How did the Wii sell millions without GTA, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Battlefield, Far Cry and every other big name game that skipped it?
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Majukun
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actually,for what i know, spain and Italy are the biggest "sony countries" in europe really
but that just seems to demonstrate than other than maybe the UK ,all of europe seems to be "sony-centric"
With a great 'hook' that got people talking. The Wii-mote.
SmokedMeat
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Wii U was expected to get the same ports as 360 and PS3, and that didn't happen. The console still went ignored. Even ports that did show up were missing features or dlc.
That alone tells you that Nintendo's problems go beyond simply needing a box on par with the competition.
Nobody's targeting 4K.
AnthonypUK
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So if you ignore the current gen nintendo isn't far behind? say what now?
In the UK in nearly every retail store i've been too, the nintendo section consists of Amiibo and thats it and they sit, along side disney and skylanders, but next to zero presence for console/handhelds.
I know, but I wanted to make a point. You don't need all the big name games, yes they can help sell your console, but sometimes Nintendo can do without them as seen with Wii.
That's on the publishers, not Nintendo or the Wii U, or does Nintendo need to pay for those missing features.....
Majukun
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the list of problems the wii u had was really,REALLY big
so much really that I predicted its demise and the motivation behind it months before the console was even on the shelves..it was just one dumb decision after the other
No, there were day and date ports too. They didn't sell because people who want to buy violent high-production games are not an audience that's ever been cultivated by Nintendo. Sony did that since they were created, but to highlight it even more, look at what the creators of Jak, Ratchet and Sly did on the PS3.
I used to think the same thing, but the PS4K leak kind of showed (imho at least) that Sony's margin on PS4 may be higher than we thought, and the tech may be even less expensive when the NX comes out.
That being said my original specs were a bit below Xbox One, and while i'm a bit more optimistic with all these sources reporting the same thing (and basically agreeing with the WSJ), i'm still not ruling that possibility out. As long as it doesn't go below 1tflop and the price is right, it could be enough for me.
For media content? Might happen. For games? Nah.
Another rumour by Liam Robertson:
I don't know if I should trust this guy. I trust Emily, but I've heard Liam does not have a good rumour reputation.
Since Retro is apparently working with Yoshio Sakamoto, I wouldn't doubt that they're doing Metroid, but, I mean... it's a TiLMEN rumour.
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/720163007452573696
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/720163007452573696
I don't know if I should trust this guy. I trust Emily, but I've heard Liam does not have a good rumour reputation.
That is not a rumor by Liam, just him commenting on a rumor spread by TiLMEN - who is one of the least trustworthy sources on this planet
HawthorneKitty
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tilmen is garbage
Mr. MondayNight
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How is third party devs either not giving DLC even for single player games or flat out saying no DLC sometimes before for the games were released Nintendo's fault?
True..although I have to say that Retail presence for all things gaming has dropped massively in the UK (although at least PS4 and XB1 still get some shelf space).
You could argue that the lack of presence for anything Nintendo in certain regions is the thing most likely to push Nintendo to releasing a digital only console. No point in trying to keep retail happy with physical product... when they won't carry your physical product anyway.
ninjablade
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Lol it's not sometimes, it's one time, and it was lighting in a bottle, chances of that happening again are slim to none.
Liam has such a bad rep that afaik, threads based off his rumors ended up getting banned.
This doesn't make sense to me IMO. Basically no part of it makes sense except the remasters, which do.
Year late ports is not why Assassin's Creed 3 and Call of Duty were atrocious bombas at launch but whatever.
Year late ports is not why Assassin's Creed 3 and Call of Duty were atrocious bombas at launch but whatever.
SmokedMeat
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Dude, the Wii is the only console in the history of the industry to buck the trend. It was a fad.
As much as some people want to deny it, it is the very definition of it.
It was quite baffling that EA didn't put the whole trilogy for the Wii U's launch, especially when they did the same thing a year later for the Mass Effect trilogy on the PS3/Xbox 360.
Thanks. No idea about who Tilmen is (Nintendomination could be? My memory is playing with me), but I won't pay any attention to him. Same with Liam. I got hyped, and I shouldn't do this to myself never more.
SmokedMeat
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You think the evil publishers/developers all just gather around a table to conspire how to screw poor Nintendo over on content?
Yeah, somethings not right.
Sorry. We were going to give you a 3DW port since it's one of the GOATs and dessert vres to be played by more people, but we didn't know what a Wii-U was.
Signed, the Anti-Hyphen Wii U Truth Squad
Is it doing that poorly there? Bizarre. I wonder at what point it becomes even more evident to gamers that the Xbox and PlayStation experiences are ultimately too similar to justify the existence of both.
Unfortunately, I have to second this as true to my understanding of core gamers as well. Well said and to me very accurate.
You make some cogent points, but we have to ask which system came crashing down. Weren't not familiar with any Nintendo system with a hyphen in it.
Sincerely, the Anti-Hyphen Wii U Truth Squad
Did a mod end up coming in and confirming this?
Eolz
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Which part? Power, ports, posts above, everything...?
Not really seeing too many problems apart from some details (like splatoon and architecture/ease of port).
Wasn't the reasoning for a lot of that the state of Nintendo's online/account infrastructure?
Wii had Far Cry.
lol
Mr. MondayNight
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The people who wanted to play those games were turned off for different reasons I had people who understood why the Wii didn't get DLC buy Wii Us but not buy CoD because there was no clear answer on DLC.
I thought so too, but other games came out with DLC why is it that smaller studios could do it no problem ever Nintendo themselves when they released games where it was a viable option but these big companies had so much trouble, I don't see it being the main reason at all, IMHO it couldn't have been because no DLC but Nintendo's should exist if that was the case.
What the hell are you talking about? Who said anything about a conspiracy?
DrROBschiz
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Seems pretty legit to me!
Thanks for compiling this info 10k
Thanks for compiling this info 10k
Nintendo's online infrastructure allows for DLC? I mean, Smash and Mario Kart use it.
I hope to be wrong, but I would say set your expectations pretty low for discounts on these remasters. For example I don't think Sony offered a discount on TLOU Remastered to PS3 owners.
To be fair, I do see your point, but the Wii lacked many of the kind of hot games you're referring to and was able to be a massive success with its own kind of hot games.
ETA: I see this was covered on both sides of the argument above. I do see both sides, and there's no question Wii U had a third party problem, it's just not clear to me what the best solution to it is.
It doesn't make sense to me to be a different architecture than the handheld, which will surely be ARM. It doesn't make sense to me to be more powerful than the PS4 (power is not important to Nintendo's success historically, it increases the dev costs of their games unnecessarily, and it puts technological distance between the handheld and the console). It doesn't make sense to me that the console is their primary focus (the line about the New 3DS shoring up the 3DS for 2016 is really based on what, exactly?).
There's always going to be a reason.
Activision, Disney, Ubisoft, and WB all released Wii U games in the last year. Activision & WB in particular released multiple games.
Captain Smoker
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Publishers have no restrictions to upload DLC and use whatever monetization method they want.
They just have to do it.
Now it does, but the WiiU at time of launch was pretty different from how it is today. It's possible that they relaxed requirements or improved infrastructure to make it possible later on.
I think what's really meant by "primary focus" is that the console will come out first, which makes sense considering the Wii U needs a replacement much more than the 3DS does.
I don't agree, personally. The Wii U is obviously a catastrophic failure, but Nintendo absolutely has to protect its real revenue generator and likely the core of its future gaming business, the dedicated handheld market. I'm surprised they are putting so much focus on consoles. I mean, obviously I understand why they want to do it, but it's a market where I feel the chance of them being boxed out is higher and the risk is lower (it's already eroded from their business). The N3DS is not meaningfully prolonging the life of the 3DS, especially in Japan, so I would have thought the handheld would be out first. Prior to this last rumor run, I thought for sure that would be the conventional wisdom.
I'm guessing they need more time to think about and develop their handheld strategy, whatever it is.
The industry outside of a few titles dropped the PS3/360 faster than anyone could have imagined. Most of that is due to the nature of the modern industry that has now consolidated around a few engines etc.
Nintendo gambled on longer term support of PS3/360 during development of the Wii U but the 8th Generation of software was already in development on engines Nintendo did not design for.
Mr. MondayNight
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As there should, I bought and played both CoD games on the Wii U, BO2 and Ghost but the lack of new content (and BO2 having god awful hit detection) made me play those games a lot less than I would have if there was new content, or even a bigger more active community, I mean it's why I keep playing Splatoon new content every so often and it satisfies my shooter fix.
samuraidino
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They can have all the power in the world, but if it's another Nintendo consoles without third party support and multiplats then its just going to be the wiiu all over again for them.
The multiplatform big games, the tentpole releases, the blockbusters, a huge majority of them don't hit the Wii-U. You know this. Stop trying to intentionally miss the point.
Personally, it doesn't make sense for them to be in the hardware business at this point. Shrinking handheld market and competitive console market. Majority of People that buy their consoles are only in it for their exclusives and I can't see them pulling anybody else away from the established ps4/Xbox ecosystem. They are better off trying something unique and hoping they catch lightning in a bottle again like the wii.
SmokedMeat
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So how well did Witcher 3 and Black Ops 3 do? Mortal Kombat?
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