SCULLIBUNDO
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Hitman said:
Oh man, he's right. IT COULD BE EVEN BIGGER! :lol
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Oh man, he's right. IT COULD BE EVEN BIGGER! :lol
Guardian Bob
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jett said:
Dude, I am so avatarted.
So do you still need a 3D tv to play a 3D bluray?
Dabookerman
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Could we post up some other movies to compare it to? Like December movies.
Karma Kramer
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border said:
huh? seems to me during the holidays is the perfect time to take kids to the movies...?
Karma Kramer
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Krev said:
Weird...
Why release a kids movie on Christmas Eve then?
I saw it yesterday. It was entertaining and the 3D was impressive, but this has to be one of the most cliched, predictable, made for mass appeal movie I've seen. Let's run through a list of SOME of the cliches in the movie:
Generic, cookie cutter warrior lead
War-mongering villain
Villain has scary scar
Nature good, technology bad
Noble savages
Lead falls in love with native girl
Native girl is actually the daughter of the leader of the natives
Native girl is to marry another guy due to tradition
Native guy is asshole
Lead does something that only a few people in history have done and is mentioned earlier in the film
Lead learns the ways of the natives
Small, weasley corporate guy
Lead turns his back on his own people to help natives
War is only fought for money/power/greed
Lead is shunned by natives, then accepted, then shunned again, and then finally accepted
Being "one" with nature
And
I wasn't really blown away by Pandora (GET IT LIKE PANDORA'S BOX IF YOU OPEN IT BAD THINGS GONNA HAPPEN). Bright, glowing things can only captivate me for so long. The creature designs weren't that original either. I'm pretty sure I killed most of the creatures on Pandora in Phantasy Star Online. Cameron basically just took existing animals, made them reptiles, and put some extra legs/wings/eyes on them.
Plus the dialogue, dear God. Who didn't roll their eyes at "you have a strong heart." It's like Cameron wrote this when he was 14 and didn't go back and proofread it. Also, the object the company was trying to get was called "Unobtainium." Honest to god, that is what James Cameron called it. Is this supposed to be some meta joke, or does he just not take his screenplay seriously and instead would rather perfect how the texture on Neytiri's boobs looks like? Once again, here is a short list of awful, awful pieces of dialogue.
"Everything out there wants to eat your eyes for jujubes"
Actually, I'm just going to stop there. Will there even be jujubes in the future? Hell, they aren't popular NOW. Who eats jujubes?
I'm being pretty harsh on the film, and that's because a lot of people simply can't look past glowing 3d plants to find out that the story and dialogue is something that Cameron probably came up with in a weekend. It's a film that is only impressive on a technical aspect and will become less admired as the years go on, kind of like Titanic.
Generic, cookie cutter warrior lead
War-mongering villain
Villain has scary scar
Nature good, technology bad
Noble savages
Lead falls in love with native girl
Native girl is actually the daughter of the leader of the natives
Native girl is to marry another guy due to tradition
Native guy is asshole
Lead does something that only a few people in history have done and is mentioned earlier in the film
Lead learns the ways of the natives
Small, weasley corporate guy
Lead turns his back on his own people to help natives
War is only fought for money/power/greed
Lead is shunned by natives, then accepted, then shunned again, and then finally accepted
Being "one" with nature
And
banging under a magical tree was totally in FFX.
I wasn't really blown away by Pandora (GET IT LIKE PANDORA'S BOX IF YOU OPEN IT BAD THINGS GONNA HAPPEN). Bright, glowing things can only captivate me for so long. The creature designs weren't that original either. I'm pretty sure I killed most of the creatures on Pandora in Phantasy Star Online. Cameron basically just took existing animals, made them reptiles, and put some extra legs/wings/eyes on them.
Plus the dialogue, dear God. Who didn't roll their eyes at "you have a strong heart." It's like Cameron wrote this when he was 14 and didn't go back and proofread it. Also, the object the company was trying to get was called "Unobtainium." Honest to god, that is what James Cameron called it. Is this supposed to be some meta joke, or does he just not take his screenplay seriously and instead would rather perfect how the texture on Neytiri's boobs looks like? Once again, here is a short list of awful, awful pieces of dialogue.
"Everything out there wants to eat your eyes for jujubes"
Actually, I'm just going to stop there. Will there even be jujubes in the future? Hell, they aren't popular NOW. Who eats jujubes?
I'm being pretty harsh on the film, and that's because a lot of people simply can't look past glowing 3d plants to find out that the story and dialogue is something that Cameron probably came up with in a weekend. It's a film that is only impressive on a technical aspect and will become less admired as the years go on, kind of like Titanic.
Just got back from seeing it in IMAX 3D. I've definitely been skeptical for a few months now, I thought it looked dumb ass hell but it was AWESOME. Story was pretty medium, but I felt like it really picked up in the last third.
I don't know about the 3D though, I don't think it works for me. I mean it looked great but like, this is hard to describe, it really messed with my brain. Like it makes me feel disconnected from reality but not in a good way. Like I felt spaced out a lot and it didn't seem like things were actually happening and I always felt like I was only getting information from a few seconds ago while new things were happening. It was weird.
I don't know about the 3D though, I don't think it works for me. I mean it looked great but like, this is hard to describe, it really messed with my brain. Like it makes me feel disconnected from reality but not in a good way. Like I felt spaced out a lot and it didn't seem like things were actually happening and I always felt like I was only getting information from a few seconds ago while new things were happening. It was weird.
Forkball said:
You are going to get jumped for bringing up unobtanium. It's a catch-all phrase for rare, unusual materials and I think Cameron used it to draw attention away from why it was being mined. It was a poor decision to not name it something different and it just adds to the mediocrity of the rest of the dialogue.
BruceLeeRoy
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Just got back from seeing the movie again(I dont want to say how many times that is now for me cause its getting embarssing) and I must say nothing is more satisying than convincing someone to see it that has:
a. expresed no interest in it
b. hasn't seen any trailers
c. despite your assuring them its good still don't want to see it.
But then they go see it anyway and you get to watch their mind grapes get crushed and turned into a wine of pure awe.
a. expresed no interest in it
b. hasn't seen any trailers
c. despite your assuring them its good still don't want to see it.
But then they go see it anyway and you get to watch their mind grapes get crushed and turned into a wine of pure awe.
The Librarian
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TELL MEBruceLeeRoy said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah come on Bruce, how many times?
I've seen it four times and will probably see it another two times before it finishes it run.
I've seen it four times and will probably see it another two times before it finishes it run.
BruceLeeRoy
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:lolDax01 said:
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Scullibundo said:
Sweet me and you can start the group Sculli.
BruceLeeRoy
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stuburns said:
Yeah but I saw it the second and third time on the same day and within only a hour and a half of eachother.
You can join our therapy sessions too stuburns. I think for the time being we should meet at the closest imax theater and just to keep it organized, time our meetings around the showings of the movie.
Karma Kramer
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pfft 4 is decent...
I have seen it 4 times and seeing it tomorrow with my mom/family... then still need to see it on IMAX 3D, which I have been saving
I have seen it 4 times and seeing it tomorrow with my mom/family... then still need to see it on IMAX 3D, which I have been saving
BruceLeeRoy
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No I keep meaning to spend less money but...I just cant.stuburns said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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SCULLIBUNDO
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stuburns said:
Plenty of time to watch it in 2D once it hits bluray.
Forkball said:
QFT.
First movie I've ever seen in 3D and it was pretty cool at first but started to become uncomfortable during the duration. Still positive experience overall.
The movie felt like Cameron took plot/story/creatures/environments/scenes from various movies and video games and put it all together in one movie.
Grimm Fandango
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And the movie is all the more impressive even when bogged down with cliches and predictability.
I think the sequel(s) is where Cameron can really stretch his legs.
I think the sequel(s) is where Cameron can really stretch his legs.
â Narayan
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While I enjoy the film a lot, I agree with all of your points.Forkball said:
Grimm Fandango said:
I truly hope he does, and I believe he will.
I went to see it for the second time today, in a RealD theatre instead of XpanD like the first time. I can safely say it was a better experience. The image was at proper brightness levels (it was a bit dark in the XpanD theatre but I must say it may have been the fault of the theatre operators), the glasses were the usual RealD ones which aren't nowhere near as uncomfortable as the XpanD ones (in fact, they're comfortable to me), and the 3D was at the same level at least. I was sitting pretty much perfectly positioned, centered both in width and screen height and the 3D was pristine especially in the CG sections.
I also feel the movie gets better the more you see it.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Forkball said:
First of all: yes, unobtainium is a meta-joke. Unfortunately, the movie does not explain that fact, so it does come off as totally stupid if you're not privy to it.
Anyway, the thing is that your comments are true, but the movie is still damn good. It may be cliche, but it handles its cliches well and manages to hit resonant emotional beats. Its dialogue also is not that bad; there are a couple of cheesy lines, but the vast majority of the script falls well within normal scriptwriting tropes. If you didn't like the designs, there's nothing that I can say to change your mind on that. For my money, this movie had some of the best, most fantastically realized art design that I've ever seen.
To your last point: visual deftness is an achievement unto itself. One definition of the art of cinema is 'telling a story with pictures'. Telling a fairly average story with absolutely insane visuals can be an effective moviegoing experience for a lot of people, as proven by the fact that it's a huge hit with audiences and critics alike. Plus, there are some good performances in this movie (specifically, I liked Worthington, Weaver, and Saldana, who gave one of the best female performances this year). There are different definitions of what makes a film good; some people focus specifically on plot and dialogue, but many look at film as more of an overall package; for many of those people, Avatar made up for its deficiencies in story and dialogue with the many, many things that it does exceptionally.
Also, Titanic is still loved by many, many people; it's not at all a fact that Titanic is not looked upon very well today.
It does, really.FirewalkR said:I truly hope he does, and I believe he will.
I went to see it for the second time today, in a RealD theatre instead of XpanD like the first time. I can safely say it was a better experience. The image was at proper brightness levels (it was a bit dark in the XpanD theatre but I must say it may have been the fault of the theatre operators), the glasses were the usual RealD ones which aren't nowhere near as uncomfortable as the XpanD ones (in fact, they're comfortable to me), and the 3D was at the same level at least. I was sitting pretty much perfectly positioned, centered both in width and screen height and the 3D was pristine especially in the CG sections.
I also feel the movie gets better the more you see it.
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
If anything, general opinion on it seems to have increased since Titanic came out. A lot of people that were younger back then and turned off by the romance or the Leomania or whatnot are now older and more mature, and can look back on it with a greater degree of objectivity.
Just got back from my second viewing (in 3D again) and CHRIST I enjoyed it even more than the first time!
This time, I was acclimated to 3D from the start, no blurriness, no eye pain, nothing. Just glorious, glorious 3D.
My favorite scene is still the first Banshee flight. Pure, unbelievable joy. The end of the scene where Jake and Neytiri are reminiscing about the flight was the perfect cap off.
I also had no problem with the long intro this time. It was just fine.
And the climax, whew! Some of the best action in years. And no blurry, unfocused, unintelligible, clashing action sequences.
Seriously, I might have to move it up a spot to take my number 1. I've never had such a rewarding second-viewing. Movies hold up, they don't usually get better.
Edit: And it got a THUNDEROUS applause at the end. Literally deafening.
This time, I was acclimated to 3D from the start, no blurriness, no eye pain, nothing. Just glorious, glorious 3D.
My favorite scene is still the first Banshee flight. Pure, unbelievable joy. The end of the scene where Jake and Neytiri are reminiscing about the flight was the perfect cap off.
I also had no problem with the long intro this time. It was just fine.
And the climax, whew! Some of the best action in years. And no blurry, unfocused, unintelligible, clashing action sequences.
Seriously, I might have to move it up a spot to take my number 1. I've never had such a rewarding second-viewing. Movies hold up, they don't usually get better.
Edit: And it got a THUNDEROUS applause at the end. Literally deafening.
Grimm Fandango
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JCX said:
If you saw it in 3D the first time, try 2D.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I think its unanimous that AVATAR is even better on the second viewing.
SCULLIBUNDO
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NEW PAGE.
Also, soundtrack really is great, but nothing will make me forgive Horner for the 'Eywa steps in' cue.
Also, soundtrack really is great, but nothing will make me forgive Horner for the 'Eywa steps in' cue.
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