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RTTP: The Evil Within (One) - Mikami's Flawed Masterpiece
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Yeah, it was tough but in a fair way. And like you say, the match lighting mechanic was genius
It was a long time ago but if i remember correctly on Akumo i think i spent all gel on the blinding bolts at the beginning so they were maxed out, or close to when i reached the burning house. On the bottom floor i used them to survive until i could proceed. Good times indeed
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Sorry to hear that. Hope you get a chance to play it with solid performance one day
The PC version had it problems too. I think you had to use a framerate limiter at some odd number like 58 or something even when v-synced at 60fps. After that it was smooth as silk.
Revolutionary
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Bumping this thread because I finally finished the game and had some thoughts.
I actually bought this game years ago (not at launch) but was always put off by the first chapter. It sets up the mood and atmosphere well, but gameplay-wise I found that first chapter to be quite frustrating with how your character is stuck with a limp for the entirety of it. It's a bad gimmick to start with IMO, as it's put me off from continuing the game several times now.
Anyway, this time I decided to persevere and beat the game (been clearing my backlog these past few months) and... I don't think it's a bad game but it is a deeply, deeply flawed game that is not a worthy successor to Resident Evil 4. It has so many baffling design decisions that get in the way of being a truly good game. And I'm not talking just game design, I'm also talking visual design: this is an ugly-ass game aesthetically. Poor anti-aliasing, cranked up contrast, excessive film grain, a variety of post-processing crap covering up the screen at times, etc.
But yeah, I don't want to shit on the game completely because there are some bright spots. I really loved the more 'open' levels like Ch 3. I also loved the first 10 or so minutes of the Mansion level... until Ruvik appeared directly in front of me with no way to react and instantly killed me. Like I said: baffling design decisions.
In conclusion: I still think Dead Space 1 is the only worthy successor to Resident Evil 4.
7/10
Edit: Oh and I absolutely loved the fake ending in The Consequence.
I actually bought this game years ago (not at launch) but was always put off by the first chapter. It sets up the mood and atmosphere well, but gameplay-wise I found that first chapter to be quite frustrating with how your character is stuck with a limp for the entirety of it. It's a bad gimmick to start with IMO, as it's put me off from continuing the game several times now.
Anyway, this time I decided to persevere and beat the game (been clearing my backlog these past few months) and... I don't think it's a bad game but it is a deeply, deeply flawed game that is not a worthy successor to Resident Evil 4. It has so many baffling design decisions that get in the way of being a truly good game. And I'm not talking just game design, I'm also talking visual design: this is an ugly-ass game aesthetically. Poor anti-aliasing, cranked up contrast, excessive film grain, a variety of post-processing crap covering up the screen at times, etc.
But yeah, I don't want to shit on the game completely because there are some bright spots. I really loved the more 'open' levels like Ch 3. I also loved the first 10 or so minutes of the Mansion level... until Ruvik appeared directly in front of me with no way to react and instantly killed me. Like I said: baffling design decisions.
In conclusion: I still think Dead Space 1 is the only worthy successor to Resident Evil 4.
7/10
Edit: Oh and I absolutely loved the fake ending in The Consequence.
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tommib
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What trailer is this?
TheDarkPhantom
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The game is a survival-horror masterpiece, end of story.
tassletine
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I think it's a masterpiece. I understand the criticisms but I think they're coming at the game from the wrong angle.
The game is designed to make you feel scared, and personally I've never been as scared or tense as I have here. The feeling of being chased / helpless is unparalleled.
What most people seem to criticise the gameplay, and it not being more of a power fantasy, when Mikami doesn't even seem to be aiming for that.
An example. The infamous letterbox black bars, that you couldn't remove when the game first came out. People HATED them, and from memory I seem to remember the main criticism being that you couldn't see the mantraps.
I thought the bars was a brilliant addition because it meant that you constantly had to be that much more aware of your surroundings. It added a lot of tension --When a trap came out of nowhere your heart ruptured!
So all the removal of the bars did really was remove that tension, and lean into the power fantasy a tad more, which I think hurts the intent of the game.
Ditto the dull characters. They're supposed to be detached. The whole game feels genuinely psychotic in a way few games do and the title goes way beyond the sum of it's parts.
The game is designed to make you feel scared, and personally I've never been as scared or tense as I have here. The feeling of being chased / helpless is unparalleled.
What most people seem to criticise the gameplay, and it not being more of a power fantasy, when Mikami doesn't even seem to be aiming for that.
An example. The infamous letterbox black bars, that you couldn't remove when the game first came out. People HATED them, and from memory I seem to remember the main criticism being that you couldn't see the mantraps.
I thought the bars was a brilliant addition because it meant that you constantly had to be that much more aware of your surroundings. It added a lot of tension --When a trap came out of nowhere your heart ruptured!
So all the removal of the bars did really was remove that tension, and lean into the power fantasy a tad more, which I think hurts the intent of the game.
Ditto the dull characters. They're supposed to be detached. The whole game feels genuinely psychotic in a way few games do and the title goes way beyond the sum of it's parts.
fart town usa
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I booted it up for PS5 a few months ago and played the first few chapters. I really appreciate the game but it's pretty rough.
I don't want to say it's too brutal cause I finished it twice on Normal when it first released but some of the mechanics just don't work well. The stealth is pretty awful and it just doesn't balance things out in a fun way with the lack of resources. I can't fault it too much considering it was Tango's first game. New Game+ really allows the game to shine.
I don't want to say it's too brutal cause I finished it twice on Normal when it first released but some of the mechanics just don't work well. The stealth is pretty awful and it just doesn't balance things out in a fun way with the lack of resources. I can't fault it too much considering it was Tango's first game. New Game+ really allows the game to shine.
SpearHea.:D
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Evil within 1 is a survival horror masterpiece. One of the greatest games i ever played.
Thank you mikami san and the team.
Thank you mikami san and the team.
FeastYoEyes
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I loved the first half and then there's a whole lot of garbage in the second half. The sections with the Vault head and the hook men are incredibly memorable though.
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AndrewRyan
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Never played before but noticed they're bundled together for $3.33/each. They look interesting but this thread paints a good picture and don't think I'd actually play them. Posting here in case anyone's interested.
_Idea_of_Evil_
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Part 1 is awesome. Part 2 imo wasn't bad, nice visuals but isn't as good as the first. I didn't like the new approach to Sebastian. He's a completely different character in 2.
I think 1 holds its own against OG RE4. The Evil Within is definitely more survival horror, whereas RE4 is an action game.
Danjin44
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I loved first TEW it has its flaws but it was atmospheric and weird (in a good way). While the second game did fix some of the problems but also lost lots of its atmosphere and weird parts made the first unique.
But biggest issue with second game was they didn't continues story of Ruvic
But biggest issue with second game was they didn't continues story of Ruvic
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NeverYouMind
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I am the opposite. I liked parts of the second half, but the first half put me to sleep when I played it a few weeks ago.
P.S. I think it has some interesting ideas, but it can't execute them to save its life. The stealth, sniper, and trap sections are some of the worst in any game I have played. The shooting and melee are barely functional. The pacing and progression of the story is very disjointed. The second game is an awesome experience from start to finish on the other hand.
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Grildon Tundy
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Dr.Morris79
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Indeed. I've got it on the pc but only played the console version, they ran like bum.
Time for a look.
Badlucktroll
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Konami should come to Mikami with an offer to do a silent hill
Hawk The Slayer
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It was pretty good and playing the Shadow of Rose DLC for Resident Evil Village reminds me of the Evil Within games.
Dirk Benedict
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After he basically dropped out of development... Whatever, bro...
Feel Like I'm On 42
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This game needs a patch so freaking much on console! I love this game but it's so damn rough to play
Feel Like I'm On 42
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The first game is all about it's atmosphere!
TintoConCasera
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Should check this one out, got both the game and it's sequel since god knows when and I still haven't gotten around playing them.
Prolly should have on halloween instead of playing the chore that's RE7.
Prolly should have on halloween instead of playing the chore that's RE7.
Arsic
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EW1 is good anytime of the year. It’s easy to get hooked on immediately.Should check this one out, got both the game and it's sequel since god knows when and I still haven't gotten around playing them.
Prolly should have on halloween instead of playing the chore that's RE7.
_Idea_of_Evil_
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Meanwhile, I platinum'd RE7 this October as my primary Halloween game.Should check this one out, got both the game and it's sequel since god knows when and I still haven't gotten around playing them.
Prolly should have on halloween instead of playing the chore that's RE7.
Definitely check out both Evil Within games if you're curious. Even though I don't think 2 is as good as the first, it's also worth playing imo.
FeastYoEyes
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It runs like crap on PC for me. Tried fiddling with pcgamingwiki settings and it didn't get much better.
NeverYouMind
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It runs like crap on everything. It was intentionally made visually noisy with low resolution assets and as a result nothing can clean that mess of an image.
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Judge Magister
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Good but not at RE4 or Dead Space level.
Chuck Berry
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Replayed most of this some months ago and I was surprised at how much I remembered and how quick I got reacquainted to the gameplay
The fucking Ruvic mansion level is so damn amazing. Like a little compact RE mansion squeezed into a single chapter.
The fucking Ruvic mansion level is so damn amazing. Like a little compact RE mansion squeezed into a single chapter.
Grildon Tundy
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Agreed. But Third-Person Survival/Action Horror has got to be my favorite genre, and what all is there?
Resident Evil 4 onward
Dead Space
Evil Within
Silent Hill 2 Remake
...?
Judge Magister
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Maybe you're right. There's the REmakes, Alan Wake 2, Callisto Protocol or this year Alone in the Dark.
Grildon Tundy
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Thank you. I knew I was missing some stuff. Of those, I haven't played the new Alone in the Dark. Looking forward to a deep sale and then I'll check it out.
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