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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Funny thing, i didn't even use him as a source. Wonder where he's getting his info from?
Back to the power talk. The NX doesn't need to eclipse or double the PS4 if the SCD's do what I think they do and Nintendo implements them the way I think they will.
I guess we shouldn't get greedy. Anywhere between PS4 and PS4K would be good, because PS4K games will need to be made with PS4 in mind as well.
I can live with that.
How is that the same situation at all? Do you really not see the difference between releasing an Ultimate version of the same game quickly and releasing a full-fledged sequel to a game that is already almost 2 years on?
A port of the previous game isn't a new game for that generation, it's exactly that: a port of a game from a previous generation. And we have no idea how long NX lifespan will be, so we can talk theoretically, but I would say I wouldn't expect Smash 5 before 2018 probably. 4 years after the original release of Smash 4, 2 years after this theoretical port. No one will feel burned by this.
NinjaCoachZ
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The casuals who give every character reveal trailer millions of views and tons of free coverage for Nintendo? I think they're the easiest crowd to please of all. There's no difficulty whatsoever in wooing them. People who don't normally play video games bought Brawl and are still buying it. Keep the crowd happy, give them what they want, and they'll keep coming back. Smash Bros is successful in part because of what a novel and appealing concept it is to this crowd.
Prioritizing FGC over casuals worked out pretty well for Street Fighter V. :V
You haven't addressed my suggestion that it'll be more than a simple port, which is the crux of everything I've been saying. If it IS, then I'd agree. I doubt Nintendo would just do a simple port though.
If Nintendo let Tantalus (a western company) port Twilight Princess, I don't think it's inconceivable that they'd get a leaky western company to port Splatoon and Mario Maker in order to free up staff at EPD. Not sure how likely that it would be, but it's possible.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Oh for sure very welcoming news, I want this new Nintendo to succeed and be a force in this market again.
Oh am I a legit insider now who gets all his posts taken as leaks?
everything I know about the NX is in the OP. That was just my own speculation. I still think it's ARM based, even if one of my sources is adamant on x86.
ouch lol
Yeah honestly I'd be happy with PS4 performance. If all games can reach 1080p at a good frame rate I'd be perfectly satisfied.
Oh am I a legit insider now who gets all his posts taken as leaks?
That was just my own speculation. I still think it's ARM based, even if one of my sources is adamant on x86.
haha okay gotchya
Poimandres
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Yeah, I'm with you on this. If the NX offers slightly improved performance over PS4 it's just a bonus. The most important thing is it offers easy porting with no compromises for 3rd party devs.
Not necessarilly. CPU being more powerful than XBO CPU is already noticeable. So, that's rather subjective. How much is "noticeable". Is the difference between XBO and PS4 noticeable? Also, maybe a newer GPU pushing comparable flops, can still be better. See how WiiU's GPU pushed less flops than 360's GPU but still outperformed it.
Are you sure? Because as far as I'm aware they just mirrored the game and had better support for widescreen. I've heard that maybe a few very minor things may have been updated, but the visuals are practically the same from everything I've seen. And that includes playing both versions in Dolphin.
foxuzamaki
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Why work on a port of splatoon when you can work on splatoon 2
Maybe they are working on both
foxuzamaki
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bruh
Angry Chair
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You are being very melodramatic over something simple and harmless. Ports don't take away from the development of new games.
No insider knowledge, pure speculation but here's how I think the power will work.
The NX is a software platform as much as a hardware platform. Looking at how 2 player mode works for Pokken tournament is a good start. Essentially it tapes 2 Wii Us togeather to increase the power so it still runs smoothly. I believe this will be how the NX will work. It will exist in 3 parts.
1 an ARM based handheld. Power wise it will run current gen games acceptibly for its resolution. Probably 720 0r 900p. This device will be able to output to a TV and mimic the Wii Us Dual screen
2. A custom likely X86 unit based on AMDs zen and Polaris architecture. You will be able to run games on this device probably on par with the rumoured specs of the PS4K.
3. This is where things start to sound insane. The GPUs in the NX handheld and home console will be able to communicate togeather somehow. Based on a scaleable OS. This in practise should allow a person owning both the handheld and the home console to pair the two devices togeather similar to an AMD crossfire style card for a greatly increased performance benefit. This may even work with up to 4 devices for local multi player.
If 3 is true then Nintendo can move to an iterative upgrade cycle, but replacing the home console every 5-6 years and the handheld every 2-3. This shared boost should allow people to feel comfortable buying the home console but also motivate them to buy the handheld.
The NX is a software platform as much as a hardware platform. Looking at how 2 player mode works for Pokken tournament is a good start. Essentially it tapes 2 Wii Us togeather to increase the power so it still runs smoothly. I believe this will be how the NX will work. It will exist in 3 parts.
1 an ARM based handheld. Power wise it will run current gen games acceptibly for its resolution. Probably 720 0r 900p. This device will be able to output to a TV and mimic the Wii Us Dual screen
2. A custom likely X86 unit based on AMDs zen and Polaris architecture. You will be able to run games on this device probably on par with the rumoured specs of the PS4K.
3. This is where things start to sound insane. The GPUs in the NX handheld and home console will be able to communicate togeather somehow. Based on a scaleable OS. This in practise should allow a person owning both the handheld and the home console to pair the two devices togeather similar to an AMD crossfire style card for a greatly increased performance benefit. This may even work with up to 4 devices for local multi player.
If 3 is true then Nintendo can move to an iterative upgrade cycle, but replacing the home console every 5-6 years and the handheld every 2-3. This shared boost should allow people to feel comfortable buying the home console but also motivate them to buy the handheld.
I think it's pretty safe to say Splatoon 2 is being worked on as we squeek
Savage. Well people asked for a new street fighter alpha so Capcom gave them an alpha state of street fighter v.
I don't see anyway else to address other than saying that I don't think it'll be more than a simple port, as I see no reason for it to be more than a definitive port with all DLC included with some degree of visual and a performance upgrades. The development cycle on the game is, as far as we know, done. I've already given multiple reasons why they would just do a simple port of the game in previous posts (which you side-stepped addressing) as opposed to turning Smash into a service randomly.
Honestly, you really haven't given much to back up your point of why you even think this. As far as I can tell, your only real point is that Smash 4 took a lot of effort, so they aren't going to do a Smash 5. And people will feel "burned" by a full sequel, despite the fact that Smash 4 is already nearly 2 years old anyway. I don't know, I'm not seeing where you're coming from at all.
Because you don't need to do a port in house, it's cheaper and faster to help build a library, and the main splatoon team is still largely free to work on the sequel anyway. There's no way they're not working on it given it's success though
Claude Augario
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In order for the PS4K to be a huge factor, the PS4 is going to need to be displaced - immediately - and everyone that bought one would have to be ignored. This also assumes that developers and consumers are going to embrace an incremental, unnecessary upgrade, and that all future games are going to put in the work to make a PS4K version worthwhile. The only way the NX could be put in a "Wii U situation" with the assumed level of power from the rumors is if Sony outright kills the original PS4 and there is no pushback.
Or basically a fairy tale.
I see what the problem is. You assumed I was talking about TPHD when I wasn't... I didn't catch the HD in your post. I was talking about the Wii version, which was visually identical to the GC one. What I meant was that hopefully this time around they do some upgrade work instead of just porting the game over with a different control scheme.
SilverLunar
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If Microsoft drops out of the console market, I can see this being successful somehow.
Can't wait for DKTF HD! Yay..
Can't wait for DKTF HD! Yay..
NinjaCoachZ
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I'm not sure how to respond to this, really...
I mean, if you're not seing why Nintendo investing a ton of R&D, budget, and physical capital (on Sakurai's part), Sakurai openly expressing that he's getting old, can't work on the series forever, and the sheer amount of content both at and post-launch, plus himself expressing how much he dislikes starting from scratch each time because it's such a waste of time from a development point of view and leads to popular things getting cut miiight be putting the state of this model into question a bit, then to be honest I really have no idea what to say. Sure, they could ignore that and press on, but I just don't think that'd be smart considering how long that'd take compared to just working with what they have. I simply think it's best for the series to evolve instead of thinking they have to waste time and resources reinventing the wheel every time, and there are reasons I believe that.
Let me try and find another analogy... Compare Square Enix's woes last gen (major JP devs in general, actually...) when they insisted on starting from scratch and developing FFXIII and Versus XIII with their own custom engine, to now when they're just doing everything in Unreal. Which worked out better for them in terms of public perception and the ability to put out games on a reasonable timeframe? Or Capcom's great success last gen doing everything on MT Framework, compared to this gen where insisting on hitting reset with Panta Rhei has crippled their output.
Not the best but it gives the idea across that in game development, it's better to work with an established framework than hit reset every time.
I think a totally ground-up new Smash game would be great. I just don't think it's feasible at this point to have it out within the next few years, or necessarily the thing that will work best considering how much work they'd be throwing out only to do over all again - a nightmare in the HD development sphere.
Angry Chair
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Yeah, his posts are annoying the shit out of me. Tantalus making a new game over porting one. lol
UnemployedVillain
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We know nothing about the PS4k CPU so why are people already saying PS4K > NX?
And before you mention the GU. it's not like they just take CPU, GPU and RAM and "multiply" them by the same number
And before you mention the GU. it's not like they just take CPU, GPU and RAM and "multiply" them by the same number
gundamkyoukai
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Nintendo isn't going to outsource Splatoon and Super Mario Maker for NX. If they were 10 year old games they might, but not at this critical juncture. Not too mention they require their internal network team as well. But I also don't expect any redone textures or anything like that. These will be literal ports with NX system specific enhancements and maybe an upscale or something. Again that's if they happen.
Not so insane at all:
http://www.arm.com/products/system-ip/interconnect/corelink-cci-400.php
Interesting
I know nothing about tech other than "8GB GDDR5 RAM? Sounds good to me since everyone else says it's good" lol
So if what you're saying is possible, then it honestly sounds cool. Though expensive haha
Considering how well Splatoon is doing in Japan, and what it's doing to Wii U sales there (i.e. shortages) I think they're going to try and create some kind of Splatoon bandwagon effect for NX sales.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177810233&postcount=3241
okay so at least i got the mario maker, splatoon, and smash parts right.
oh and zelda of course. zelda was confirmed the moment they announced the delay.
okay so at least i got the mario maker, splatoon, and smash parts right.
oh and zelda of course. zelda was confirmed the moment they announced the delay.
Fracture? How so?
The rumor states they're working to get the NX port to work with the Wii U version.
If anything, they'll make the pool even bigger.
Totally. I apologized earlier but this baby is going fast.
I agree; I'm figuring the Wii U version will be 720p and the NX 1080p. Not expecting a framerate increase, but would love if it did happen.
One million dollah
They outsourced parts of smash to Namco Bandai
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