Roland Garros 2009 French Open
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Takeda Kenshi
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Thank the Gods Federer hung in there. Really hope he wins this weekend.
perfectchaos007
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Hootie said:
I may change it to Rand Paul if he runs in 2012, but my Ron Paul avatar is safe for quite a while.
VistraNorrez
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The one thing I really love about tennis is that it is basically a game of rock paper scissors. So just because Soderling beat Nadal doesn't mean he will beat Federer.
VistraNorrez said:
Ah, but it doesn't mean he won't beat him, either.
Honestly, it's hard to call Federer impressive right now. He just *barely* beat a guy he's never before lost a set to. A guy who previously could hardly be called a clay courter.
Of course, he's in the final now, and if he wins it no one will remember that he struggled the entire way. All they'll remember is that he won and Nadal lost in the 4th round.
One interesting point this whole tournament is making for me is that things are changing in the men's game. Fed might finally win here, but I don't think that means he's "back on top." It's going to be rough for him and everyone else from here on out, what with Nadal and Djokovic and Murray and Del Potro (and others) fighting for the top spot, slams, etc.
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Manics said:
I missed watching the match, but it was pretty entertaining going through this thread and reading the posts. Especially that guy. Hahaha.
Told you he'd choke. One day he may be dominant, if only because he's a lot taller and more athletic than most of the men on the tour, but right now I don't think he can beat Fed.
Oh and dude Manics you said he was dominating throughout the second set when he and Fed were trading games and Del Potro lost the tiebreaker by an embarrassing margin.
Oh and dude Manics you said he was dominating throughout the second set when he and Fed were trading games and Del Potro lost the tiebreaker by an embarrassing margin.
1. Federer is not #1 at the moment, but he remains the most consistent player on the tour by a gigantic margin. 20 semi-finals in a row? That's five complete seasons where he's always made it to the semis.
2. If he wins, it doesn't matter that Federer didn't have to personally take down Nadal. Really, nothing could be less important. Nadal showed up to play tennis, and he didn't make it to the end. It's not like Federer pulled a Tonya Harding and got him clubbed in the kneecap, he went down in a fair fight.
2. If he wins, it doesn't matter that Federer didn't have to personally take down Nadal. Really, nothing could be less important. Nadal showed up to play tennis, and he didn't make it to the end. It's not like Federer pulled a Tonya Harding and got him clubbed in the kneecap, he went down in a fair fight.
d+pad said:
Men ranked in the 1000's are impressive. It's doubtful that any of the women could get a win against anyone above 1000, and I would imagine there would only be a small handful who could get an occasional win on players in the 1000 through 1500 range. To say its hard to call a guy who just fought through to the final's of the French Open impressive is impressive hyperbole.
How many people remember Soderling v. Nadal in Wimbledon? What YOU see as a struggle based on scores or other criteria ultimately lead Federer to the final. He may not be as dominant on this surface and at this time, but he just got to the finals. One slip up and he would be out.
I agree here. While Fed did quite well to get to this point, we are now at a point in tennis like the one between Sampras and Fed. There are some amazing players around, but there are no world-dominating/crushing players.
She wouldn't necessarily, no. I'm just saying, outside of the power and the speed, two factual physiological differences that could never be equal, which would never allow them to compete on equal terms, they're equals. In the strategic and technical department. But we've been through this before, of course.
d+pad said:
I agree that Federer is not as impressive anymore, as he's clearly past him prime (2004-2007). At the same time, the argument you used should be used with caution...Del Potro is a young and upcoming player, who's been making great strides in his game this year. He was bound to take a set off Federer at one point. And most Argentines aren't exactly slouches on clay; it's what they mainly grow up on. And make no mistake about it, Del Potro's game is really big.
Your argument would be more appropriate if the opponent in question is a veteran of sorts, similar to Sampras' last years where he started to lose against contemporaries like Todd Martin, who he usually owned in his prime.
d+pad said:
Agreed. Federer's past his prime. He can forget about the #1 spot, because he can never play again with the consistency he had during 2004-2007. But his main focus should be Grand Slams; he can still shine for a two-week period. The truth is that we see fewer and fewer matches where he *really* shines. Combined with the improving competition it's hard to see him make GS finals as consistently as he has up till now (though he obviously will still make them!).
Anyways, here's to hoping he wins this thing, otherwise he'll have nightmare replays of this final in his head for the rest of his life. What Sampras couldn't do...Federer can.
Nihilism said:
That really would be epic. Beating Nadal (#1), Federer (#2), Davydenko (#11), Gonzalez (#12), Ferrer (#14) in a Grand Slam, on a surface which is theoretically speaking your worst surface, would be rather impressive. Regardless of what will happen sunday, it has been an impressive run. It seems like Magnus Norman really changed his attitude on court.
He'll gain at least around 1200 points I believe, which corresponds with a 13 place jump, to #12. If he wins he'll gain an additional 600 points, which would land him at #10.
(Too bad for Soderling that there's no carpet indoor Grand Slam, that would really make him a consistent contender to win Grand Slams).
Cheez-It said:
Well, wouldn't you still call Nadal dominating, even after RG? That guy is still miles ahead in terms of tournament wins and ATP points.
perfectchaos007
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Serena Williams is happy.
Future PhaZe
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Good for Svetlana.
Sharp said:
It's just that he wants it so much, that he starts thinking. As a result, he has the tendency to succumb under his own pressure. I think most matches against Nadal illustrate this; he plays at his worst when he has a breakpoint, by dumping backhand returns low into the net or returning them really short.
He needs to get in a flow, where everything comes intuitive. I hope he can do it right from the start this time, but I'm holding my heart for any nervous / mental breakdowns.
PuppetSlave
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I think he has a chance if he keeps playing as he has so far in the tournament. Not a huge chance but still... It's not given that Federer will win.
In other news the Swedish Junior Daniel Berta just won his singles final =) 61 36 63
In other news the Swedish Junior Daniel Berta just won his singles final =) 61 36 63
SolidSnakex
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KajunW said:
That's what happens when you play as much as Nadal does. Jankovic does the same thing and her knees are busted too.
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jett said:
Jett supporting Federer? Has hell frozen over? :lol
I am rooting for Federer, but wouldnt be surprised if he choked big time. He doesnt generate any faith in me nowadays.
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