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[Wafflecakes]

The reason for that is Serena.

The sooner she retires, the sooner women's tennis will flourish.

Serena was a complete mess a few years back and went a year and a half without winning a slam. No women stepped up and won multiple slams during that streak.

If history repeats itself the WTA will be crying itself to sleep over her retirement.

 

[bigfurb]

Tennis needs new blood, it's time for people like Serena, Federer, Nadal to just disappear from the tour. It's just embarassing to see them keep playing. Hopefully Djokovic and Murray will retire soon enough too. We already got Sharapova out at least.

If young phenoms spring up and consistently start beating these legends and winning multiple slams, that's great. But if random players luck into facing a legend at the end of a Slam when they're spent and can't put forth the type of championship play they normally do, i don't see how that's great for the game. If Mug goes on to become a great, that's great, but this win is not yet a sign of that

 

[Niraj]

Tennis needs new blood, it's time for people like Serena, Federer, Nadal to just disappear from the tour. It's just embarassing to see them keep playing. Hopefully Djokovic and Murray will retire soon enough too. We already got Sharapova out at least.

lol

 

[TheAutomator]

The decline of Serena and the rise of Sharapova.

 

[oti]

Lol no.

Serena is way past her prime time and she is not getting any younger.

Tennis needs new stars like Mug, not for a fading star to keep winning until she is 50 yo.

Of course, I'm not saying only Serena should win. But as long as she doesn't have a consistent competitor (Azarenka was that for a short period of time) she'll dominate. But why would anyone want her to stop playing?

 

[Diprosalic]

so what ya'll saying ia that someone needs to beat serena twice before we can be happy for them. i get it and i'm sad now, as i should be.

 

[zero_suit]

Serena was a complete mess a few years back and went a year and a half without winning a slam. No women stepped up and won multiple slams during that streak.

If history repeats itself the WTA will be crying itself to sleep over her retirement.

The WTA has:

Azarenka (injury prone)
Kvitova (too streaky)
Keys (not there yet)
Radwanska (can get overpowered)
Kerber (another one slam wonder)
Halep (most unpredictable of the bunch)

The future doesn't look bright.

 

[Diprosalic]

The WTA has:

Azarenka (injury prone)
Kvitova (too streaky)
Keys (not there yet)
Radwanska (can get overpowered)
Kerber (another one slam wonder)
Halep (most unpredictable of the bunch)

The future doesn't look bright.

why would you list Keys and not 2 year younger top 10 Bencic or Muguruza who just won a slam?

 

[Diamond]

Cool final, Serena was not at her best, lots of approximation in her placement, but even then she's tough to beat. Great nerves from Muguruza and she managed to respond to Serena's power.

Also, please, you don't randomly get to the final of a slam. It's not your local town tournaments. You can get easier draws, you can get a little bit lucky, but a slam title is not something you get accidentally. The public view is skewed by the fact we have players with 10, 15, 20 slam titles, but even 1 can be the achievement of a lifetime.

 

[LuuKyK]

The WTA has:

Azarenka (injury prone)
Kvitova (too streaky)
Keys (not there yet)
Radwanska (can get overpowered)
Kerber (another one slam wonder)
Halep (most unpredictable of the bunch)

The future doesn't look bright.

lol @ you listing Keys. That girl should play baseball. She is not winning slams anytime soon.

Halep, Bencic and Bouchard have more chances of winning one than her. :lol

 

[mclem]

We have been down this road before. Lets not play games.

Until girls start winning MULTIPLE slams then they are worthless as far as building tennis. The last thing we need is another era of 4 new slam winners a year.

"Stepping up" is winning consistently. Different girls lucking into beating an aging Serena once each is degenerate.

I'm guessing people aren't wanting just one new player to come up and dominate the rest, because that's just what we've had before with a different person lifting the trophy at the end. From my POV, multiple slam winners strikes me as desirable, if anything.

 

[zero_suit]

lol @ you listing Keys. That girl should play baseball. She is not winning slams anytime soon.

Halep, Bencic and Bouchard have more chances of winning one than her. :lol

Let's not get crazy. That Wimbledon final was probably her best chance.

 

[LuuKyK]

Let's not get crazy. That Wimbledon final was probably her best chance.

Thats not crazy considering: Wimbledon, draws falling apart and getting her confidence back. /shrug But yeah outside of that its pretty crazy I agree. lol

Keys can literally ballbash herself out of any tournament even with confidence though. So thinking she has a slam in her is even crazier imo.

 

[bigfurb]

Cool final, Serena was not at her best, lots of approximation in her placement, but even then she's tough to beat. Great nerves from Muguruza and she managed to respond to Serena's power.

Also, please, you don't randomly get to the final of a slam. It's not your local town tournaments. You can get easier draws, you can get a little bit lucky, but a slam title is not something you get accidentally. The public view is skewed by the fact we have players with 10, 15, 20 slam titles, but even 1 can be the achievement of a lifetime.

The public view is skewed by the history of the sport. The sport was built on a legacy of champions that maintain years of excellence. I'll get excited about the future of he sport when some of these lot rise to the challenge

 

[Wafflecakes]

I'm guessing people aren't wanting just one new player to come up and dominate the rest, because that's just what we've had before with a different person lifting the trophy at the end. From my POV, multiple slam winners strikes me as desirable, if anything.

Umm. There are 4 slams a year.

You can have multiple players winning multiple slams.

 

[miserable]

i was looking at past finals at RG, what happened to Dinara Safina? did she retire due to injuries?

 

[tolkir]

Wouldn't surprise me if Muguruza was to go out early in Wimbledon.

Last year she played the final vs Serena.

 

[LuuKyK]

i was looking at past finals at RG, what happened to Dinara Safina? did she retire due to injuries?

Yes, years ago.

 

[milanbaros]

Cool final, Serena was not at her best, lots of approximation in her placement, but even then she's tough to beat. Great nerves from Muguruza and she managed to respond to Serena's power.

Also, please, you don't randomly get to the final of a slam. It's not your local town tournaments. You can get easier draws, you can get a little bit lucky, but a slam title is not something you get accidentally. The public view is skewed by the fact we have players with 10, 15, 20 slam titles, but even 1 can be the achievement of a lifetime.

Well said. A slam is an epic achievement showing incredible talent and endurance. You are a great if you win a slam.

 

[oti]

so what ya'll saying ia that someone needs to beat serena twice before we can be happy for them. i get it and i'm sad now, as i should be.

I'm not saying that. Mugu outplayed Serena. She deserved it.

 

[RaySpencer]

When's the men's match tomorrow? Mountain time if possible

 

[Kotetsu534]

19 hours from now, if that helps.

 

[zero_suit]

When's the men's match tomorrow? Mountain time if possible

9a EST, so 7a MT.

 

[RaySpencer]

9a EST, so 7a MT.

Awesome. Thank you!

 

[oti]

When's the men's match tomorrow? Mountain time if possible

Mountain Time? Do you live in a Pokémon game? Is Beach Time a thing?

 

[RaySpencer]

Mountain Time? Do you live in a Pokémon game? Is Beach Time a thing?

Haha.

No I live in Edmonton

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Time_Zone

 

[lazybones18]

Maybe Serena will hit 22 at Wimbledon *shrug*

I'll be sure to watch the Men's Final tomorrow. Can't decide if I want to see Nole complete the Career Slam or watch the French be bailed out by the British...again

 

[perfectchaos007]

Maybe Serena will hit 22 at Wimbledon *shrug*

I'll be sure to watch the Men's Final tomorrow. Can't decide if I want to see Nole complete the Career Slam or watch the French be bailed out by the British...again

I think it's her best surface, and may be her last chance to win a slam. If she doesn't win this wimbledon I don't know if I see her winning another slam in her career.

 

[Kotetsu534]

I'd wait till after the US Open before panicking, but I have my doubts if she'll ever play another FO final again. Reckon she wins Wimbledon this year and gets it over with though.

 

[MIMIC]

Just watched the replay on Tennis Channel (9am was too early for me, lol)

Can't believe she lost again. Checking out her wiki page, this marks the first time in her career where she lost back-to-back/consecutive finals.

Anyway, just like the Australian Open final, Serena was....off. WAY off. I guess she has finally entered that point in her career where she can make finals, but isn't necessarily the best person remaining.

Except for all of those DFs, Muguruza played really well. She was right there with Serena, point-for-point. She got tight as expected, but she recovered well.

 

[perfectchaos007]

It's looking highly likely that this is another year where we'll have 4 different slam winners on the womens side

 

[szaromir]

Man oh man tomorrow is going to be seminal moment in mankind's history as we'll witness Clayray's ascension. Cannot wait.

 

[sam777]

Murray can definitley do this and he has played tricky opponents and been tested on his way to the final. Djokovic on the other hand has not really had any challenges, so I think it puts him in a slightly worse position.

 

[mclem]

Murray can definitley do this and he has played tricky opponents and been tested on his way to the final. Djokovic on the other hand has not really had any challenges, so I think it puts him in a slightly worse position.

If Murray can play like he did against Stan, I think he's got it. It's Murray, though, so that's a big if.

Wonder who the crowd will take to? Neither player really had the crowd on their side much in the games I saw, but Murray was against Gasquet which would inspire a partisan crowd.

 

[John Dunbar]

oh yeah, i'm anointing my chosen one so hard right now.

 

[T-0800]

Alright everyone, place your bets.

I want Murray to win. I think The Joker will.

 

[MrS]

Predicting that Murray will bottle it like he always does.

 

[szaromir]

I am a faithful Clayray believer and I will bathe in glory tonight.

 

[Deadman]

I don't think Djokovic will even win a game.

 

[John Dunbar]

I don't think Djokovic will even win a game.

clayray is a harsh god but he is not cruel. he might even give djokovic a set.

 

[frankie_baby]

3 - 1 to Clayray

 

[Ricker]

Watching the Junior's single right now,because our Canadian kid,Auger-Aliassime is in the final,3rd set going on...

As for the Murray Djokovic match,damn its going to be so close I think....flips a coin,Murray in 5.

 

[Hedrush]

Just stopping in to say, cmon Andy!!

 

[TheChamp]

Murray doing it in the only way he knows in 5 sets... 1-6, 2-6, 7-6, 7-6, 12-10

 

[oti]

Murray doing it in the only way he knows in 5 sets... 1-6, 2-6, 7-6, 7-6, 12-10

1-6, 2-6, 7-6 (12-10), 1-6 more likely

 

[Staab]

Murray gonna get bageld in 3, book it !

 

[Diprosalic]

Swiss girl won the girl finals. You're not getting rid of us Tennis World.

 

[FortuneFaded]

Come on Clayray!

 

[TheAutomator]

Clayray will prevail.

 

[oti]

Swiss girl won the girl finals. You're not getting rid of us Tennis World.

Is there nothing else to do in Switzerland other than Tennis and Wintersport?

Asderaki-Moore got robbed.