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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Ok, thanks guys.
I think that's a bit optimistic, i'd put it anywhere from on par with Xbox One to slightly more powerful overall than PS4. But i agree, having lower specs than PS4K won't be an issue outside of some forums and youtube's comment section of Digital Foundry.Going by Emilys wording, I'd put it between PS4 and PS4K, which is fine with me.
But if I have to guess the reactions, most people don't even know how the hardware transfers into the visuals,
but they're going to be upset because it isn't some theoretical amount of numbers which they probably don't understand anyway.
Most important part for Nintendo is to achieve easy porting.
Even the PS4K has the big problem that there are already >60.000.000 PS4-Bones on the market,
therefore I don't see the problem if NX has lower specs than PS4K from this standpoint.
lol
Imagine smooth-rim cartridges.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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I don't think they'll go with carts.
I'm expecting a conservative console, similar to their competitors in most respects, but benefitting from a better CPU and whatever minor efficiency upgrades releasing later will bring. If there is a gimmick, I expect (or perhaps more accurately, hope) it won't be so significant in tech terms that it bumps the price past £250 / $299.
Let the software do the talking; that's a good enough USP for Nintendo. For too long now the factors that differentiate their home consoles have actually become a barrier to many. Whilst I've loved each and every one for their idiosyncrasies, the pool of people (barring the Wii) willing to look past them has been decreasing steadily. The boom of the Wii won't be repeated with a good enough gimmick, those people have migrated to mobiles and tablets.
A CPU better than the XB1 would place it nicely (I'm assuming to avoid the bottleneck some said the PS4 had on that side) in terms of power, as well as price. Anything more would be overkill right now. I doubted we'd see the benefits of a PS4k, and it makes even less sense for Nintendo - who need a competitively price machine - to follow that route.
A good box, that gives me Mario, Zelda, etc., eases the path to third party support and doesn't break the bank just makes too much sense.
I'm expecting a conservative console, similar to their competitors in most respects, but benefitting from a better CPU and whatever minor efficiency upgrades releasing later will bring. If there is a gimmick, I expect (or perhaps more accurately, hope) it won't be so significant in tech terms that it bumps the price past £250 / $299.
Let the software do the talking; that's a good enough USP for Nintendo. For too long now the factors that differentiate their home consoles have actually become a barrier to many. Whilst I've loved each and every one for their idiosyncrasies, the pool of people (barring the Wii) willing to look past them has been decreasing steadily. The boom of the Wii won't be repeated with a good enough gimmick, those people have migrated to mobiles and tablets.
A CPU better than the XB1 would place it nicely (I'm assuming to avoid the bottleneck some said the PS4 had on that side) in terms of power, as well as price. Anything more would be overkill right now. I doubted we'd see the benefits of a PS4k, and it makes even less sense for Nintendo - who need a competitively price machine - to follow that route.
A good box, that gives me Mario, Zelda, etc., eases the path to third party support and doesn't break the bank just makes too much sense.
MilkyJoe
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You're going to keep your PS4?
Herb Alpert
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Just another day on GAF!
this is probably the most quoted avatar lol
Captain Smoker
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Going by LCGeek's statement we already have a better CPU. Edit: than XBO/PS4
Their memory system should be at least on par, since they always invested in this department.
The GPU is the wild card, no idea.
NX is rumoured to have a better cpu the
an the ps4k?!
Nintendo going all out it would seem.
Captain Smoker
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No, better CPU than XBO, which has a better CPU than PS4. ^^NX is rumoured to have a better cpu the
an the ps4k?!
Nintendo going all out it would seem.
It would be nice if they went with flash cards like he 3DS it could have insanely fast read speeds if it could reach up to half duplex on that SD card.
It's not using cartridges so it's a flash based medium
NX is rumoured to have a better cpu the
an the ps4k?!
Nintendo going all out it would seem.
Isn't the PS4k rumored to have the same CPU as the regular PS4 with a better one being included if they decide to go $500?
Graphics Horse
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It's Mask ROM, but it doesn't matter since you can run games from SD card.
I wonder how big their on-board storage/HDD will be this time.
I'd assume it'll be more than 8 or 32GB this time....but I'm not convinced they'll go to 500GB/1TB.
120GB-250GB would be my guess...largely because Nintendo's own games tend to have pretty small file sizes compared to third parties (most of their Wii U games were under 5GB).
I could see that being something they'd save a bit of money on to try and keep the hardware cost down.
I'd assume it'll be more than 8 or 32GB this time....but I'm not convinced they'll go to 500GB/1TB.
120GB-250GB would be my guess...largely because Nintendo's own games tend to have pretty small file sizes compared to third parties (most of their Wii U games were under 5GB).
I could see that being something they'd save a bit of money on to try and keep the hardware cost down.
I like the idea having cartrigdes with internal memory like in good old times (or like on Nintendo's handhelds)
And for all the downloads just plug in something external.
If it's a cart based system, they wouldn't need a big hard drive.
Same. This thread is a testament to just how thirsty us Nintendo fans are for news.
Kissenkopf
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You don't inow that...spme rumors we heard earlier and now are coming again with a little bit more details. To be honest I think every rumor this time has some true elements and some fake shit. We will soon enough what is true and what not.
That is actually not a bad idea. It would be just a nice little touch to add to the experience. For all their cons, I loved the mini discs on Gamecube, and those rounded edges on Wii U games will never be acknowledged enough
Yeah, one of those ideas that sounds good at first until you actually think about it. Personally, I reckon if they go with carts, they should should be ROM only and should be treated the same as optical discs. I guess they could go the Vita route and make included save memory optional, but honestly I don't think it's worth the extra engineering expense, given how ignored it was on the Vita.
What gimmick?
Herb Alpert
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The no one.
On the topic about Emily "debunking" 10 k rumors. It seems to me that we should read more in to the exact information he claims to have received:
It nowhere says it's specs are 2x beyond of PS4. in fact it clearly states that raw power numbers are a modest increase. I read the part about performance for optimized games being 2x PS4 as he is refering to features inherent of a newer gpu. And I think we should know by now that the x metric is quite subjective.
I remember when IM used that precise metric when talking about Wii U and his impression was based on knowing the console was capable of rendering two screens with 360-like graphics, so for him it was 2x 360.
It nowhere says it's specs are 2x beyond of PS4. in fact it clearly states that raw power numbers are a modest increase. I read the part about performance for optimized games being 2x PS4 as he is refering to features inherent of a newer gpu. And I think we should know by now that the x metric is quite subjective.
I remember when IM used that precise metric when talking about Wii U and his impression was based on knowing the console was capable of rendering two screens with 360-like graphics, so for him it was 2x 360.
Then which console is Tool and Megadeth?
I just want a console that's slightly above the PS4 in terms of power, although preferably it should be as close to the 4k as possible. Even that could still not pan out, but I'd say that it at least has more signs pointing towards it, not just 10k's stuff. I'm definitely inclined to believe LCGeek's comments on the CPU.
They're rumored to have the equivalent of a $1200 PC for a $200 price tag.* Nintendo is going to completely clean up. It's already over.NX is rumoured to have a better cpu the
an the ps4k?!
Nintendo going all out it would seem.
*Source unverified/nonexistent
I was thinking about how Nintendo could implement offtv and dual screen gameplay (for games based on it, e.g. Mario Maker, Splatoon and cross titles with the portable assuming it will have a dual screen setup, or others that may benefit from it, like Zelda, Xeno etc) while still being able to build a console around PS4 specs and sell it for 299$ tops, and i had a crazy idea.
Nintendo treated the gamepad on the Wii U as mandatory, but it was actually optional in most titles, and they must have realized that this "discrepancy" in their message hurt them, especially considering how the gamepad was a huge factor in raising Wii U's cost but it didn't really convince people to buy the console. Now, multiple sources talked about the NX being able to connect to smart devices, but they didn't explain how or why.
What if Nintendo sells the NX with a standard controller (say, an evolution of the Wii U Pro Controller with wheel buttons and other improvements), but also includes in the package two "horns" with the same buttons layout, that you can attach to a slot where you put your phone (or something like those things you can already buy that add buttons for your smartphone, but universal, that works well and with the same layout as the new Nintendo controller). You have it in different sizes (small, medium, large), just like the slot on the Pipboy of the Fallout 4's collectors edition, and you can put any Android/iOS(/W10?) phone in there, to use it for offtv or additional functions. This would basically be smartglass done right, and while it wouldn't add any cost to the console SKU, it would still let you enjoy some of the WiiU's unique features without spending extra money. The only problem with it is that phones don't have the chip built in that allows for zero latency on the Wii U, and i'm not sure if this can create problems with offtv (e.g. not being able to display games at 60fps, like the Vita with PS4 games iirc).
They can also sell a Gamepad 2.0 standalone or bundle it with titles that require it, for people who don't want to drain their phones batteries or those who liked the original gamepad and would welcome a better version of it (or even to those few people that still don't own a smartphone but want to take advantage of the second screen). Think Super Mario Maker, they can sell the standard remaster for 39$ and the bundle with the controller for 89-99$, depending on how much it costs them. They can of course let you use the next portable too.
Obviously i'm not suggesting that this will be the NX gimmick, but rather one of the features of the console that would be offered without raising the cost of the machine like another controller with a screen (plus the new gimmick) would. Do you think that something like this is possible, and that it would work better than the mandatory Wii U gamepad?
Nintendo treated the gamepad on the Wii U as mandatory, but it was actually optional in most titles, and they must have realized that this "discrepancy" in their message hurt them, especially considering how the gamepad was a huge factor in raising Wii U's cost but it didn't really convince people to buy the console. Now, multiple sources talked about the NX being able to connect to smart devices, but they didn't explain how or why.
What if Nintendo sells the NX with a standard controller (say, an evolution of the Wii U Pro Controller with wheel buttons and other improvements), but also includes in the package two "horns" with the same buttons layout, that you can attach to a slot where you put your phone (or something like those things you can already buy that add buttons for your smartphone, but universal, that works well and with the same layout as the new Nintendo controller). You have it in different sizes (small, medium, large), just like the slot on the Pipboy of the Fallout 4's collectors edition, and you can put any Android/iOS(/W10?) phone in there, to use it for offtv or additional functions. This would basically be smartglass done right, and while it wouldn't add any cost to the console SKU, it would still let you enjoy some of the WiiU's unique features without spending extra money. The only problem with it is that phones don't have the chip built in that allows for zero latency on the Wii U, and i'm not sure if this can create problems with offtv (e.g. not being able to display games at 60fps, like the Vita with PS4 games iirc).
They can also sell a Gamepad 2.0 standalone or bundle it with titles that require it, for people who don't want to drain their phones batteries or those who liked the original gamepad and would welcome a better version of it (or even to those few people that still don't own a smartphone but want to take advantage of the second screen). Think Super Mario Maker, they can sell the standard remaster for 39$ and the bundle with the controller for 89-99$, depending on how much it costs them. They can of course let you use the next portable too.
Obviously i'm not suggesting that this will be the NX gimmick, but rather one of the features of the console that would be offered without raising the cost of the machine like another controller with a screen (plus the new gimmick) would. Do you think that something like this is possible, and that it would work better than the mandatory Wii U gamepad?
A CPU a bit weaker at some tasks and better at others, better RAM subsystem, slightly better and more modern GPU.
Milly Osworth
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We are at the same place as with the Wiiu threads now. Weaker than ps360, same, much stronger!!!!
Where did Wiiu end up exactly in the end?
Where did Wiiu end up exactly in the end?
Herb Alpert
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Doomed as always of course
I may missed this--which of 10k's rumors were debunked?
Meesh
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Whelp, doomed/desperate Nintendo is best Nintendo... I just hope what they have planned blows our hair back.
Bots are better than you
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Yeah, like it's going to be exactly like Wii U, Nintendo's worst selling home console ever, due to various reasons, including hardware related ones.
DownGrader
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Are there people who think that NX will be more powerful than PS4K? How long does it take us to declare that NX will literally be a Dragon Ball Z character?
Dark Cloud
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No and never.
Just relax. If these rumors are getting into some of your heads so much then step away and just come back when Nintendo has their Investors Meeting.
DownGrader
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That was s statement, not a question. Some people on the last page are thinking that NX will be more powerful than PS4K. Way to make themselves disappointed...
Thank you. So, no dummy controller gimmick, then. IIRC the gimmick she's debunking is the one where the controller can be taken around as a HH to stream remote play-style but doesn't have the full functionality of a HH. I think that could be been interesting but I'm skeptical how well the remote play would've worked, so I suppose I'm not too surprised if it's not the gimmick for the NX console.
I agree that the controller still has a high likelihood of having a screen in it. If so, I hope for it to be sleeker than the GamePad (perhaps with freeform tech) and surely with different messaging or less emphasis than the GamePad has had.
The12thGripper
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Then I'm out of this thread, see you all after the investor meeting.
It's kind of funny how people still discussion the power level in detail of the nx.
If the console is a bit more powerful as ps4 aor double the ps4?
"But the price have to be low."
While the question is,
- what it can do on screen
- if it does something new/unique.
- Why would we buy a NX (games, new experience?)
Thats what I"m searching for
If the console is a bit more powerful as ps4 aor double the ps4?
"But the price have to be low."
While the question is,
- what it can do on screen
- if it does something new/unique.
- Why would we buy a NX (games, new experience?)
Thats what I"m searching for
Claude Augario
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Technically none of them.
Emily Rogers said that the remote play "gimmick" and GPU/Polaris rumors were false, said that the NX had "good specs" but didn't elaborate beyond that. Basically a rumor vs another rumor, really depends on who you want to believe.
The typical fearmongers have been running around like the sky is falling, completely ignoring the fact that none of this is confirmed or official and we still know shit about the NX.
Honestly, this is all I care about. If it's HD and has a bunch of new, interesting games made by Nintendo, I'll probably buy it at some point.
My poor WiiU. It's such a great console, shame its life had to be cut short.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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It's kind of funny how people still discussion the power level in detail of the nx.
If the console is a bit more powerful as ps4 aor double the ps4?
"But the price have to be low."
While the question is,
- what it can do on screen
- if it does something new/unique.
- Why would we buy a NX (games, new experience?)
Thats what I"m searching for
I'm not sure what's so funny about it. Its specs and the gimmick (specifically, the technology it houses) are the two main factors that'll affect its price. And price is a major concern for a mid-gen console up against competition that will likely release refined, cheaper SKUs in the next year to eighteen months.
What it does, how unique it is, and the quality of first party titles will fade into the background - as will third party support - if it's dead in the water due to a high price point.
Probably below PS4 now
I don't know why people buy into rumours that happen to reference exactly what GAF users have wished for from Nintendo. All that reads to me is someone who lurks the forum and wanted to pander to the specific wishes from hardcore fans, in hopes of riling up a topic with a high page-count.
paragonpro
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I'll say ig again, but Nintendo's silence is deafening.
The problem with Arkam was that he came across more like a troll than a dev in his first posts. He was very adamant to "rub it in". Unlike Lherre who was always more neutral (yet basically said the same thing).
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