(RUMOR) Liquid Metal Gate? PS5s (+ other devices) Using Liquid Metal Might Be Suffering A Dry Spot Problem

Has your PS5 randomly shut down while gaming over the past 12-24 months?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 5.5%
  • No

    Votes: 185 92.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 4 2.0%

  • Total voters
    200
  • Poll closed .
So it appears there may be a potential issue with various PS5 models related to liquid metal leakage on the MB causing systems to randomly shut down when certain games would otherwise create throttling issues. This is just a rumor (or speculation), but it's coming from an indie dev who was on the recent MLID podcast as a guest.



It's the second topic in the video


In the segment, they speak about how various players of their game using PS5s in a vertical position (and some in horizontal position), saw their systems shutting down randomly during play. It gets into the weeds with the same dev talking about "dry spot" issues they've seen in PS5s they've opened up (or that may be a repair shop person they know who's opened systems up to try fixing them), and that the issue could potentially be widespread. Affected systems wouldn't begin showing signs until a few years into use, they claim, as it's something which takes a while of the system running and (potentially) things like dust accumulation complicating matters preventing proper airflow, all of which could be contributing to the issue.

Keep in mind, they are NOT saying they know for certain this is a widespread issue, just that it's something they observed with people who played their game, and with other games that seem they were pushing the system with higher performance (versus, say, PS4 versions of games running on the PS5). The two also talk about ways SIE could handle the situation sanely if in fact it does turn out to be a more widespread problem.

Also before anyone tries saying this is FUD: well I don't know much about the dev but MLID seemingly plays a lot more on PlayStation than Xbox, and has generally been much more positive about PS5 this gen from a hardware & software POV than Series S & X. In fact I remember when they got attacked by Xbox fanboys early on for pointing out the Series X APU wasn't purely gaming-centric because it was also designed for use in cloud servers (which was true), and don't forget he's had NX Gamer on his podcast several times, who also leans PlayStation and has been very critical about Xbox in general for the past several years.

So this isn't like a Colt Eastwood or Austin Evans bringing up the topic: I don't think they'd be talking about it if there wasn't any proof. The only actual question is, how severe is it and how widespread is the issue? And like I said, they generally think there are several ways SIE can handle it without causing much commotion. Finally, they both say this is NOT just a PS5 problem: they touch on some laptops using liquid metal cooling that have been having a very similar problem. So it could be affecting several companies, for sure.

Has anyone here with PS5s experienced a similar issue in the past or more recently?

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EDIT: The devs HAVE reached out to SIE/Cerny, and they are aware of the problem. Affects early/launch models much more than slim models, but some of those are affected too. Also appears to be a much less frequent problem for systems in horizontal position.
 
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The PS5 has been in a vertical position since launch, no issues here. But I do recall a segment on the pro about improvements to cooling/liquid metal so it's probably far from perfect and Sony has also noticed potential issues.

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We spent quite some time conducting research on insulation when we were designing the original PS5. The basic structure remains the same in the PS5 Pro, but we made some improvements by adding fine grooves where the liquid metal is applied, so that the cooling effect is more stable. When we were doing research for the original PS5, we anticipated that semiconductors would continue to advance and become much denser, so we believed liquid metal technology would become crucial. It turns out we were right, and it was integral when designing the PS5 Pro.
 
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Vertical user here. I upgraded to the Pro and no issues on my vanilla console or the pro. I'mma keep on thumpin. Vertical for lyfe.

When I delidded my PC's cpu and used liquid metal between my die and the IHS it was vertical too. Lasted till I replaced it just like my vanilla PS5.

This does bring to mind the bitching I heard the other day from the fighting game competition complaining the Playstation 5 wasn't as hardy as some systems of the past. In that thread we discussed system abuse. I would expect system abuse to exacerbate this issue. Perhaps without such abuse most of us will never experience this. Knock on wood. There are enough PS5 system abusers that this issue should be very clear by now, so the fact that there hasn't been a widespread reported issue makes me think this is a nothingburger but as a male Karen I'm open to having Sony fix my PS5 for free if it ever fucks up. I just need the logic to not have any holes and the fact that the system abusers haven't experienced this en mass is a hole.
 
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Wasn't this some fud from a few years ago, that turned out to be bs?

I am guessing a few people had problems and youtubers and "influencers' took it to make fear mongering videos, for clicks.
 
Wow that would suck. Is there any way to replace this stuff with something else like paste or film? I see some fix tutorials on a search.
 
I suspect the bigger problem is PS5s getting clogged up with dust and reaching temps that are too high. I have a twice-yearly calendar reminder to open my son's unit, take the fan out and get the little blanket of dust off the heat sync. If I don't do that, his will overhead and shut down. His is horizontal though.
 
Had a launch model which i sold for a Pro.
I had it vertical since day 1 and used it daily, with 5+ hour sessions on weekends, for years.
Never had a single problem.
 
I follow video games and electronics repair channels and apparently the conclusion is that while dry spots can happen, leakage only happens when there is excessive force like the console falls/is dropped. It will also not always cause overheating because the cooling system may be able to compensate this by speeding up the fan. If your console is an old model and is vertical, try getting close and check if it's making more noise. If it is, maybe it's time for a preemptive maintenance.
Since around the Pro release, Sony added grooves to the liquid metal housing so i's less prone to this issue (https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...ent-solder-paste-from-leaking-from-the-socket)

there are also reports/reserach by northridgefix and thecod3r
 
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My launch PS5 has been standing verticle for years, has thousands of hours on it, i never power it down, it has very shit ventilation stuffed between my 65 inch tv and a wall, and I've never cleaned it out or even looked at it since I bought it and it has ZERO issues ever. 🤷‍♂️
 
Since GOWR my PS5 shutdown without a warning, i have to replace the liquid metal at least once a year to fix It.

My PS5 is the launch version.
 
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I've had mine vertical always, no problems so far. It's also pretty consistently in rest mode, with no trouble waking up.

Wasn't there similar fearmongering a while back, that the liquid metal could leak? That didn't seem to go anywhere after the initial rabble-rabble.
 
Whats the point of the poll? just because your PS5 shut down unexpectedly that does not mean it has an issue with overheating/liquid metal cooling issues, could be a software issue causing a crash, in fact its more likely it is software problem rather than a hardware one.
 
Mine did. But mine was also super dusty and worked perfect after dusting it out. So mines unrelated to the issue here.
 
I remember we had a similar post years ago and it was proven that people had the problem because their consoles were opened for fixes and never properly closed.
 
Wasn't this some fud from a few years ago, that turned out to be bs?

I am guessing a few people had problems and youtubers and "influencers' took it to make fear mongering videos, for clicks.

This isn't really the same thing from what I can tell. I.e they aren't saying systems are melting or catching fire due to high temps, which was always BS when it came about back in the day.

From what the dev is saying, this is a dry spot issue they encountered with some PS5s running their game. They did claim their game, after testing, was using around 233 watts on PS5s, so either the game's highly optimized and just demanding power consumption-wise, or it's not well optimized and that could be needlessly running up temps.

Wow that would suck. Is there any way to replace this stuff with something else like paste or film? I see some fix tutorials on a search.

I think they talk about some fixes done with laptops having liquid metal dry spot issues. Maybe applicable to PS5s, tho probably not exactly.

I suspect the bigger problem is PS5s getting clogged up with dust and reaching temps that are too high. I have a twice-yearly calendar reminder to open my son's unit, take the fan out and get the little blanket of dust off the heat sync. If I don't do that, his will overhead and shut down. His is horizontal though.

They actually mention that it's probably a compounding factor of leakage in addition to dust build-up/poor ventilation setups and whatnot.

This was bullshit years ago.

And it still is.

Maybe it is. We'll have to see if any further (legitimate) cases pop up online, preferably with proof. For all we know this could be a nothingburger. As in, maybe there are affected units, but it's so few in totality that it wouldn't warrant being called a mass defect.

I follow video games and electronics repair channels and apparently the conclusion is that while dry spots can happen, leakage only happens when there is excessive force like the console falls/is dropped. It will also not always cause overheating because the cooling system may be able to compensate this by speeding up the fan. If your console is an old model and is vertical, try getting close and check if it's making more noise. If it is, maybe it's time for a preemptive maintenance.
Since around the Pro release, Sony added grooves to the liquid metal housing so i's less prone to this issue (https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...ent-solder-paste-from-leaking-from-the-socket)

there are also reports/reserach by northridgefix and thecod3r

That's interesting. If so, I wish MLID asked the dev in the interview if the users who reported shutdowns had any prior damage with their PS5s. As, obviously, that would potentially cause long-term issues to manifest, but due to the end user's actions, not a problem in the build of the console itself.

Since GOWR my PS5 shutdown without a warning, i have to replace the liquid metal at least once a year to fix It.

My PS5 is the launch version.

Do you mind me asking, if you've ever dropped or accidentally damaged your PS5, or had a severe build-up of dust prior to opening it up to fix the lm issue?

Did this dev make a dolphin game?

Nah, I think that dev retired or went out of business. That game did like no sales 😂

Whats the point of the poll? just because your PS5 shut down unexpectedly that does not mean it has an issue with overheating/liquid metal cooling issues, could be a software issue causing a crash, in fact its more likely it is software problem rather than a hardware one.

Well we've got a community of PS5 owners here, so I wanted to see how many users might have ran into this type of issue.

You're right that a shutdown could be caused by things other than liquid metal leaking, but I hope those answering the poll make the assumption the question is in relation to them thinking their problem (if they have one) may be due to a liquid metal leakage.
 
I thought someone necrobumped the thread from 2020. What's the reason for this "concern" reappearing 5 years later?
 
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This can happen with any device using LM. Go look at forums or reddit posts about Asus z13 or g14/16 laptops. Happens to ps5 too also. LM pump out can cause some dry spots on the die causing overheats. LM is really finicky.
 
That's interesting. If so, I wish MLID asked the dev in the interview if the users who reported shutdowns had any prior damage with their PS5s. As, obviously, that would potentially cause long-term issues to manifest, but due to the end user's actions, not a problem in the build of the console itself.
This can for sure contribute to the overheating issue. Some of the repair videos weren't related to overheating but did have dry spots. Most were full of dust, which compromises the cooling efficiency, so if there's a dry spot, speeding up the fan will not work.
IMHO it's a minor issue that is a result of the moderately new cooling tech used.
 
Not an issue. I had this overheating problem and I opened it and spread the liquid metal around with a q tip. Not a single warning since then. Don't keep it vertical.
 
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This unit has been in my store since the launch of the system. We turn it on at 11 am and turn it off at 8 pm (9 pm Fridays and Saturdays).

No issues whatsoever despite being buried in dust for the first year of service.
 
Again with the liquid metal FUD, the console is almost 5 years old, if there was even the slightest massive problem it would have been known a long time ago and that's not the case.
 
Dry spots in the liquid metal on PS5's isn't a rumor. There's a lot of video on the repair YouTube channels that show it is a thing that happens and with liquid metal remaining liquid gravity is going to pull it downward. The rumor may be that it's a big problem, but it isn't something I've seen a PS5 die from on the repair channels. But the dry spots definitely happen.
 
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Do you mind me asking, if you've ever dropped or accidentally damaged your PS5, or had a severe build-up of dust prior to opening it up to fix the lm issue.
Never droped or got any damage, but dust was a problem cause some renovations (nothing crazy), my tech guy said that the problem is caused by líquid metal oxidation, i dont know if has any relation with this dry spot thing, but once he replaces the líquid metal the problem goes away.
 
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There is a reason many PC gamers stay away from liquid metal.
Yeah, it's an absolute pain to apply manually on your own and the benefits are not usually large enough to justify the pain and risk. Though this has nothing to do with a device that has it pre-applied from the factory.
 
Again with this crap ?

Both my base ps5 and ps5 pro has no issue standing vertically
 
It has happened with a small number of ps5s for sure. It's why Sony corrected this on the pro so the liquid metal couldn't leak out
 
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