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Tim the Wiz
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JzeroT1437 said:
This is all pretty off-topic, but, just amongst genre fiction, there's plenty of non-polarized epics like George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series, China Mieville's Bas-Lag novels, most of Guy Gavriel Kay's historical fantasies, Matthew Stover's Acts of Caine series, and Gene Wolfe's near-everything. Amongst historical fiction, a non-polarized world resides in rich vein within stories of epic scale like Fraser's Flashman series, James Clavell's Asian Saga, Patrick O'Brian's AubreyMaturin series, David Anthony Durnham's Pride of Carthage, etc. Would not Tolstoy's War & Peace, Amin Maalouf's Leo Africanus and some of Robert Graves' output count as modern epics, too?
Tricky I Shadow
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cms382 said:
Tell me about it! Its like a drug, a drug I need more of!
I dunno, maybe I just havent seen that many movies with a Horner score? Or maybe most of the ones ive heard were so forgettable I was never thinking "ive heard this before" when watching Avatar, heh.
Well, there is one part in "WAR" that is directly lifted off the score from the Matrix :lol
Well, there is one part in "WAR" that is directly lifted off the score from the Matrix :lol
Arjen
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Saw it last night, i've got two theatres in my town, the big one showed in in 2d and the small one (and thats pretty damn small) in 3D.
So i saw it in 3d, but it is was still fucked up knowing they didn't use the bigger screen available.
Loved the movie, it really looked amazing in 3D. Stroy was pretty damn cliche and predictable, but that didn't really bothered me.
Theatre was packed, and that's really rare for a sunday, guess the hype is pretty big here to.
So i saw it in 3d, but it is was still fucked up knowing they didn't use the bigger screen available.
Loved the movie, it really looked amazing in 3D. Stroy was pretty damn cliche and predictable, but that didn't really bothered me.
Theatre was packed, and that's really rare for a sunday, guess the hype is pretty big here to.
What do people think the corniest moments in the movie were?
For me it was:
For me it was:
Jake's decision to tame the Leo... says something along lines of "I have to take this to a whole other level". Pooey!
and
The chanting Na'vi scene, and Jake's rallying speech to the Na'vi was a bit corny, even though it worked/was paid off at the end of the film.
and
The chanting Na'vi scene, and Jake's rallying speech to the Na'vi was a bit corny, even though it worked/was paid off at the end of the film.
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Justinian said:
Without a doubt: "You have a strong heart." A groan went up amongst my friends and I. Perhaps I can't speak for them, but it initiated Padme/Anakin flashbacks.
Giolon
Member
Dead said:
For me, it's track #5 ("Becoming One of "The People" Becoming One With Neytiri"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K76tU9zsWbE&feature=related
Reminds me a bit of Baba Yetu from Civilization IV.
I've not been able to get this movie out of my head since I saw it on Saturday. I'm going to have to see it at least once more. Unfortunately, I've been unable to convince my family to go see it with me while I'm home for Christmas. My mom thinks its going to make her puke because she saw one news report that talked to one person that said they were nauseous.
MisterAnderson
Member
Giolon said:
3:55 and 6:32 are my absolute favorite score moments in the film I think.
That and the part where
Jake is running for the first time
Conrad Link
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Seeing it tomorrow, there's a 3D showing and a regular showing, which should I go to?
I dunno anything bout 3D movies, never been to one so I have no idea what the deal is. :lol
I dunno anything bout 3D movies, never been to one so I have no idea what the deal is. :lol
Giolon
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Conrad Link said:
3D. I've seen several 3D movies and none of them compare to this. If you're expecting "gotcha" shit where like spears poke you in the face or things are being thrown at you, you won't find them in this movie. What the 3D does is just gives everything more presence - it felt to me like I was occupying a spot in the world, instead of just looking at it through a window. It's hard to describe, but I definitely want to see more movies with 3D like this.
Conrad Link
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Hmm, sounds good. I think I'll go with that one.
Cheers!
Cheers!
ElectricBlue187
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Conrad Link said:
regular. 3D (IMAX) gave me a headache
Giolon
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ElectricBlue187 said:
I happened to read this ahead of time: http://gizmodo.com/5430372/how-to-not-get-a-headache-during-avatar
I don't know if I needed it, but I didn't have any headache issues. I didn't see it on IMAX either, just a regular 3D screen. That's plenty big enough for me.
Guess Im a dissenter. Just saw this
movie and uh....yeah it fucking sucked. The first half was so boring I dozed off at times.
It's beauty was only captivating for so long before the cliches and plot holes became to big a problem. The music was uninspiring, much of the dialogue was boring and really corny, few of the characters really popped out as being interesting and the message was really over the top to the point where it just became a running joke. By the end I was hoping
Dissapointed
Edit: Saw it in 3D and it was fine.
movie and uh....yeah it fucking sucked. The first half was so boring I dozed off at times.
It's beauty was only captivating for so long before the cliches and plot holes became to big a problem. The music was uninspiring, much of the dialogue was boring and really corny, few of the characters really popped out as being interesting and the message was really over the top to the point where it just became a running joke. By the end I was hoping
the army would just wipe these people out so we can move past this moronic idea that primitive mysticism is better than science, capatalism and technology
Dissapointed
Edit: Saw it in 3D and it was fine.
Tricky I Shadow
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avatar299 said:
universalmind
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I wasn't really hyped but this movie was so awesome. Definately my '09 favourite.
I could have done without the cliche fly-girl from The Fast And The Furious playing the same character in a different vehicle.
I could have done without the cliche fly-girl from The Fast And The Furious playing the same character in a different vehicle.
You'd survive longer and have time to feel fear against a Xenomorph, where as with the Thanator it'd just run you down and own you up. I was disappointed that the only thing the Thanator really did was die.Truant said:
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Took my little cousin to see it today (my third time) and he couldn't stop talking about it on the way home.
He also told me when it finished 'Before I wan't crying during that really sad part, I just had something stuck in my eye'. :lol
If you know where hell is, you might want to go there for some R&R.
Also, I can't find the tune in any of the soundtrack, but a really great tune plays when Jake is giving Quaritch the inside info on the Home Tree.
I also noticed the connection that when Grace is speaking of the Tree of souls, she actually says
He also told me when it finished 'Before I wan't crying during that really sad part, I just had something stuck in my eye'. :lol
If you know where hell is, you might want to go there for some R&R.
Also, I can't find the tune in any of the soundtrack, but a really great tune plays when Jake is giving Quaritch the inside info on the Home Tree.
I also noticed the connection that when Grace is speaking of the Tree of souls, she actually says
'I would die to get in there and get some samples.'
DieNgamers
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It doesn't! Take that!avatar299 said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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Tricky I Shadow said:
Scullibundo said:Took my little cousin to see it today (my third time) and he couldn't stop talking about it on the way home.
He also told me when it finished 'Before I wan't crying during that really sad part, I just had something stuck in my eye'. :lol
If you know where hell is, you might want to go there for some R&R.
Also, I can't find the tune in any of the soundtrack, but a really great tune plays when Jake is giving Quaritch the inside info on the Home Tree.
I also noticed the connection that when Grace is speaking of the Tree of souls, she actually says'I would die to get in there and get some samples.'
That's so cute!
I've been listening to the soundtrack and the parts that telegraphed the best moments in the movie are pretty kickarse. Especially "war" and "Jake enters his avatar world".
While I think the movie's plot was good, it's really the thematic stuff that sticks with you. No, not the blatant anti-war messages, but the ideas surrounding Pandora and the avatars.
maniac-kun
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Have seen it on Saturday night on a realy big screen in dolby 3d and it was one of the best movie experiences i ever had Before Avatar i have seen My Bloody Valentine 3D and Final Destination 4 in RealD. But Dolby 3d had less reflection in my glasses (wearing 2 glasses at once still sucks tho).
Before Avatar i have seen My Bloody Valentine 3D and Final Destination 4 in RealD. But Dolby 3d had less reflection in my glasses (wearing 2 glasses at once still sucks tho).
Cypher
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Awesome movie. The 3-D component just added to majestic visuals that put you right there in the world of Pandora.
The story was straight-up on auto-pilot, but that's fine since the CG work was jaw-droppingly good that everything felt organic and not artificial.
Avatar is worth seeing just for the artistic landscapes, vistas, and lush foliage and vegetation alone!
The story was straight-up on auto-pilot, but that's fine since the CG work was jaw-droppingly good that everything felt organic and not artificial.
Avatar is worth seeing just for the artistic landscapes, vistas, and lush foliage and vegetation alone!
Just got back from seeing it.
I'm a little conflicted about this movie. It was visually breathtaking but did anyone else find the 3d lacking? Some parts were really great with it and others just got in the way. Am I the only one who found when there was fast motion it was VERY hard to concentrate on any specific thing and wasn't able to take in the whole scene? For instance the "First flight".
As far the the CGI goes, I don't know where all that $300+ million went. The Navi were well animated but didn't suspend my belief 70% of the time. The close up scenes were great but when you threw everything in a shot it was like looking at your average big budget scifi film.
District 9 still holds it for me in that category.
I'm curious as to how well this holds up on 35mm. I saw it in imax3d and everyone told me to go see it in real 3d. Is there a huge difference?
Sorry guys, this was a great movie and hopefully it will push toward advancing 3d tech to a point where those damn glasses are not needed(!) but this is not the revolution everyone wants it to be.
Avatar =/= Star Wars
I'm a little conflicted about this movie. It was visually breathtaking but did anyone else find the 3d lacking? Some parts were really great with it and others just got in the way. Am I the only one who found when there was fast motion it was VERY hard to concentrate on any specific thing and wasn't able to take in the whole scene? For instance the "First flight".
As far the the CGI goes, I don't know where all that $300+ million went. The Navi were well animated but didn't suspend my belief 70% of the time. The close up scenes were great but when you threw everything in a shot it was like looking at your average big budget scifi film.
District 9 still holds it for me in that category.
I'm curious as to how well this holds up on 35mm. I saw it in imax3d and everyone told me to go see it in real 3d. Is there a huge difference?
Sorry guys, this was a great movie and hopefully it will push toward advancing 3d tech to a point where those damn glasses are not needed(!) but this is not the revolution everyone wants it to be.
Avatar =/= Star Wars
Fix The Scientist
Member
So awesome. I also the love the partScullibundo said:
where his shoulder in on fire, but he ignores it for like 2 minutes.
Fuck me, I´ll eat my share of crow.
The characters were cardboard cutouts (they even
), but damn me if they weren´t some of the most likeable things made of cardboard of the year. A bit heavy on the spirituality and a weird mixture of LotR super elves and Native Americans in space and I still think that the USB tail is weird.
The humans were actually less brutal at
then I thought they´d be, but seeing someones home
will always make you think of the others as not so nice. But Jake
surprised me, after the compassion Neytiri showed even for predators trying to eat Jake.
The CGI at some point looked real, but especially full body shots of Na´vis were often not fully convincing to me. Probably a combination of having actors capturing the motions of creatures with much longer limbs, lacking a real life example for the given lighting conditions and me still thinking that the Na´vi being almost like humans but mixed with cats and super slender are a weird design. Close-ups on the faces, especially the lead characters, were much better, even though sometimes the teeth looked weird, sometimes they looked fantastic. But you´d think at least some Na´vi would have some chips or lines in their teeth, especially after punching each other. I still think the Davi Jones was overall better looking, because with him the lighting always seemed spot on.
I´ve not much to say about the action, I mean Cameron had a mech
and I didn´t laugh at the concept but thought "thisissoawesomethisissoawesome" for the whole scene. The entire fight was like a video game final boss, complete with multiple forms. :lol
I still think that with a more creative plot this could´ve been one of the best sci-fi movies ever, but it might still be. The execution is just that good.
I couldn´t maintain my quite pessimistic outlook once the movie started, so I´ll eat a bit of crow (I never said it´d tank or anything) and make it my first time movie to see multiple times at the cinema.
The characters were cardboard cutouts (they even
had the disapproving father, the leader-to-be hating on the male lead only to accept him as battle brother later AND being engaged to the female lead whos is surprisingly the chieftains daughter, the you-betrayed-us-I-hate-you scene, the male accomplishing a feat of prowess to prove his wort and many more
The humans were actually less brutal at
driving the Na´vi away
firebombed
declaring war on the humans and the peaceful natives of all tribes immediately agreeing that warfare would be quite nice
The CGI at some point looked real, but especially full body shots of Na´vis were often not fully convincing to me. Probably a combination of having actors capturing the motions of creatures with much longer limbs, lacking a real life example for the given lighting conditions and me still thinking that the Na´vi being almost like humans but mixed with cats and super slender are a weird design. Close-ups on the faces, especially the lead characters, were much better, even though sometimes the teeth looked weird, sometimes they looked fantastic. But you´d think at least some Na´vi would have some chips or lines in their teeth, especially after punching each other. I still think the Davi Jones was overall better looking, because with him the lighting always seemed spot on.
I´ve not much to say about the action, I mean Cameron had a mech
fighting with a metre long hand held knife
I still think that with a more creative plot this could´ve been one of the best sci-fi movies ever, but it might still be. The execution is just that good.
I couldn´t maintain my quite pessimistic outlook once the movie started, so I´ll eat a bit of crow (I never said it´d tank or anything) and make it my first time movie to see multiple times at the cinema.
, but of course imax3d is way better than real3dUpon request...
What you're suggesting is slightly different, that a website - in the interest of clicks - may decide it's in their best interest to generate hits by making a review in the negative.
One, I'd suggest this practice is statistically small. The amount of negative feedback a review that seems forced to be negative would receive would, in the end, result in less hits over the long term, not more. These sites are obviously not trying to BUILD a userbase, instead going for short, sweet "bursts" of users to garner attention. These sites usually all die in the end when everyone catches on, and that's usually pretty quickly.
Two, we are talking about individuals with no vested business interest in trying to garner hits or make money, not websites. If we are discussing the userbase on GAF, the amount of people who decide to hate something based on popularity would probably be somewhere close to 0%.
There is no rhyme or reason to anyone on GAF or any other discussion board to take the view merely because something is "popular", even in the cases of the most determined attention whores. I probably shouldn't say the chances are absolute zero, because this is the internet where everything exists, but it's so statistically insignificant as to make comments like "people just like to hate on things that are popular" absurd, if not dismissive.
These people saying these things are, again, usually fanboys or system warriors who, facing someone who doesn't see the world like them, invent scenarios wherein they can come to believe such hatred makes sense. This reinforces their own beliefs and validates their viewpoints in their minds.
Nicktals said:
What you're suggesting is slightly different, that a website - in the interest of clicks - may decide it's in their best interest to generate hits by making a review in the negative.
One, I'd suggest this practice is statistically small. The amount of negative feedback a review that seems forced to be negative would receive would, in the end, result in less hits over the long term, not more. These sites are obviously not trying to BUILD a userbase, instead going for short, sweet "bursts" of users to garner attention. These sites usually all die in the end when everyone catches on, and that's usually pretty quickly.
Two, we are talking about individuals with no vested business interest in trying to garner hits or make money, not websites. If we are discussing the userbase on GAF, the amount of people who decide to hate something based on popularity would probably be somewhere close to 0%.
There is no rhyme or reason to anyone on GAF or any other discussion board to take the view merely because something is "popular", even in the cases of the most determined attention whores. I probably shouldn't say the chances are absolute zero, because this is the internet where everything exists, but it's so statistically insignificant as to make comments like "people just like to hate on things that are popular" absurd, if not dismissive.
These people saying these things are, again, usually fanboys or system warriors who, facing someone who doesn't see the world like them, invent scenarios wherein they can come to believe such hatred makes sense. This reinforces their own beliefs and validates their viewpoints in their minds.
Jamesearlcash
Member
A few questions,
How suitable is it for children ? I have took my son the cinema to see quite a few films ie Iron man, Transformers 1 & 2, any reason why this is any more adult?
On the 3-d, is it worth going to watch it on a 3-d imax screen over a standard 3-d screen. There are standard 3'ds near me, but the closest imax is around an hours car journey.
How suitable is it for children ? I have took my son the cinema to see quite a few films ie Iron man, Transformers 1 & 2, any reason why this is any more adult?
On the 3-d, is it worth going to watch it on a 3-d imax screen over a standard 3-d screen. There are standard 3'ds near me, but the closest imax is around an hours car journey.
BoloTheGreat
Banned
When you see it in 3d its a great experience but there are some glaring problems with it. Ok first of Unobtainium? really? Unobtainium?!! could they not think of anything better. Tiberium, great. Tritium and trinium pretty good. Unobtainium, pretty immersion breaking. It's worse than purposely silly "Rareatanium" in ratchet and clank. Make something up, name it after some random scientist or something.
Also the actual plot was a giant bolouder round the films neck. That general dude, was he just to bad ass for that "Gas" to effect him? I mean my god the man just won't stop. He reminds me of duke numkem crossed with the sargent from Apocalypse now but played totoally serious. I kept expecting to hear "I love the smell of gneocide in the morning". He is in BAD need of a cigar.
The plot is one part planet of the apes, two parts dances with wolves, and three parts needless drivel.There is no kind of redeption of the people, the film just stump fucks you with a tired old message. We get it, huminz are bad.
Also the design somethimes threw me, could they have crammed any more guns on those airships? it was almost comical, it almost descended into a kind of self parody but the film was blissfully unaware of how generic it's sci fi was. Maybe it's just because im a big Command and conquer fan but this;
Looks pretty much identical to this;
Also the actual plot was a giant bolouder round the films neck. That general dude, was he just to bad ass for that "Gas" to effect him? I mean my god the man just won't stop. He reminds me of duke numkem crossed with the sargent from Apocalypse now but played totoally serious. I kept expecting to hear "I love the smell of gneocide in the morning". He is in BAD need of a cigar.
The plot is one part planet of the apes, two parts dances with wolves, and three parts needless drivel.There is no kind of redeption of the people, the film just stump fucks you with a tired old message. We get it, huminz are bad.
Also the design somethimes threw me, could they have crammed any more guns on those airships? it was almost comical, it almost descended into a kind of self parody but the film was blissfully unaware of how generic it's sci fi was. Maybe it's just because im a big Command and conquer fan but this;
Looks pretty much identical to this;
Man watching this making of video made me want to go see this movie again.
http://rs422.rapidshare.com/files/319954330/T4.Avatar.Film.Special.WS.PDTV.XviD-aAF.rar
NAO!
http://rs422.rapidshare.com/files/319954330/T4.Avatar.Film.Special.WS.PDTV.XviD-aAF.rar
NAO!
Okay Command and Conquer fan, can you show me something earlier than Terminator 1, where Cameron first used that design on his Hunter?BoloTheGreat said:Also the design somethimes threw me, could they have crammed any more guns on those airships? it was almost comical, it almost descended into a kind of self parody but the film was blissfully unaware of how generic it's sci fi was. Maybe it's just because im a big Command and conquer fan but this;
Looks pretty much identical to this;
Generic? Just because C&C and Halo ripped him off doesn't mean he is generic.
fortified_concept
Banned
avatar299 said:
I'm not surprised this is coming from you.
Fix The Scientist
Member
Maybe slightly more violent than those, but mainly it's more upsetting if that makes sense. It's not so much that there is gore but that some parts are quite morose. It's probably OK though.Jamesearlcash said:
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