protomouse
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NX boxart leaked, new name confirmed. Nintendo Polystation is the future with over 1,000 games to play!!
I love how they threw Namco in there for whatever reason that doesn't make sense.
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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I love how they threw Namco in there for whatever reason that doesn't make sense.
Pancakes R Us
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Probably sarcasm on the part of Zoonami here, but if not...these fanboys are crazy.
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LPDDR4 can come in 1,2,3,4, or 6GB chips. Go read the post that you're thinking about again, it was edited. Nintendo would need four chips on a 256-bit bus, so you'd be looking at 8GB (4x2GB) or 12GB (4x3GB). Both would cost less than PS4's RAM did at launch.
Poor guy. If I ever get a leak of something, I'll keep it to myself. That will never happen, but still.
Edit: Oops, double post. I meant to edit this one in, but accidentally submitted.
I want him to deliver, again !
Yes, Nintendo sources wanted to debunk a positive true rumour for a hypothetical surprise reveal of ... what? Nintendo doesn't announce any kind of specs for their systems.
He's still firmly confident about the Polaris stuff tho
Dark Cloud
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I think he said he's not posting here until E3. Maybe I can give them my Twitter and they can tell me the leaks lol
I'm hesitant to really state an "at best" estimate given we don't have exact costs for anything and those were explicity rough estimates. And $4 bom already seems high for 3DS sizes (4GB ceiling), given someone else just sourced 64GB flash for $3/unit at consumer volume.
Savings on logistics aren't just a one time sunk cost either, it's repeated whenever inventory is moved or stored. Not to mention the other inventory variables I mentioned within retail (shelving, destruction, etc). This helps mitigate a lot of cost all around in the supply chain.
edit: rereading Terrell's statement he's not actually referring to 3DS capacities in his estimate, only manufacturing. Which makes sense, logically a 4GB card in 2012 shouldn't cost the same in 2017.
That's prolly because someone asked for a rundown of what's going on and you didn't mention the recent Polaris rumors or anything, just that you think it's less powerful than PS4.
A possibility I'm very much open to
But it's not the whole story.
DaSorcerer7
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And now you are assuming. You act like one of those cock-sure people. You wanna debate why they should release at $299, fine. However, when you speak in absolutes you show you are close-minded to simply what you believe. It would be stupid of me to actually have a serious debate with you about this. It would be like talking to a wall.
in 10k we trust
Which of the 3 who were wrong about the brainless Vita?
I think Nintendo could release a premium platform, but it would need to be a limited release along side a normally priced SKU. Like if they released a $300~ normal system but also say an aluminum/metal premium SKU with more storage at a larger price I think they could get away with it. Like, imagine a 128GB black plastic $300 system and a $400 256GB space grey/ champagne gold/ silver coloured metal sku sold in more limited quantities would that be so bad?
MatrixMan.EXE
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I'm perfectly willing to listen to sensible arguments. I don't know why me saying that $299 is suicide has offended you so much. Instead of trying to make assumptions of character and personal insults to a someone you don't know or have never met, tell me why you disagree.
No one knows anything for certain. Hell, I was adamant this thing would be weak af until 10k's post and changed my stance. Again, it sounds like you just don't like what I'm saying.
James Scott
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Reminder that people were throwing around the Polaris GPU around with >PS4K preform.
That's what Emily was debunking. Not sure how you could go from that to "noticeably weaker than the ps4"
It's possible, but nothing from the quote implies that.
She also didn't debunk the CPU claims
Don't expect Polaris and you should be fine.
That's what Emily was debunking. Not sure how you could go from that to "noticeably weaker than the ps4"
It's possible, but nothing from the quote implies that.
She also didn't debunk the CPU claims
Don't expect Polaris and you should be fine.
Skittzo0413
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He never said the GPU was a Polaris 14nm chip, and neither did his source. I think that's what Emily is "debunking" since people were posting dozens of pages talking about, specifically, a 14nm Polaris GPU.
Given 10k's posting habits, I'm willing to believe that particular source, which stated that the GPU uses some Polaris features and some Fiji features, but never gave a process size or any specific architecture. I doubt most devs would have any actual info on the specific chips being used, rather, the SDK might give them insights on the software features provided by the chips which might have been how this particular source got his info.
Again, 10k said take everything with some salt, but he seems like a pretty reasonable poster here, so if he's confident about that source's veracity than that's makes me lean towards believing it as well.
Edit: And I know absolutely nothing about what Polaris features or Fiji features could possibly be, or even what the hell Fiji is (haha) but I am good at reading comprehension and a stickler for semantics!
They both post on here, they can each post their own handles if they want people to know, I think.
That's prolly because someone asked for a rundown of what's going on and you didn't mention the recent Polaris rumors or anything, just that you think it's less powerful than PS4.
A possibility I'm very much open to
But it's not the whole story.
That's true. My mistake.
Yeah, I still have hopes for 10-20% faster than PS4, with 50% as the absolute best.
We don't know, companies change their strategies over time, during N64 GCN era Nintendo was very happy to share system specs. Sure, they changed that since Wii but doesn't mean they have some sort of internal policy about it, they always offer conservative numbers though, that's a constant.
Furthermore with Iwata's passing we'll probably see a transitional Nintendo, for better or worse.
DaSorcerer7
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Nah. The one who gave him the gpu info.
what is 10k's twitter
But this is my point. I'm saying you have a right to an opinion. However you spoke in absolutes. So it's not that I have a problem with what you are saying, it's that I have a problem with HOW you say it.
@tenkay23
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He said it was ok to post
The gimmick rumor isn't positive, and the power comments are super ambiguous, NX could be more powerful than the rumors suggest, or less, based on a Emily's comments on the power level you can't really draw any conclusions, so I wouldn't say they debunked a positive rumor. Beyond that, what power level? 10ks source on power basically said ps4 level to ps4k level, "polaris-like" etc. It's not even clear what power level Emily is referring to.
Could be that Nintendos PR is sick of external leaks controlling the PR around NX, real or not, so it's fairly easy to put out info that debunks current rumors that are gaining any traction. To me, all Emily's comments really did to this thread was, "welp, back to square one," and if I were in PR at Nintendo that's exactly what where I'd lIke the messaging to be at before the actual reveal.
Because NeoGAF.
$299 is the minimum. Underneath that and they would have to find something underpowered to play with.
$350 seems the sweet spot, as i agree $4 would be a hard sell even if the tech in the box is fully worth it. This device absolutely has to hit the ground running.
In keeping with the idea of brother consoles being released simultaneously, $200 for the handheld and $350 for the console, with a package being offered at $500 that includes a pack-in game for both.
I could see $250 for the handheld but Nintendo would have to make damn sure it was worth it after what happened to the 3DS.
I think he's serious, and he's technically not incorrect. No one at Nintendo's R&D and those with this information, would care about whatever the hell we're going in circles about. The info she has is obviously going to be second hand just as 10k's info is second-hand.
The bigger question is who is the developer who fed 10k this information (and who is feeding Emily this information, is it another developer?), as we know its a dev who told him about the Polaris-based operations within the API/SDK but never did said source claim actual Polaris and 14nm FinFET. As has been noted, that information does not actually conclude or pre-conclude 14nm/Polaris GPU, that was a conclusion that we jumped on in this thread and took to rather absurd heights.
The issue that arises from ruling out 14nm (which, I suppose, in and of itself has not been ruled out but common sense would generally err on the side of ruling out tech that is barely in production) leads to a very bizarre situation with the GPU. It, in many ways, leads to a conclusion that is effectively nonsensical unless AMD+Nintendo came up with a very bizarre but effective (both in cost and performance) amalgamation of feature sets between GCN 1.2 and 1.3. From a basic point of view, this would be MORE expensive than just making a 14nm Polaris GPU.
Of course, the way Emily worded her response could also be construed to be about Polaris 10/11 rumors that had been circulating as those are actual GPUs that one could get wrong... and are the only actual GPUs mentioned. Polaris in and of itself isn't a GPU its an architecture. You could have both rumors end up being true, end up with 14nm, but end up with a very custom GPU that is of the Polaris family but is considerably lower than Polaris 10/11 in performance and, as a consequence, price.
However, as the CPU rumor/leak hasn't been debunked and the GamerGirl information also remains un-challenged by Emily and others, one can still rather un-crazily conclude that we'll be looking at a CPU performance over the PS4 of roughly ~30-40% (or the equivalent smaller gains over the X1's CPU), and the GPU has to have had at least a 10-20% gain over the PS4's (not the X1s) to not introduce rather catastrophic bottlenecking in the opposite direction of what the twins are currently suffering from. Likewise the RAM also needs the throughput to make this feasible. All of this comes back around to Emily's notion of "specs are good".
Skittzo0413
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Nintendo come to me as you are, as you were, all over my face, I missed you
That's true about the OS. Just including a 64 GB drive would do it, everything else going to the cards. Just allow any optional USB hard drive to people to hook up and store whatever the want, digital or otherwise, and I don't see the problems!
Well, I think the thing is from the OP that games like Splatoon and otherwise will be remastered just for the NX from now on. There would likely be no cross play between Wii U and NX versions. The only real way to facilitate that would be to have the second screen, you're right. But, it sounds like they are retooling the games. Otherwise, you could just download Splatoon onto NX digitally and pick up and play! But, it seems "different." Good points though!
Again, it's rumors vs. rumors with the power. Plus, 10k and Rogers can have different sources say different things and either one not be wrong in what they're hearing. They aren't 1st-hand privy to anything anyways, so people getting uppity about it is just a bit much.
Honestly, for $250-299 in November 2016, it's not unreasonable at all to expect the NX to be as powerful as the other systems. And there's nothing wrong with that. Even Sony and Microsoft see nothing wrong with that. Sure, they are releasing "update" systems, but they seem focused on 4K TVs (not even many people have them), VR (not even many people have them), and focused on their current install bases (who may not want to upgrade yet, thus making it important that their games be targeting the original system...it's just like Sega Genesis, 32x, CD, etc. all over again!). It'd be plenty enough competitive. We just don't know what 11th hour hardware decisions they are making anyways and some could be knowledgeable to whatever they last knew about, which could be old information.
By the by, it'd be great for 10k just to join back in. Just ignore anyone questioning your sources and such and just join in the speculation like you were doing before!
Also, go Vena!
Exactly, thanks!
DaSorcerer7
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Well said, Vena.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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NDA 10K confirmed a launch title for the NX developed by Nibris.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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From 10k's Twitter
Soo yeah, I'd say seems he was having his chained pulled based what appears to be a complete lack of verification (as well as him saying some of his sources "ran away") Though he did get the 4 NX ports corroborated at the least...
Soo yeah, I'd say seems he was having his chained pulled based what appears to be a complete lack of verification (as well as him saying some of his sources "ran away") Though he did get the 4 NX ports corroborated at the least...
Skittzo0413
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Off topic but lol at this ad I got at the bottom of this page.
NX to stream advertisements confirmed
Off topic but lol at this ad I got at the bottom of this page.
Nintendo is finally expanding into new markets.
Going by his own post, 10k forgot to mention that his source told him that GPU is a combination of Fiji and Polaris and instead he went to post as info the speculation that it's a 14nm Polaris, which is in fact Thraktor's speculation, which fits perfectly (very close to confirmation bias) to Thraktor previously taking about Polaris being maybe used for NX (but in the handheld).
Also the developer has no access to the real devkit, just to the SDK, but he knows perfectly that it's a combination of different architectures and knows how much the performance can be optimised, again only from the SDK.
Even without trusting Emily, there are tons of red flags.
Not even touching the probability of Nintendo going for a console that costs many hundreds of dollars.
Also the developer has no access to the real devkit, just to the SDK, but he knows perfectly that it's a combination of different architectures and knows how much the performance can be optimised, again only from the SDK.
Even without trusting Emily, there are tons of red flags.
Not even touching the probability of Nintendo going for a console that costs many hundreds of dollars.
I'm guess that ins't possible?
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