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[gdt]

Bah, I want it to break Wk1.

Edit: Which of course it still can.

 

[Dabookerman]

yeah, fuck 20 billion inncoent people beacose they aren't living in trees and loving nature, great logic there mate -.-


you didn't hear this one before? You have 2 train tracks, on one track there is a baby on the other 5 adult people, none of the will move off the train tracks by act of ROB* and there is a train incoming, you have to decide on which train track to reroute the train, do you kill the 5 people or the baby?

*edit: oh yeah people here don't know this one, ROB=random omnipotent being

Depends on the 5 people. Who are they? Random bums or Inventors, Composers etc?

 

[jett]

yeah, fuck 20 billion inncoent people beacose they aren't living in trees and loving nature, great logic there mate -.-

It's a movie, those people don't exist you know.

Not having large deposits of unobtanium probably won't doom the imaginary people to death anyway.

 

[FirewalkR]

Raped and murdered? When did that happen?

That's the point. It didn't, but as I asked in my previous post... who went back that can tell the truth, against Selfridge's word?

 

[Enosh]

Depends on the 5 people. Who are they? Random bums or Inventors, Composers etc?

random people, maybe one day someone of them will invent a cure for cancer and the baby will become hitler 2.0, or the other way around, thing is you don't know, they are all random people you have never meet, don't know their future or past and have no personal connection whatsoever with them

It's a movie, those people don't exist you know.

/facepalm

they exsist in the universe the movie has set up

 

[C.Dark.DN]

That's the point. It didn't, but as I asked in my previous post... who went back that can tell the truth, against Selfridge's word?

There was a long ass line of people going back. Why do you assume no one will tell the truth?

Also.. to name a name... did the mole that helped Jake escape and that warned Jake go home , stay, or die?

 

[Enosh]

Also.. to name a name... did the mole left helped Jake escape and that warned Jake go home , stay, or die?

I think I saw him at the end standing with the na'vi

 

[jett]

/facepalm

they exsist in the universe the movie has set up

So? At no point does the movie make me care for them. Nor does the movie point out that unobtanium is needed for their survival. Actually what the movie does point out is that the material is valued at a fuckbunch of money and that is the only reason RDA is in Pandora. For their own needs.

What Pandorapedia does point out is that Unobtanium is vital for RDA's survival, as it powers their interstellar spaceships and the maglev system they own. I say fuck RDA.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Raped and murdered? When did that happen?

And it was Earth's governments that demanded a peaceful means of communication with the Na'Vi...RDA is just a corporation. Truthfully I don't really care to talk about stuff that it isn't in the movie as I find that to be a massive waste of time.

We'll see what happens in the Avatar 2: The Naviquel.

Um...

corporate guy gets back to earth and tells them

Never said it did, the corporate guy will tell them that though, and so will most of the soldiers that survived.

So? At no point does the movie make me care for them. Nor does the movie point out that unobtanium is needed for their survival. Actually what the movie does point out is that the material is valued at a fuckbunch of money and that is the only reason RDA is in Pandora. For their own needs.

What Pandorapedia does point out is that Unobtanium is vital for RDA's survival, as it powers their interstellar spaceships and the maglev system they own. I say fuck RDA.

The movie really shouldn't have to do that, cause you know, as the view you are human, so you should know how you feel about preserving human life and all that.

And you know what my feeling was? Both of those guys were craptacular at military tactics. Why would they even use soldiers? We have robot assassins now! And when they saw they were massing from the satellite, why didn't they drop a bomb from said satellite, or some place close to it? You know, where dragons and arrows can't really kill you.

 

[jett]

Um...



Never said it did, the corporate guy will tell them that though, and so will most of the soldiers that survived.

That's a decently sized serving of assumption.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

That's a decently sized serving of assumption.

Right, because before that, there was nothing that Giovanni Ribisi said that would make me think, "Damn, I guess he changed his tune!"

 

[Medalion]

Giovanni's conversion from corporate sleeze wipe em out cowboy attitude to "Awwww...paw treez got blowd op...i sad dun wanna do dis anymo" didn't seem to make sense to me either if this is what we're talking about.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Um...



Never said it did, the corporate guy will tell them that though, and so will most of the soldiers that survived.



The movie really shouldn't have to do that, cause you know, as the view you are human, so you should know how you feel about preserving human life and all that.

And you know what my feeling was? Both of those guys were craptacular at military tactics. Why would they even use soldiers? We have robot assassins now! And when they saw they were massing from the satellite, why didn't they drop a bomb from said satellite, or some place close to it? You know, where dragons and arrows can't really kill you.

You dodged the fact that the movie and pandorapedia doesn't say the resource is needed for preserving human life.

Also, I thought the battle tactic debate was over? Bringing that card out again?

 

[Timbuktu]

I don't think it's ever implied that Jake doomed the human race, but I don't think his decisions in the movie were entirely noble. He was never in the RDA for long enough to know the people outside of his team that well and he prefers being a Na'vi. That's the perspective that we share as well. A lot of the other soldiers might be perfectly nice people, but had to make a living working for the RDA before Jake killed them, but we're not meant to think about that.

But I'm sure Selfridge mentioned some capability of contacting Earth, or at least 'calling' the corporation... maybe it was in one of those deleted scenes.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

You dodged the fact that the movie and pandorapedia doesn't say the resource is needed for preserving human life.

Also, I thought the battle tactic debate was over? Bringing that card out again?

I hadn't heard it, just thinking that if they had satellite images of the troops amassing, they had a target for the rods from god.

 

[Crow]

Forgetting about Jake, the Na'vi have utterly no responsibility to support humanities unrelenting consumption of materials, sacrificing their culture and many of their lives in the meantime. Humanity just rocked up to their planet and told them they're basically going to do what they want. At the end of it, and since the film states there's no longer any green on Earth, it suggests that Pandora would end up just as dead as the Earth making us comparative to locusts.

Now back to Jake, in Avatar he made a concious decision to leave humanity behind and become one of 'the people'. This happened well before he cast aside his human body. No longer does he serve the best interests of humanity, but instead the Na'vi. Of course both parties must seek what's best for them, but since he is no longer for humanity, but for the Na'vi, his decision to stand for them is justified. He's just looking out for his people.

As an audience we are following Jake's story, so it's little surprise we are sympathetic to the Na'vi since the stories narrative is explaining how Jake came to sympathise with them and why he made his decision.

That being said, I'd be sympathetic to the Na'vi anyway. RDA may not represent humanity, but it likely has world government backing if it's mining a resource the world economy has become reliant upon. A government backed military invasion of Pandora for Unobtainium would not be unlike invading Iraq for oil. For humanity to sustain itself it must grow and consume. I'd like to think Gaia bitchslaps us back to the stone age before we start destroying other worlds, or else where does it stop? We may as well be the Aliens in Independance Day, or the aliens from 'V' in that case.

 

[FirewalkR]

Still, they do have regular radio comms to earth, AND (iirc I read this on the game's pandorapedia) they have extremely (really extremely) bandwidth-limited FTL comms. But so do the ISV's I guess.

Perhaps Earth would send government people to check out what's going on, but they'd have to force RDA to transport them there heh.

 

[Timbuktu]

At the end of it, and since the film states there's no longer any green on Earth...

We only hear that from Jake in the movie though

 

[StuBurns]

We only hear that from Jake in the movie though

Jake says to look into Grace's memories, and considering he is 'heard' implies it is indeed true. And the scriptment describes earth's state in quite some detail.

 

[WrikaWrek]

I'm siding with Humanity on this.

Fact is, if this ever happened, we would eventually have to fuck them up because we need that shit bitches.

 

[Expendable.]

WKND BO: Avatar $75M/$212.3M, Sherlock $65.4M, Alvin 2 $50.2M/$77.1M, Complicated $22.1M, Up in Air $11.8M/$24.5M.

http://twitter.com/giteshpandya/status/7093869512

 

[Kaako]

^^Awww shieet?! :O
edit: wait, is that a trusted source?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I'm siding with Humanity on this.

Fact is, if this ever happened, we would eventually have to fuck them up because we need that shit bitches.

 

[gdt]

Thats what, like a 2/3% drop :lol ?

Awesome.

Hopefully Avatar beats Wk1 in the actuals.

 

[jett]

WKND BO: Avatar $75M/$212.3M, Sherlock $65.4M, Alvin 2 $50.2M/$77.1M, Complicated $22.1M, Up in Air $11.8M/$24.5M.

http://twitter.com/giteshpandya/status/7093869512

Will it increase again when finals come out on Monday!?

Hopefully.

I'm glad that the shitmunks got crushed at least.

 

[Expendable.]

^^Awww shieet?! :O
edit: wait, is that a trusted source?

yep, absolutely. Variety confirms it as well.

 

[Timbuktu]

I just think if there is a sequel, there is some leeway in the portrayal of Earth, it is vague enough in the the film and maybe it's best kept that way. But I would want Cameron to stray from the pandorapedia or the game if it serves the story.

 

[Kaako]

Will it increase again when finals come out on Monday!?

Hopefully.

If they count Sunday numbers it will surpass week 1 most likely. I know a fuck ton of people going today to watch it in 3D. The damn IMAX experience 3D ones are all sold out as well.
Guess I'm going to the RealD3D one.

Edit: Thanks DanielPlainview for the update! That's crazy. :O

 

[Expendable.]

Avatar scores 2nd best 2nd wknd gross of all-time right behind Dark Knight's $75.2M.

and fun fact: Top Non #1 Openings of All-Time: Day After Tomorrow $68.7M, Sherlock Holmes $65.4M, Wanted $50.9M, Alvin 2 $50.2M.

 

[FirewalkR]

Well, last week the early estimates missed by 4 mil. right?

 

[jett]

Next weekend will probably be massive again. It could reach 300 mill by next monday.

 

[Expendable.]

Well, last week the early estimates missed by 4 mil. right?

yep! I'm going to see Nine today, but giving my money to Avatar instead Every little bit helps.

 

[Enosh]

I'd like to think Gaia bitchslaps us back to the stone age before we start destroying other worlds, or else where does it stop?

That being said, I'd be sympathetic to the Na'vi anyway. RDA may not represent humanity, but it likely has world government backing if it's mining a resource the world economy has become reliant upon

so you would support the extinction of humanity (talking in general here, not specific to avatar) in order for an alien species to survive?

 

[gdt]

Avatar scores 2nd best 2nd wknd gross of all-time right behind Dark Knight's $75.2M.

and fun fact: Top Non #1 Openings of All-Time: Day After Tomorrow $68.7M, Sherlock Holmes $65.4M, Wanted $50.9M, Alvin 2 $50.2M.

Avatar could very much top that TDK record.

Edit: WAIT! Did Avatar top Wk1?!? Wk1 was ~$73 right? Holy shit it increased.

 

[Kaako]

Well, last week the early estimates missed by 4 mil. right?

Stop getting my hopes up, FirewalkR!

 

[Fox Mulder]

I'm siding with Humanity on this.

Fact is, if this ever happened, we would eventually have to fuck them up because we need that shit bitches.

probably..we are the evil space villians we put in movies like independence day.

 

[duckroll]

Why are people saying that TF2 isn't the top grossing film of 2009? Domestically, it totally is. Boxofficemojo's yearly charts are all domestic too, so it looks like TF2 is going to stay on top! Too bad for the haters.

Edit: Wow, Avatar has no chance of even going into the top5 for 2009. Too bad.

 

[Timbuktu]

I wonder if 3D/IMAX is making up more of Avatar's boxoffice. I pressume IMAX will be constant for a while, but even more people would be going to see it in 3D?

 

[WrikaWrek]

probably..we are the evil space villians we put in movies like independence day.

Because we need that unabtanium rock shit. We got needs to baby, you can keep your dragons and shit, but you gotta give us that, or if you smart up you fucking sell it.

Navi to become space dealers

 

[Meier]

yep, absolutely. Variety confirms it as well.

He runs BoxOfficeGuru.com fwiw.

 

[gdt]

Why are people saying that TF2 isn't the top grossing film of 2009? Domestically, it totally is. Boxofficemojo's yearly charts are all domestic too, so it looks like TF2 is going to stay on top! Too bad for the haters.

Edit: Wow, Avatar has no chance of even going into the top5 for 2009. Too bad.

Well, yeah, domestically.

 

[jett]

Why are people saying that TF2 isn't the top grossing film of 2009? Domestically, it totally is. Boxofficemojo's yearly charts are all domestic too, so it looks like TF2 is going to stay on top! Too bad for the haters.

Edit: Wow, Avatar has no chance of even going into the top5 for 2009. Too bad.

:lol If the avatrain keeps going full steam ahead there's no hope for the bayformers.

I wonder if 3D/IMAX is making up more of Avatar's boxoffice. I pressume IMAX will be constant for a while, but even more people would be going to see it in 3D?

Last weekend 3D screens accounted for over 65% of Avatar's gross.

 

[artist]

All Avatar needs is 167k more than these estimates, hopefully it does in the actuals.

Btw, the records for the subsequent weekends also have a good shot at going down:

SECOND WEEKENDS The Dark Knight $75,166,466
THIRD WEEKENDS Spider-Man $45,036,912 (-40%)
FOURTH WEEKENDS Titanic $28,716,310 (-36%)
FIFTH WEEKENDS Titanic $30,011,034 (MLK WEEKEND) (+4%)

Why are people saying that TF2 isn't the top grossing film of 2009? Domestically, it totally is. Boxofficemojo's yearly charts are all domestic too, so it looks like TF2 is going to stay on top! Too bad for the haters.

Edit: Wow, Avatar has no chance of even going into the top5 for 2009. Too bad.

:lol

Spoiler

No

 

[duckroll]

:lol If the avatrain keeps going full steam ahead there's no hope for the bayformers.

I don't think you get it. 2009 ends in 4 days.

 

[Zeliard]

Why are people saying that TF2 isn't the top grossing film of 2009? Domestically, it totally is. Boxofficemojo's yearly charts are all domestic too, so it looks like TF2 is going to stay on top! Too bad for the haters.

Edit: Wow, Avatar has no chance of even going into the top5 for 2009. Too bad.

It's fortunate that people outside of the U.S. also go to movies.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Because we need that unabtanium rock shit. We got needs to baby, you can keep your dragons and shit, but you gotta give us that, or if you smart up you fucking sell it.

Navi to become space dealers

well sure, at that point, it's easier to roll over others with superior technology instead of changing the ways that fucked our own planet. Still makes humans the dicks though.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

212 million 10 day gross?

Top 10 day grosses:
1 The Dark Knight WB $313,781,677
2 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen P/DW $269,024,709 6
3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV $258,364,766
4 Spider-Man 3 Sony $240,236,828
5 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $236,940,421
6 The Twilight Saga: New Moon Sum. $230,947,696 82.9%
7 Spider-Man 2 Sony $225,116,345
8 Spider-Man Sony $223,040,031
9 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End* BV $204,305,684 6


Some movies lower on the list made near a billion so I'm not trying to imply anything.

If anything it's impressive. It's the only original movie. All the others were sequels and well known franchises.

 

[Meier]

I don't think you get it. 2009 ends in 4 days.

Doesn't matter. Top film of the year is for films released in that calendar year -- officially, all grosses beyond the calendar year are still inclusive. Avatar will undoubtedly top it at this point.

 

[duckroll]

Doesn't matter. Top film of the year is for films released in that calendar year -- officially, all grosses beyond the calendar year are still inclusive. Avatar will undoubtedly top it at this point.

Oh, I didn't know that! I honestly thought it was just for amount of revenue generated in that year.

 

[jett]

I don't think you get it. 2009 ends in 4 days.

Avatar will always be considered a 2009-grossing film.

Bay will use his gazillions as kleenex tissues to wipe the bitter tears.