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[SolidSnakex]

they don't...this is the XBox fans' thread of graphical superiority...lets just say that games on other platforms can't even compete with the sheer...uh...texture effect pumping power of the XBox and leave realistic debate to other threads.

If you're arguing that RSC2 is superior to other racers in terms of technical abilities, I doubt you'd get much of an argument. But when you're discussing what actually looks better, then there's where the debate comes in. If we only went off technical abilities as to what makes a game look great, then DOOM 3 would constantly get voted over something like ICO as the best looking game ever.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

It looks better (RS2). Isn't that all the original poster had in mind? You don't have to like it better, or cry more. Christ, GT4 is the only driving game I want to play right now no matter what looks better.

 

[Omeyocan]

Best graphics, best racing game !!!!

 

[garrickk]

RSC2 looks stunning most of the time, but occasionally, going into hard right angle turns, pop up will be so bad that the wall doesn't appear until your right on top of it - even if you've slowed down enough to avoid it. Perhaps it only does this on a few track in a few places, but there are several places where you have to turn by radar or memory instead of by the visuals.

I think this disqualifies it from being the "best" graphically. Just my opinion.

BTW, I think I've had more fun with RSC2 (single player) this generation that any other racer. NFS Hot Pursuit on the PS2 came close.

 

[peedi]

No I am saving that for next gen.



Go play Dead or Alive Ultimate or DOA3.



Winna! :lol

I own DOA3, regrettably, and Tekken 5 poops on it rather liberally. Seeing how terrible DOA3 turned out, I haven't played DOA:Ultimate. Tekken 5 is the best looking fighter I've played this gen.

 

[peedi]

It's a relative term. I did mention the lighting technologies it used...and like I said it's real, real basic.

It's like saying that snow tires on tarmat have "no grip". Well of course it has grip, but in comparison to tires you'd usually used on paved roads, it sucks, right?

Basic or not, there isn't a racer with better lighting. Who cares how it's achieved? Instead of enjoying the games, some of you obsess over minutiae. BTW, GT4's lighting looks as good ingame as it does during replays.

 

[bitwise]

nah.

tekken 5 looks good, but DOA3 still looks better. Regardless of which one you'd rather play.

 

[Gregory]

RSC2 looks stunning most of the time, but occasionally, going into hard right angle turns, pop up will be so bad that the wall doesn't appear until your right on top of it - even if you've slowed down enough to avoid it. Perhaps it only does this on a few track in a few places, but there are several places where you have to turn by radar or memory instead of by the visuals.

I think this disqualifies it from being the "best" graphically. Just my opinion.

BTW, I think I've had more fun with RSC2 (single player) this generation that any other racer. NFS Hot Pursuit on the PS2 came close.

huh? That must be a streaming problem on your Xbox. The tracks are being constantly streamed off the disc. I`ve never seen anything close to this. In fact, I haven`t seen popup at all through the entire game, except some vegetation which is barely noticable.

 

[peedi]

DOA3's models and backgrounds are inferior to what I've taken from T5. No contest.

 

[Gregory]

DOA3's models and backgrounds are inferior to what I've taken from T5. No contest.

Ok, Futami. We get it now.

 

[Socreges]

RSC2 is one of the best looking games, period.

I dunno, RSC2 feels too "computer generated" (if that makes sense) rather than "designed". It just lacks a certain something...

PS2 exclusivity!

 

[Sho Nuff]

YES.

Now STFU nerds!

 

[shantyman]

huh? That must be a streaming problem on your Xbox. The tracks are being constantly streamed off the disc. I`ve never seen anything close to this. In fact, I haven`t seen popup at all through the entire game, except some vegetation which is barely noticable.

I thought it was fairly noticable. It was a necessary tradeoff I'm sure to maintain the framerate.

On another note, I am not sure anyone who has seen the Citta di Aria course in GT4 could say it is pushing less geometry than RSC2.

 

[Prine]

yes

 

[garrickk]

huh? That must be a streaming problem on your Xbox. The tracks are being constantly streamed off the disc. I`ve never seen anything close to this. In fact, I haven`t seen popup at all through the entire game, except some vegetation which is barely noticable.

My current XBOX is an "06" model bought last summer - but oddly has a Philips drive. I'm sure my XBOX is streaming data as quickly and smoothly as any other - it's immaculate and RSC2 was one of the first games I played on it.

Maybe you're not driving fast enough? shantyman agreed with me.

 

[Gregory]

My current XBOX is an "06" model bought last summer - but oddly has a Philips drive. I'm sure my XBOX is streaming data as quickly and smoothly as any other - it's immaculate and RSC2 was one of the first games I played on it.

Maybe you're not driving fast enough? shantyman agreed with me.

Well, he agreed on some vegetation pop-up, if I understood him correctly. Otherwise the game is literally pop-up free and I certainly haven`t heard about as extreme pop-up in the game as you`re experiencing. Maybe Op-Ivy, the RSC king can comment on this?

 

[Insertia]

GT4>*

 

[peedi]

GT4>*

Thanks for bringing to bear the obvious. GT4 is the best looking racer out. Period. Jeez, the game is absolutely gorgeous.

 

[FightyF]

Speaking of pop up...GT4 guys...it gets pretty bad. I've noticed pop up in all racers as far as track-side detail goes...

Basic or not, there isn't a racer with better lighting. Who cares how it's achieved? Instead of enjoying the games, some of you obsess over minutiae. BTW, GT4's lighting looks as good ingame as it does during replays.

RSC2 has better lighting that GT4...you can't dispute that.

But what you can say is that GT4 looks more realistic when you are playing. And I'm not really gonna argue it...I'd like to show you how RSC2 can compare though.

Lemme hook up my consoles to my PC right now...

What is/are the best looking track(s) on GT4? Heheh, I hope I have it unlocked! Name it and I'll record it.

Same with RSC2, what is/are the best looking track(s)?

Any car suggestions for either?

I'd like to record some PGR2 as well...

But in order to do this, I'll need some divx converter programs...when I record on the All in Wonder I think it records it to WMA...I hope that's small enough.

Lemme try to record some stuff and see how it turns out...

 

[MrAngryFace]

Funny, ive never seen it look that good while being played by my friends ;P

 

[isamu]

If RSC2 is the best looking racer(and I do admit, it is fantastic looking), then what does that make Trackmania and rfactor?

WTF there's trucks in GT4?

 

[demon]

I've never seen GT4 look that good. I recall always thinking the same thing when looking at GT3 screenshots as well. That first shot illustrates one area where RSC2 (even the first) is superior to GT*: the environments. The environments in RSC2 are organic and deep and expansive; look at the background in that GT4 desert shot....most of it is a freakin bitmap. Those shots also look great because of the image quality, and image quality is one area where RSC2 is king among console racers.

 

[PG2G]

Are those Photo mode screens or did you run them through a bunch of photoshop filters?

Either way, I'm going to have to say that RSC2 is by far the better looking game. GT4 is an incredible looking game, but it still suffers from a lot of image quality issues and I notice a lot of room for improvement. Maybe that will change when I finally get to try it in 1080i, but I doubt it.

 

[FightyF]

If you really want to bring Photo Mode into this...then we're gonna have to say that ATV Offroad Fury is the best looking title...nothing compares to the beginning FMV...it looks totally realistic. Sure, just like Photo Mode, you can't really play it, but boy does it look good!

BTW I had my Saturn hooked up and took some movies of SEGA Rally...the files are just too large...anyone know of any free programs that can convert to DIVX? TIA!

 

[shpankey]

Having played a ton of Rallisport Challenge 2 and currently playing the shit out of Gran Turismo 4 (yes on a Sony direct view profesionally ISF calbrated HDTV in 1080i mode)... I feel I can safely say RSC 2 takes the graphical crown.

The biggest problem with GT4 is the absolutely horrendous shimmering. It's so bad in some places it makes me cringe.

It still look wonderful, but RSC 2 graphics it is not.

p.s. just noticed those super high res super high antialiased and anisotropic filtered GT4 images above ^^^ as proof of it's superiority. Let me tell you, the game does not even come close to looking that good. which goes to my point i made above about the shimmering being atrocious. the thing is.... RSC 2 looks like the pics posted of it. when i play gt4 on my high end setup here, the shimmering just makes me want to puke. gt4 is weird like that; it's the one game i know that has the farthest seperation from high res pics to >> what we see in the end on our tv's. i mean more seperation than any game i have seen in this generation, period. this probably has to due with GT4 being so aliased and having so much shimmering, so releasing pics that address those major issues with the game makes the dramatic difference.

in most games, the high res pics usually come relatively close to what i end up seeing on my setup, especially in 480p (PGR 2 was one that didn't though, it is like GT4 in this regard, but not nearly as bad). especially xbox and gamecube games for some reason. but GT4's high res pics and the reality of what is on your screen in real life have a gargantuan seperation. the jaggies, but especially the shimmering just dominate all of the graphic backgrounds. it's just dot crawl all over the place.

p.s. the 1080i is no very impressive. but considering it's just a scaled up 480p image, that is to be expected i guess.

 

[PG2G]

shpankey, out of curisority... what sony direct view are you using? I'm thinking about picking up a new TV pretty soon and was looking at the 34HS420 (or the Toshiba HF/HFX models) or the 34XS955.

 

[shpankey]

It's the 36hs510.

 

[op_ivy]

Well, he agreed on some vegetation pop-up, if I understood him correctly. Otherwise the game is literally pop-up free and I certainly haven`t heard about as extreme pop-up in the game as you`re experiencing. Maybe Op-Ivy, the RSC king can comment on this?

i t hink i know what hes referring to, i just dont think its anywhere near as bad as hes making it seem. occasionally (i mean like maybe 4 or 5 places in the entire game), road sign geometry (its never large objects like walls) will "fade in" as you get near... i have a launch xbox for the record. the one with the supposed shit drive too

as gt4 looks no where near as good as rsc2 (or 1 ). it does look great, the cars especially just nailed the photo look. but the trackside detail is pretty poor. HUGE portions of backgrounds being bitmaps make some stages feel like old model 2 arcade games, where you feel as if your racing on this narrow band of geometry. some poor textures, low detailed structures and 2d trees. add all that to some poor IQ, and the somewhat frequent image "jumping" (which i guess isnt as apparent in 480p or 1080i....) and its very easy for me to claim that graphically, gt4 is trailing behind the xbox big titles....

all IMO of course. but it was fun to post

 

[Shogmaster]

I'll take diverse and dynamic lighting over GT4's VHS playback look any day.

 

[Gattsu25]

HUGE portions of backgrounds being bitmaps make some stages feel like old model 2 arcade games

[...]

all IMO of course. but it was fun to post

:lol Fun to read, too

 

[WhippinSean]

Where would games such as Resident evil 4, rebel strike, metroid prime, ratchlet and clank 3, GT4 and ace combat 5 fit in?

Probably up your ass?

 

[Crag Dweller]

I haven't played this game in a while but, I agree with op_ivy, the RSC king . There is some fade in but no pop up that I remember. Although to be fair everytime I took the time to admire the view( or check the split times) I would wreck, so I kept my eyes on the road as much as possible.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

I haven't played this game in a while but, I agree with op_ivy, the RSC king . There is some fade in but no pop up that I remember. Although to be fair everytime I took the time to admire the view( or check the split times) I would wreck, so I kept my eyes on the road as much as possible.

yea, I remember. Your times (and op_ivy's) were fucking insane. There is no pop up to that extent. There is environmental pop up all over GT4. And shaky cam. But no matter, it's an awesome game, I hope all the racer whores play both rather than belittle either too much.

 

[isamu]

Probably up your ass?

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Insertia]

^^^^^^^^^
I don't know, minus the blur and lack of HUD it looks identical to the GT4 on my TV.

 

[shpankey]

where do we get these magic tv's that get rid of shimmering and jaggies and scale the image resolutions up? :lol

 

[Insertia]

circuit city :lol

 

[Barnimal]

exactly. :lol

 

[Gregory]

circuit city :lol

Show me an ingame pic, with the hud, that looks that good. Thanks in advance.

 

[MarkRyan]

Best looking console racer?

Thankyousomuch.

 

[Insertia]

Show me an ingame pic, with the hud, that looks that good. Thanks in advance.

*searches through boxes for digital camera*

*can't find it*

*goes back to gt4*

 

[Minotauro]

Best looking console racer?

Thankyousomuch.

Not you again.


Also, I play GT4 on my an HDTV with 1080i and it simply doesn't look that good. The lines on the sides of the road in particular look completely different. They're completely jagged in the actual game.

Like others have said, the problems with GT4 come mainly from the image quality. The modelling is fantastic but it certainly doesn't make the jaggieness and shimmering unnoticeable.

 

[drohne]

outrun 2.

 

[Sysgen]

Not from a realism point of view but F-ZERO looks f'n incredible in progressive on my HDTV.

 

[shpankey]

tecnically, shimmering (aka: dot crawl) really doesn't show itself in a pic too much. you have to see it in motion to really see how bad it looks.

 

[ourumov]

F-Zero GX shits on all of them I played RSC2 and I wasn't particularly impressed...GT4 impressed me much more.

 

[FightyF]

F-Zero GX shits on all of them

I'll take some caps of that joke..I mean game as well.

 

[shpankey]

give me a real racer any day of the week.

 

[Blimblim]

I had made this video of one of my favorite RSC2 stage for a german site last year. It's not the most true to life track of the bunch, but the color and track detail diversity, combined with the game speed is just awesome :
http://media.xboxyde.com/misc/rsc2_german_shq.avi

 

[Kabuki Waq]

its funny how people claim GT4 is the most realistic racer ...when the actual racing is extremely unrealistic thanx to the AI. Sure the physics are amazing and the car models are great but whats the point when all the races suck ass?