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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)
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Dabookerman
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Amir0x said:
No of course. But then people tend to swap popular with annoying fanboys/girls. This may or may not be the case with Avatar, but it is for many things. Why the hell would I hate Naruto for example? I don't have any reason, I've never seen it, but the fans make me hate it, and assume it to be shit.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
is the gallon in 3d?
StrikerObi
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TurtleSnatcher said:
Titanic was similar. Great (but not amazing) opening weekend. Word of mouth go out, and it went up 40% a week later on Christmas.
The studio knows what they are doing with this (for once). Avatar is the kind of flick that needs worth of mouth. Release it a week before one of the biggest movie-going weekends of the year. The word of mouth will get out after the opening weekend and the cinemas will be packed over the holiday. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit $100M next weekend despite being out for a whole week.
Count Dookkake
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MetalAlien said:
:lol
Gotcha.
I only ask because I have seen plenty of commentary attacking the message as though it was wrong.
MetalAlien
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beelzebozo said:
Depends on what theatre you ate it at.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
I enjoyed District 9 way more than this. :-/Count Dookkake said:
cartoon_soldier
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PhoncipleBone
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Dabookerman said:
Thank you again Dabookerman. I just didn't think out my wording clearly this morning. Thank you for translating the thoughts from my brain into comprehensible sentences.
we must be linked through Eywa
zoukka said:
Or maybe for a lot of people, there's nothing wrong with Disney story telling? Not everything has to be complicated, adult and ambiguous to be good. I still enjoy Pixar movies, I watched Sleeping Beauty on blu-ray again when it was finally released, Lion King is still one of my favorite movies, and I never fail to catch a new Ghibli movie out in the cinemas. That doesn't mean I'm not a grown person who hasn't watched a shitload of movies, nor does it mean I cannot appreciate something more complicated and mature.
The movie isn't perfect, and I don't think anyone has stated that it is some amazing piece of original storytelling, but it IS an amazing piece of storytelling. Not original at all, but well told, and well paced. If you enjoy the world, there's no reason why the movie does not work on pretty much every level. The action is great, the sets are amazing, and there is tons of attention to detail, great animation and the 3D effects are really pretty nice. It might not be enough for you, but that doesn't mean other people are defending it irrationally.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
StrikerObi said:
I mentioned this before, but not a single movie has ever increased on its second weekend that had over 43 million opening weekend. With the competition next week, Avatar hitting 100 million is a pipe dream.
Count Dookkake
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cartoon_soldier said:
Kinda sorta. Author was in such a rush to write it, that he forgot the ending of the movie negates one of his points.
Also, how would primitives be expected to win unless some people from the tech side defected?
DieNgamers
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I'll read it later but just reading the headline I assume this is about races and that old white guild argument. In my opinion Avatar wasn't about that, as a whole. It spoke against destruction of nature in much broader terms with the Na'vi representing a mentality mostly forgotten by highly civilized cultures. It's very open about that but I don't see anything wrong with that message.cartoon_soldier said:
PhoncipleBone
Banned
John Dunbar said:
Yup. I think the most generous estimate would be it hitting $60 million next weekend. It will drop, but I dont think the drop off will be as huge as other blockbusters. I am guessing $45-$50 next weekend to be safe. Monday numbers will be the most telling of how it is tracking. And hopefully next week there are no blizzards in the northeast.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I don't think he has a problem with the level of the plot/storytelling, just with people trying to raise it to levels above what it is.duckroll said:
Yeah the flow of the movie was solid. The content, rotten. Was this movie aimed at kids? I thought it was R13. And it has nothing in common with Ghibli movies.
It's always the same in these kinds of arguments. "You can't appreciate mindless fun" etc... and that's bullshit. Everyone can appreciate casual, campy and just plain fun. But these kind of movies have standards too you know. Nowadays it's just harder to see all the shite under the ever-developing digital magix.
This movie is instantly forgotten when the next huge special effects galore hits.
MetalAlien
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JGS said:
You know, I agreed with Carter Burke and Ash from both Alien movies. Everything expect killing people. I would have fought to save the Aliens too. I always seem to side with the bad guy. At least when Sigorney Weaver is the good one.
DieNgamers
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Maybe it is more. I heard several people call it "more than just a movie" and it makes sense. Actually one of my friends was not only blown away, he was nearly shocked by the experience. He had no real words and didn't even try to find them. I noticed that with many people around me.XiaNaphryz said:
(Only problem with this, as Cameron said: how is there going to be word of mouth if everybody is speachless. :lol )
There will always be people who don't enjoy it for some reason or another but overall the reception seems outstanding. I'll see it with my family soon.
CassidyIzABeast
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he got back from Pandora pretty fast:lolJGS said:
Parker is that you?
Davey Cakes
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I'm inclined to agree. It gives more depth to everything, but that's about it, and I don't really care about such a feature when it comes to movies.dem said:
I've seen three 3D movies in the theater, at this point, and each time I've felt completely indifferent about the experience. It's not worth the 2-3 extra bucks per ticket.
Dabookerman
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This movie ain't mindless.
Easy to follow =/= mindless.
Easy to follow =/= mindless.
MetalAlien
Banned
zoukka said:
Absolutely, the first time some one uses this technology to make an actual good movie Avatar will shine for the dreck it really is.
zoukka said:
This isn't an argument. There's nothing to argue. If you dislike it, as I said, you're allowed to. And the movie is aimed at all ages. What if "R13"? It's PG-13. They have Happy Meal toys at McDonalds, they have cheapo Avatar action figures, they've been running kid friendly ads on Cartoon Network.
I never said it had anything in common with Ghibli movies, I just said I enjoyed them. You seem to be taking every single positive thing anyone has to say about the movie, or anything anyone might even say as a way to attack the movie, which is really lame honestly. For the same reasons you feel that the movie has "rotten content", other people might disagree. That doesn't mean you're wrong, just different. Are you unable to accept that?
Davey Cakes
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Well, I'll admit I still have a soft spot for the classic Star Wars trilogy, but in terms of today's big-budget action romps with ridiculous amounts of CG, there aren't many good movies out there of the type. For Avatar to come out on top or near the top really isn't saying much at all.Oneself said:
And believe me, I don't agree that the movie is "mindless." It just takes a really weak approach to storytelling, the kind that's obviously caused by the film makers biting off more than they could chew. I honestly think Avatar would've served better as two or three separate movies instead of one, because at least then there'd be more time for interesting progressive development of the story and characters.
BruceLeeRoy
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I really really loved the whole thing. I think I am going to try and catch a matinee to see it again. The whole thing felt like a mix between Last Samurai and the Lion King to me and being that I love both of those movies Avatar was perfect for me.
Amir0x said:
You're wrong in that Ami, trust me. People literally will go into things, especially popular things, wanting to hate it to begin with. If you go into something wanting to hate it then you instantly will.
You see this a lot in music, and while some people can genuinely dislike something other people plan to hate something long before they see it.
beelzebozo
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Rash said:
the first PIRATES movie strikes me as a much closer approximation of the sensation i get from watching the old STAR WARS movies.
Rash said:
yep. the ending when he's calling together the tribes who have these unique lifestyles reminded me somewhat of LOTR, except LOTR took the time to develop the fact that these other groups existed before they were called to arms. here, it was, "oh yeah, and these other people who rode horses? them too."
Davey Cakes
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I can say I agree with this too. Hell, movies at the theater are still wowing me just with digital projection. I really don't need 3D just yet.Hamfam said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18749604&postcount=1490
On spot for the opening weekend predictions. I think I said overall US sales to be 200m back at the start of November, but it should do better than that by quite some. Considering the Christmas pick-me-up week 2, which should keep it a huge draw its second weekend. Could end close to 250m-270m. And be set up real well for a sequel/franchise start.
J2 Cool said:
On spot for the opening weekend predictions. I think I said overall US sales to be 200m back at the start of November, but it should do better than that by quite some. Considering the Christmas pick-me-up week 2, which should keep it a huge draw its second weekend. Could end close to 250m-270m. And be set up real well for a sequel/franchise start.
Boards of Canada
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I was under the impression that most projectors run at 70% brightness, so they increase it a bit for 3D movies. So you're actually not getting a dimmer experience. I could be wrong though.Hamfam said:
Count Dookkake
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lsslave said:
fixed
In general, I find that if I am going to spend a couple of hours watching a movie, I will give it a free pass from nitpicks for the first 20 or so minutes, despite any preconceived notions of the work from trailers or reviews. Without doing that, it is too easy to go into full on hate mode.
DieNgamers said:
But the hero's a white guy so therefore it's racist and it's all about white guilt!! :lol
Some people take it too far I guess. Writing that type of article and trying to find all things racist about a fictional movie looks more like racism to me. Watching Avatar, I never even thought a second about that type of shit.. I mean; if you see everyone as equal human beings, you won't stop to think about racism bullshit like that and take time to write a theory about it.
:lol :lol :lol :StrikerObi said:
Jesus Christ, it actually opened pretty well. Now can you people stop being delusional? As has already been pointed out, no movie has opened anywhere near as big as Avatar did and gone up its second weekend (the closest is Shrek, which only opened at $42 million and still only barely went up its second weekend). Furthermore, with five new wide releases (ok, two of those are expansions, but as far as most of America is concerned, they'll be new) that cumulatively target all demographics, it will take a hit. The question is how much of one -- good legs (say, a 20-40% drop) certainly aren't out of the question.
Revelations
Banned
Rash said:
Cameron wrote it as a piece with segments. So yes it actually can be put into a trilogy if he want to continue it. But I understand Fox's relustance to just test it out first before committing to such a venture. Perhaps he will opt to do a sequel as a 2 parter filmed at the same time.
I largely agree, but I think the move to make not something STRICTLY about survival was deliberate. I think they wanted to avoid the grey area. Keep it black and white - these are the good guys, these are the bad guys. For sure, a moral grey area is that much more interesting, but I reckon it was something they didn't really want. But as you say, it kind of plays out a little bit strange - as the Colonel briefs the soldiers before the big attack, all the humans are basically fist-pumping (in parallel with the na'vi - but they had a reason to defend their land) - what are they all excited about? That they are going to destroy a tree? Thousands of indigenous people? They needed to show that the marines were perhaps tired of the situation or something. I know it's the exact point, but I do find it a little hard to believe that the motivation of the human race will STILL be greed and money after all that's said and done in however many years in the future it is. Then again, maybe that's the point to all of it- that after all that tech, discovery of new worlds that the same things happen every time.DoctorWho said:
Meh, I have no problem with the simple story. I just would've liked a more even flow of story telling.
silverbullet1080
Banned
Not really. District 9 is far and beyond a better movie with better writing and a better story and only outclassed visually in 3D. :lolCount Dookkake said:
lsslave said:
Why would someone WANT to hate anything? And again, how does this jive with the vast evidence to the contrary: the many, many people who have found much negative about a game or movie or book to begin with, but ended up quite liking it and ADMITTING so?
I had very little positive to say about Zelda: Spirit Tracks before its release and despised the abysmal Phantom Hourglass. But guess what... I got the game, and I played it, and I made the educated decision that it was, in fact, good.
That's what people do. When they REALLY like movies, or they REALLY like games. Fanboys tend not to base things on facts or quality, they look at a name and then decide the measure of its worth. But the rest of us... we don't tow the company line merely because people would prefer that; they take honest assessment of things and decide how things are when they have all the evidence.
In reality, this "issue" seems to occur much more frequently with those passionate about something. It is much harder to tell oneself that they actually didn't like what they have heralded than to say you enjoyed something you had reservations about.
But even I wouldn't pretend it was some massive percentage of the population, trying to devalue the opinions of those who did like it.
Those claiming people hate this, or anything else, based on "popularity" do so merely to try to
a.) devalue the opinions of those who dislike the game/movie/book
b.) try to validate their own opinions on what the game/movie/book they like
turnbuckle
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It's cliche, but this movie really did leave me speechless during the film. There were more than a couple times where I literally had my mouth open wanting to say "wow". I will be seeing this at the theater again, more than one more time. This movie just won't be the same experience watching it from home. I already "miss" Pandora and the real world feels a little bit duller now. I get many of the criticisms of the film, but I'm glad I'm able to look past whatever flaws it has and instead allow myself to enjoy the experience as well as be totally in awe of it.
CassidyIzABeast
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officially Avatar has made $232,180,000 Worldwide
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=avatar.htm
Most thrilling scene:
I already saw this scene in the sneak peek and didn't think much of it, but seeing it during the movie felt completely different.
The most impressive audio:
I keep thinking,
random thought. XD
was actually when Jake was being chased by that giant wolflike creature.
I was so immersed in the chase due to the shots and the sound, I found myself wanting to dodge that creature invoulantarily lol.
The most impressive audio:
Every time Jake touched those huge pinkish plants, it would retract into hiding, causing this sound like something was going down a tube. I guess the movie was kinda silent at that point, making the sound stand out even more.
I keep thinking,
now that Jake has tamed the huge red Banshee, what will it feed on now? Didn't it hunt the blue banshees? Near the end, it was apparent both creatures were flying in peace with one another.
turnbuckle
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zoukka said:
Sucks for you, man. If getting the feeling I got after watching Avatar could only be caused by having bad taste, then I really hope I start developing bad taste for all sorts of things in life.
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