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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Supersonicclank
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Nintendo lost me as a gamer with the Wii.. Just say'n.
frankie_baby
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This is always the worst argument imo. Don't expect Nintendo fans to buy gimped ports that are better on other consoles.
I would say I am a bit more interested in how MS react to everything and they do have a few games I am super interested in seeing more of (ReCore, Crackdown, Scalebound etc) but I am certainly keeping an eye on what Sony and Nintendo do. The PS4K stuff is interesting, as is the NX (NX probably because it might be the only place I can play Monster Hunter lol)
Come on E3!
Oh my god, you found the gif. That's my favorite gif. It's happening all over again.
Unlike Wii u, though, the rumors are that this is a powerful system. For Wii U the rumors were that it was only slightly more powerful than PS3/XB360, so the realistic ones knew PS4/XB1 would crush it in a year. We'll see how it pans out.
I will 100% buy 3rd party games on the NX, provided they're not Sony/MS's table scraps, like they have been for the last ~15 years. Give me a good port, and I'll 100% play it on my NX over PS4. Every time. (Assuming NX isn't a pain in the ass to play, for whatever reason - nintendo needs to help out, too).
Calamari41
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A lot of it depends on their strategy. They know they need great games quickly... I could see a scenario where they barely change the Mario Kart 8 engine and make an iterative sequel very fast. It's an amazing game, and they don't need to reinvent the wheel here. They are likely going to be adding other Nintendo characters, too, which will differentiate the game big time. Taking this approach, they could have a full Mario Kart 9 ready to go in about the time it would take to make a large DLC pack. If it is the same engine as 8, they could even throw in the MK8 tracks on the disc if they felt so inclined.
Or they could reinvent the wheel, and they would still be on track for a 2017 release date going by the turnaround time for previous Mario Karts.
Labolas
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Alright someone won the thread with this Fifth Element gif.
Give me a port of Bayo 2 and I'll buy it.
dragonyeuw
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jhmtehgamr20xx
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Read between those lines. It's obvious by now the real reason the Wii ended up being what it was (hardware-wise).
The funny thing about this Gif is whilst it was completely off-base for Wii U, it's about 90% accurate for the PS4.
Lupin the Third
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Funny how timely that is... Shenmu[e] 3, Kingdom Hearts III, Final Fantasy XV? Still not out yet, and this was a Wii U prediction GIF. lol
DrROBschiz
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It probably doesnt hurt them to throw in 4K capability
It might just be a forgone conclusion with the components they are sourcing
If they are buying mass market contracts then why not if they are already making capbable chips?
You guys forget that they dont build these things themselves
jhmtehgamr20xx
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So Sony's around $42 billion now? Impressive if so.
How do you figure?
As long as the GPU is at least on par with the XBO (which is what I'm expecting), ports shouldn't be too bad. The biggest issue facing Nintendo and third party support is the SDK and documentation. They've been atrocious with that in the past and it has made ports to their consoles even worse than they should be.
That -was- the real reason.
Sony and MS even stopped including HD connectivity in the box with the 360 and the PS3 after the launch window. Both the PS3 and 360 just came with composite YWR cables for the rest of their run in the standard SKUs.
The Wii U was actually the first console to only include HDMI, standard.
And even within HD, 720p is still the most adopted HD resolution.
Absolutely perfect...bravo
Yeah I agree about the strategy. I just don't think Nintendo would put Mario 3D and Mario Kart close together hence why I disagree on a 2017 launch. Now they could surprise us and have something for mid 2017 then I see it. Of course if Nintendo gets bold and put Mario 3D at NX launch with Zelda...then all options are on the table lol.
But this is the type of speculation I like lol. I'm not a hardware nerd and ultimately hardware talk is a lot of posturing and dick-measuring. People can't have serious conversations about that.
LegendofLex
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Literally every decision made when developing the Wii or any of its successful games was predicated on "how can we change what we're doing so we don't leave a bunch of people behind?"
The lack of HD penetration meant that making an expensive system would be making people pay $100s extra for a feature they didn't need. That wasn't going to happen, just like it didn't happen during the first half of PS3's life.
I don't see how there's some secretive "real" reason that isn't consistent with the stuff Nintendo was saying about their strategy with Wii out the gate.
Calamari41
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Looks like Sony is at 35.3 billion and Nintendo is at 20.8 billion.
PCs are just starting to do 4K gaming with graphic cards that cost an arm and a leg and all 3 major platforms can't do consistent native 1080p gaming.
Come back when all games on all platforms are native 1080p before even talking about 4K gaming on consoles.
No, $36 billion.
4k support is just going to be for upscaling and UI resolution, not native rendering. Most modern GPUs support it and if they're using the current HDMI spec there's really no point in not including it.
But it's soooo hard. You're telling me to not buy the awesome game and instead buy the not as awesome games.
I'd only expect a 4K scaler sitting on the video output at most. Native 4K isn't really possible in a console at a price point anybody can afford currently. You're pushing 4 1080p screens worth of data at once.
RealityPales
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MisterR
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No what they should do it introduce the console now at their own thing. Sell us on the console itself and then E3 should be a huge blow out of games that will be coming on it. Trying to do it all at E3 for the Wii U and not even really showing the console, was one of the big early problems with that device. People came out of E3 thinking it was a fucking Wii controller.
DrROBschiz
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Im just saying 4K spec in components might just be a standard feature
I know nothing but its like HDMI specs and shit
Calamari41
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I hear you for sure. Given the fact that 3D World came out in November of 2013 and Mario Kart 8 came out in May of 2014, I could see the same stagger this time. It's been enough time, and I think it's very possible that a new 3D Mario will be ready for launch this Fall and the next Mario Kart will be ready in Q2 or Q3 of next year.
My worthless prediction is 3D Mario, Pikmin, and Smash at launch, with Zelda a couple of weeks after. It's not overkill IMO, as Nintendo needs to hit it out of the park. Throw Retro's game in there too, or launch it in Q1 of 2017 with Mario Kart 9 a couple/few months after. Sprinkle upgraded ports of the top ~10 Wii U games throughout the first couple of years while you're at it.
It's funny because most of the games talked about in that gif are actually real now.
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Bosman's cartoon was based on previous rumours. Anime eye's PS4 has yet to show it's full hand rumour wise.
Boy Wander
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You missed out on a ton of great games. Your loss. Just say'n.
Bosman's cartoon was based off other similar rumors.
I think a lot of people aren't aware this gif was made for Wii U hype, lmao.
Sainsburys and Tesco both stock Nintendo products, usually being the top 10 games from each console plus amiibo.
They give them no where near the same shelf space as Sony or Microsoft, but that's understandable. This time in the Gamecubes life, only GAME and Gamestation plus a few random local game stores sold GC games.
How about games that get ported from WiiU and were already running in 1080p?
MatrixMan.EXE
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It can be the most powerful console ever but if there's no market for it, it won't sell. Pretty straightforward, actually.
Coming off the Wii U, Nintendo's biggest worry isn't power. It's whether or not there are enough people who actually want their home console offerings to justify developing dedicated home console hardware. NX will tell all. We shouldn't assume that if NX is powerful it'll get a tonne of third party support and do better than Wii U. I'm actually surprised at how often I've seen this mentality in some of the NX rumour threads. It's a tad naive.
IronicSonic
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I would really love a Nintendo console on par with current gen consoles, third party titles and a strong support of Sega. I'd probably become single console user again
Make it happen Nintendo!
Make it happen Nintendo!
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That doesn't mean much last gen was technically HD, despite a significant number of it's games being totally not HD. I mean this refresh will be 4K in the same manner. As in really but but marketted as such.
Yup. Wii was SD only because it's GPU was nothing more than a die-shrunk and over-clocked Flipper. Flipper was hard limited to 480p because it only had 2MB of framebuffer and Hollywood had the exact same limitation. Breaking that limit would have required a major redesign of the chip, which would have defeated the whole point of sticking to the same architecture. The "HDTV penetration is low" line was really just a justification for their choice, not the actual decision driver.
If the NX doesn't support 4K it'll be for a different reason to the Wii.
Pancake Mix
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You've heard wrong. France, Germany, the US, and Canada are all far more competitive for Nintendo than the UK, and there are fewer issues with brick and mortar stores not stocking Nintendo products in those countries. It's a UK problem.
DrROBschiz
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positive word of mouth from the core fanbase will help
certainly worked for PS4
They come out of the gate with a good system, great features, and maybe ever sell their STILL FREE online?
They have options
Eh... nobody commented on the concept yet. Nobody knows about the hardware. Read the OP.
Portugeezer
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Mario Maker has to happen, but then I worry they will wait longer for a new Mario game if true.
Boy Wander
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It also makes literally no sense for them to be ahead of Xbone & PS4 from a resolution perspective. It's not as if 3rd Parties are going to make NX their lead platform unless either a) they're exclusive / money-hatted or b) NX sells like hot cakes and the other 2 tail off.
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