with places if you need to do this often. I had to do this while I lived in the dorms in college because my financial information was all still under my permanent address at my parent's house. This was a complete pain in the ass many times with companies delaying processing or requiring that you FAX in information or such. It was made even worse because I was using my own card, just with a different address on it.
 
Oh to be young

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Is it wrong to sometimes wish you had Pan-style goat legs? They look furry and warm. I also think I could rock a small set of horns pretty well. Nothing too big, but maybe like a little 1-inch long set would give some nice definition to my temples.
 
Eggo said:
I have this song unlocked, what do you want to know?

He uh... erm... he wants to watch while you play it.

Grrm... following this thread and replying here is seriously impacting my ability to watch Looney Tunes on YouTube. My development isn't going to stay fully arrested on it's own people.
 
Belgand said:
Is it wrong to sometimes wish you had Pan-style goat legs? They look furry and warm. I also think I could rock a small set of horns pretty well. Nothing too big, but maybe like a little 1-inch long set would give some nice definition to my temples.

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Belgand said:
NO! That is for the billing information registered to the credit card. For example: if my mother gives me her credit card number and tells me to order something for myself for my birthday I would put in my address for the shipping information, but her name and billing address for the billing information. This is also relevant many times for business use.

Expect to occasionally have trouble with places if you need to do this often. I had to do this while I lived in the dorms in college because my financial information was all still under my permanent address at my parent's house. This was a complete pain in the ass many times with companies delaying processing or requiring that you FAX in information or such. It was made even worse because I was using my own card, just with a different address on it.

oh shit, I already sent the information with my residence as my billing info. I just sent them an email asking to change it, if I'm indeed supposed to provide the one that is registered under my credit card.
 
Belgand said:
Is it wrong to sometimes wish you had Pan-style goat legs? They look furry and warm. I also think I could rock a small set of horns pretty well. Nothing too big, but maybe like a little 1-inch long set would give some nice definition to my temples.

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I'm slightly confused by some of these replies. Confused... and desirous.

I can't also be the only sane person who thinks that some girls would look better with slightly pointier ears? They give the face and head a taller, slimmer look and just add a bit of exoticism.

Like many things, however, the Japanese take this way, way too far. I'll never understand Japanese "elves" with their freakish giant flipper-ears.
 
AMUSIX said:
Question on the ION kit, for someone who knows what pads they use. Do they register rim hits?
Obviously not for RB2 (as it's not designed to understand them) but when I connect the Alesis, I'd like to know that the control is there.

From their FAQ page: http://www.drumrocker.com/products/faqs.php

Q: What type of pads are used on the Drum Rocker? Are they single or dual strike zone – I’m asking because I’m at Expert Level on Rock Band 1 and will be eventually purchasing the DM5 sound module to start a band.
A: The pads are velocity sensitive, single zone pads.

I don't know where the jukebox mode is either. I haven't unlocked it and my friends and I just finished the main series of full band challenges. Hell, I haven't unlocked Alex Chilton yet (but I can play it in the 80's challenge, which I have completed) - what the hell do I need to do to unlock that song?
 
Argyle said:
Teen rating strikes again...oh well :)

Nothing's shocking except that album cover?
Fuck, I'm the only person in NA without this game, aren't I?
 
Yeah, I did a brief search online and nobody seems to have any knowledge of jukebox, but a few people are asking about it. Apparently it used to be on the RB2 website, but they quietly removed it from the listed features.

Now for an incredibly tiny degree of nit-picking.

It kinda bothers me that in San Francisco you have a venue listed as being on Market St., but being located in North Beach. This is simply not even remotely possible. Market, while the ostensible main street through town, doesn't run anywhere near North Beach. The proper equivalent street would be Columbus.

Otherwise they've done pretty well. There is indeed a pretty major venue up in North Beach (Bimbo's 365, which is on Columbus) that's been around in one form or another since the 30s.

Bay City Theater is clearly intended to be an analogue of the Fillmore. If you're not familiar with the Fillmore then I shall strike you with a blunt instrument. It's up there with CBGB's as one of the most famous venues in rock history. Nowadays it's owned by LiveNation and they still stick you with a service charge if you pay in cash at the box office though they do still give out apples and posters for sold-out shows.

Lastly is the first venue in the city. True, Valencia street in the Mission is a notable spot for live music. It is, however, a place for hipsters and hipster dive bars. It's rapidly gentrifying as fast as they can manage to do so and not only has nothing hippie even remotely associated with it. It's fixies, tight jeans, and ironic mustaches. While it's definitely a good choice for a venue (though in all fairness the small, awesome clubs that feature bands that go on to be notable would be either Bottom of the Hill or Thee Parkside over in Potrero Hill... and Top of thee Hillside would totally work for an amalgam parody venue), but if they wanted something more hippie coffeeshopish they should have done what they did with a lot of other cities and just listed it as a place in Berkeley. Not only would it work, but it would be even more obvious to people who don't live here.

The Alice's Restaurant reference was nice though.

If they ever want to expand it out and give us a large stadium (and since they already used the Oakland Arena in GH2) the Cow Palace would be a pretty good choice as would Candlestick Park. Speaking of Candlestick, no rooftop venue? C'mon, it's such an obvious thing to do. A shame we scared off the only Harmonix rep we managed to coerce in here by posting in a blog entry.

So, who else had their local venues and neighborhoods terribly misrepresented by Rock Band?
 
When should we expect this weeks DLC announcment... I am so confused with RB2's release and the free DLC yesterday :(

What are the odds that Charlene will be the only thing to hit the store this week due to RB2's US release?
 
Keyser Soze said:
When should we expect this weeks DLC announcment... I am so confused with RB2's release and the free DLC yesterday :(

Seems they tend to pop up around 2PM ET.

Keyser Soze said:
What are the odds that Charlene will be the only thing to hit the store this week due to RB2's US release?

Hopefully, slim...
 
Keyser Soze said:
When should we expect this weeks DLC announcment... I am so confused with RB2's release and the free DLC yesterday :(

What are the odds that Charlene will be the only thing to hit the store this week due to RB2's US release?

Probably today as usual. RB2's imminent release doesn't mean they're abandoning RB1. Plus I'm sure they'll want to throw up something to catch people new to RB2... though I doubt there will be many right now since the bundles aren't out yet.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Stories like this are why I need better friends. Parties round here predominantly consist of "go to x's house till 11, go out to clubs, get home at 4". There's no fun in that. And little chance of public displays of girls going down on oneanother.

I got my girlfriend to make out with two of her friends for the low cost of a drink, once.

Perhaps if I offer to buy dinner next time they'll go the whole way?
 
I'm really liking the new venues. I'm not sure if it's just the new camera work showing off more of the locations, or if it's the locations themselves, but they really do feel like different clubs, theaters, and arenas this time (I felt that RB1 had a number of locations that ran into eachother).
 
AMUSIX said:
I'm really liking the new venues. I'm not sure if it's just the new camera work showing off more of the locations, or if it's the locations themselves, but they really do feel like different clubs, theaters, and arenas this time (I felt that RB1 had a number of locations that ran into eachother).

This thread makes me sad in the pants now :(
 
AMUSIX said:
I'm really liking the new venues. I'm not sure if it's just the new camera work showing off more of the locations, or if it's the locations themselves, but they really do feel like different clubs, theaters, and arenas this time (I felt that RB1 had a number of locations that ran into eachother).

I've spent so much god damn time in the Gorilla Dome...
 
Hmm, just realized that I can't turn on the option to choose venues.

The 'extras' menu only has hyperspeed and no-fail as options. Though there is an 'enter code' field. It's possible that venue select and the jukebox mode are both hidden within.
 
As a european PS3 owner I didn't really care about Rock Band - until now because EA is going release the game later this month. So here's the question. Will my GH3 Guitar work work Rock Band 1 and 2? I'm talking about the PS3 Version.

Thank you guys!
 
Blablurn said:
As a european PS3 owner I didn't really care about Rock Band - until now because EA is going release the game later this month. So here's the question. Will my GH3 Guitar work work Rock Band 1 and 2? I'm talking about the PS3 Version.

Thank you guys!
Yes
 
McBradders said:
I got my girlfriend to make out with two of her friends for the low cost of a drink, once.

Perhaps if I offer to buy dinner next time they'll go the whole way?

Wow... you had to buy her a drink? That's the double-sided issue of being straight-edge: no lowered inhibitions, but when wild stuff does start happening, well, drink had nothing to do with it.
 
So while I played GH3, I did it on PS2 now that the GH:Aerosmith demo is out I was able to get a chance to give a proper comparison between it and Rock Band.

For one thing I'm really amazed at how much better the next-gen version looks. I mean, yeah, I could tell that the PS2 version was a tad clunky, but this is totally night and day even on an SD monitor. With that in mind the graphics are an odd area. The interface is definitely in favor of RB, hands down. The character designs likewise although the GH characters actually look more detailed... generally to their detriment, however. The animation is definitely worse in GH as well. The interesting thing is how much the rest of it largely works. It's brighter and looks more vibrant. It just... pops more. True, many of the venues in Rock Band are pretty dark and you have more in the way of lighting effects, but from a technical level it just sort of looks a bit better... that is, without doing a direct comparison. It still has a very artificial look and that's a bit more of a turn-off so it comes out weirdly balanced. Sort of like the characters: GH seem more detailed, but look ugly as hell while the RB characters look better, but seem a bit flat.

As for gameplay it's amazingly weird to go back to seeing the old round gems. I'm definitely preferring RB and, as others have said, it looks a bit classier and more adult with the subdued bars and the nice little particle effects. Hey, didn't I say I was going to talk about gameplay? The HO/PO feels decidedly looser. True, they tightened it up a bit from GH3, but it still feels a bit too loose. At the same time I'm hitting them far more reliably than in RB where I still tend to strum about half the time to be certain I'm hitting it. I could pull off much longer runs far more easily that I almost certainly wouldn't have made in RB. Maybe I'm used to the rigidity of the RB system, but hitting them so easily did make it feel maybe a tad too easy still. Perhaps another step tighter would be better. In general the buttons also felt a bit mushier as well. This is highly odd because I'm using the exact same FrontMan that I play RB with, but it just felt less solid when I was hitting notes. I'd mark this down partly to the interface, but something else feels like it's going on and I can't entirely explain it.

Overall it made me regret having picked up GH3 for PS2 in a way. At the same time I got a lot of play out of it and it helped to tide me over until RB. RB could learn a few things about the technical end of art direction from GH, but definitely not design-wise.

I expect that with GH:WT it'll be sort of similar: GH does a few things slightly better (looks like character creation will be more detailed, music creator will come first, but probably be inferior to RB's eventual system), but it looks like RB is a much better game and total package without the numerous gaffes that Neversoft have introduced into the formula.

On a similar subject I was thinking about the rumored Rock Band: AC/DC that was being floated around. I think what it might be is more of a themed package than a new game. If you put out a bundle with themed instruments, stickers, a t-shirt, and a voucher for a bunch of AC/DC DLC that's going up on the store anyway wouldn't that basically be the same thing? It'll highlight that they have AC/DC in the game and help to draw in the hardcore fans and the collectors who have to have everything, but it won't mess with the "RB is a platform" concept or screw over people who bought the plain bundle.

Speaking of AC/DC with AC/DC, Jet, and Airbourne does Australia have some sort of secret AC/DC training program or something? Is there a secret reserve of songs that sound like AC/DC songs in case they stop making incredibly similar songs (hey, I like them, but it's true)? I mean, of all the bands to sound like why sound like a band that has such a consistent sound? And they're all Australian bands to boot (though I doubt it's actually a bootable offense there, correct me if I'm wrong). My best real guess is that it's such a simple, basic hard rock sound that it's pretty damn easy to end up sounding like them, but still... it's the Australian connection that's really getting to me. When GH:WT comes out can will Johnkers be giving us an AC/DC soundalike track by default? Will the government force him to do so?
 
I think Belgand that a lot of Australian rock bands in recent years (Jet, Wolfmother etc.) have tried (and failed) to mimic the classic rock sound. Naturally AC/DC would be one of the bands among the many they're trying to rip off.
 
Belgand said:
On a similar subject I was thinking about the rumored Rock Band: AC/DC that was being floated around. I think what it might be is more of a themed package than a new game. If you put out a bundle with themed instruments, stickers, a t-shirt, and a voucher for a bunch of AC/DC DLC that's going up on the store anyway wouldn't that basically be the same thing? It'll highlight that they have AC/DC in the game and help to draw in the hardcore fans and the collectors who have to have everything, but it won't mess with the "RB is a platform" concept or screw over people who bought the plain bundle.

I think you'd be surprised with how many people aren't connected to the net on their consoles, don't think that would work. Do like the "collectors" idea if they're going to do a disc release, as well as providing the DLC for the non-disc fans.

When GH:WT comes out can will Johnkers be giving us an AC/DC soundalike track by default? Will the government force him to do so?

I'm not even an AC/DC fan! Like, nothing against them or anything but besides their big hits I don't think I've heard too much of them!
 
Gems > rectangles. There's a reason Harmonix designed them like they did in the first place; the Rock Band system basically looks like "we can't look like Guitar Hero, so here's an alternative" to me. Showing if something is a HO/PO by changing it's size isn't as good as showing it by having an outline or not in GH when the chart is moving at a high speed.

And I still hate the timing window in RB. It doesn't need to be as tight as it is. GH:A is pretty much perfect to me.
 
TheGreatDave said:
And I still hate the timing window in RB. It doesn't need to be as tight as it is. GH:A is pretty much perfect to me.

Same here. The window in just way to tight. I tend to press the notes a tad bit earlier before they reach the line which is fine in GH:X, but with RB, more often or not I'll miss it completely.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Gems > rectangles. There's a reason Harmonix designed them like they did in the first place; the Rock Band system basically looks like "we can't look like Guitar Hero, so here's an alternative" to me. Showing if something is a HO/PO by changing it's size isn't as good as showing it by having an outline or not in GH when the chart is moving at a high speed.

And I still hate the timing window in RB. It doesn't need to be as tight as it is. GH:A is pretty much perfect to me.

I agree that GH:A is the best engine so far timing wise, imo. I think Gems work better to see the notes most of the time, sometimes the smaller hopo notes in rockband can get very hard to see which goes where when is a fast section, for me anyway, cause I suck I guess lol.
 

I am totally confused - two of the dudes who work in my local GAME said it wasn't compatible with GH3 guitars. Who is correct? Want to play this so bad but not keen on getting another guitar.
 
Motion Picture Soundtrack said:
I think Belgand that a lot of Australian rock bands in recent years (Jet, Wolfmother etc.) have tried (and failed) to mimic the classic rock sound. Naturally AC/DC would be one of the bands among the many they're trying to rip off.

A fair assessment. That's one of the great things about The Mother Hips. They really get a great classic sound. They're playing here in town (as well they ought to being a local band) this week, but with tickets at $20 I can't really justify spending that much money for the show.

Heh... the think I was just reading up about Ticketmaster on Wikipedia and thinking about being gouged. It reminds me of the Dead Kennedys song "Pull My Strings" with the line "you'll pay ten bucks to see me". To think that at a time that was expensive. I see old concert posters and see major acts with prices at something like $5-10... even with inflation that's ludicrously cheap compared to today. Insta-edit: Actually, no I'm totally wrong. $10 in 1972 works out to be around $50 today according to the Interwebs.

It all contributes to a terrible marketing system when you can't afford to take a chance and see a band you're not intimately familiar with because you're paying so much for tickets. Fugazi had the right idea with $5-10 shows. I probably could have seen Spoon about three, four times in the last year. Instead I went to one show (and waited outside freezing in a particularly bitter San Francisco June for about 4 hours to get tickets with no advance sales) because I simply couldn't afford any more. Even that one was pushing it. A few years ago though I saw George Clinton for like, $13 and he played a three hour set.
 
Belgand said:
A fair assessment. That's one of the great things about The Mother Hips. They really get a great classic sound. They're playing here in town (as well they ought to being a local band) this week, but with tickets at $20 I can't really justify spending that much money for the show.

Heh... the think I was just reading up about Ticketmaster on Wikipedia and thinking about being gouged. It reminds me of the Dead Kennedys song "Pull My Strings" with the line "you'll pay ten bucks to see me". To think that at a time that was expensive. I see old concert posters and see major acts with prices at something like $5-10... even with inflation that's ludicrously cheap compared to today. Insta-edit: Actually, no I'm totally wrong. $10 in 1972 works out to be around $50 today according to the Interwebs.

It all contributes to a terrible marketing system when you can't afford to take a chance and see a band you're not intimately familiar with because you're paying so much for tickets. Fugazi had the right idea with $5-10 shows. I probably could have seen Spoon about three, four times in the last year. Instead I went to one show (and waited outside freezing in a particularly bitter San Francisco June for about 4 hours to get tickets with no advance sales) because I simply couldn't afford any more. Even that one was pushing it. A few years ago though I saw George Clinton for like, $13 and he played a three hour set.

This is all well and good, but you have to remember that playing gigs is the best source of income for a band. Even some crazy huge ones.
 
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