The 3DS sold 50+ million units, it would be fucking stupid if they dropped a dedicated handheld line. Too much money to be made.
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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The 3DS sold 50+ million units, it would be fucking stupid if they dropped a dedicated handheld line. Too much money to be made.
Strong 1st party lineup, close to third party parity, somewhat better specs, whatever NX's gimmick being compelling.
There's more than one pool of gamers for them to pull from and if they get a healthy 3rd party ecosystem set up, they're going to retain kids in their ecosystem when they grow up and become core gamers.
They have at least some relationship with all the major publishers but EA, Take 2, and Bethesda. As I mentioned before, just out of Western publishers, Activision, Disney, Ubisoft, and WB all published Wii U games in the last 8 months.
If NX is what's rumored, it can run Frostbite/Ignite engines pretty easily and that makes 95% of EA's games an easy port job. So that shouldn't be a huge challenge to get them on board.
It's daunting, but not the impossible task some people make it out to be.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
He mentioned that they would be developing for 1 platform across several form factors the entire point and reasoning for this was they couldn't support two different systems. So yes he implicitly said cross library.
That's what NX as a platform was supposed to fix.
I think we haven't any rumors about the handheld version because Nintendo has the chance to keep pushing the 3DS until the very last. They don't have any sort of competition there and they are going to release the next generation of Pokémon this holiday wich will sell loads. Wii U is the one that needs to be replaced ASAP.
Of course it will
thelastword
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Well, there may very well be more than one reason. Nintendo has been on the low end of 2 consecutive hardware generations, now that the Wii-U has failed relative to the Wii, I think it was kinda expected they would launch something more beefy around mid-way the XB1/PS4 cycle. If you look at Sony's trend this gen, they've attempted to 1up the competition in every case, hardware, software launches and VR. They always want something of theirs to be going up against a major release of the competition.
The way I see it, Sony now has the mindshare for better multiplats, If Nintendo comes along and Need For Speed is now running at 60fps, Mirrors Edge is at 60fps there, some of that mindshare may dwindle and they can lose some momentum, not withstanding that the beefier PS4 can boost their VR launch and also combat's MS's 1.5 plans as well.
It's also very possible that Nintendo launches their new hardware this year, so in all likelihood, it will be the first product which they feel they have to compete with in 2016.
Spyder_Monkey
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It might be a different thing. But it's not the NX.
I've come up with a bit of a crazy theory. There is a problem with the handheld and console playing the same games when the NX is at or above the PS4, and that is that the handheld simply couldn't be powerful enough to directly port games, there would just be a ton of wasted resources. This problem simply exists with a 480p to 540p handheld and a 1080p console, however there is a solution... a 4k console, now third parties, especially western ones would target 1080p still because there is no way that NX would be powerful enough for 4k PS4 quality games, however games that would play on the handheld with say 128gflops on GCN 1.3 or Polaris (Polaris for the handheld is likely if it is AMD simply because the handheld would almost certainly be 14nm as there is no quantity issues with chips of this size.) These games would run at 4k on a PS4 level piece of hardware, and 128gflops polaris gpu @ 540p would have ~2x the performance of Wii U @ 720p.
TL;DR: Nintendo and their handheld 3rd parties makes handheld games at 540p that are ~2x more graphically impressive than Wii U, then up port these games to the console more powerful than the PS4 @ 4k. Then finally, Western 3rd parties port PS4/XB1 games at 1080p. This would give the Console an absolutely huge library of games, even without western 3rd parties, the library would be far larger than Wii U's, feeling more similar to the combined software of both 3DS and Wii U.
Nintendo games simply don't really need that much performance, but 4K would make Nintendo games far better, as their IQ is probably the biggest blemish they have. They could of course still make exclusives for the console at 1080p if they ever wanted to really show off.
Filthy Casual
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Interesting
James Scott
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Yeah, maybe.
It's a bit weird that speculation went from sub Xbox One console releasing after the handheld to rumors stating above PS4 with the console coming first.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
They have plenty of competition their, their marktshare is being rapidly erode, the 3Ds hasn't even sold a half of the DS. It's far more company critical and in danger.
The thing is Nintendo can't afford to fuck that up otherwise it's game over.
I don't think they'll be on board unless the NX has a modern online infrastructure that's at least on the level of what the Xbox 360 has. Online connectivity is the major way the vast majority of publishers get any kind of longevity with their games.
Exciting times ahead. I'm so thirsty for information, I could drink a lake.
So, a few times I've seen May 9th thrown out there. Are there rumors/speculation going around that points to this date as the reveal for NX? Can someone shed some light on this? Haven't been able to keep up with the whole thread, so I apologize.
So, a few times I've seen May 9th thrown out there. Are there rumors/speculation going around that points to this date as the reveal for NX? Can someone shed some light on this? Haven't been able to keep up with the whole thread, so I apologize.
DXB-KNIGHT
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"Yeah but the NX doesn't have blast 4K processing"
I understand that but all rumours are pointing to the handheld coming much later or being secondary. That, to me, is a mistake.
Spyder_Monkey
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Since you asked this question a couple times before:
1. May 9th is a rumor that comes from twitter. Probably doesn't mean anything.
2. Handheld is implied to be a different thing and much less powerful so don't expect a "shared library" that was heavily speculated upon and games to be downported if it does.
3. No
The quote mainly refers to making the architecture between handhelds and consoles similar to make porting over software, that will fill gaps in their respective system's lineups, easier. If you want an example, look at the Donkey Kong Country Returns port for 3DS, expect more stuff like that. Nowhere does he state that they'll be fully integrated, sharing the exact same library across both the handheld and console, at this point they haven't even decided how many form factors they're going to have. But judging from these rumors, and the amount of money they've made off of a dedicated handheld line, they're sticking with a proper handheld device that won't be coming out this year.
nes
snes
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gc was basically a tie
it's really only wii and wii u that they went with the underpowered + gimmick controller strategy
LegendofLex
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I could see handheld debuting first in Japan, console debuting first in the West, and then the other form factor releasing sometime in 2017.
Holy that is awesome, first time seeing this... It was a short demo but it looked more "3D" then most movies is saw in theater... Amazing i just don't know if there is a big performance hit in a visually intensive games
ShadowFox08
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Holy crap. I totally forgot about Mirror's Edge 2. I hope we get it, along with Mirror's Edge 1.
frankie_baby
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3ds has a pretty packed 2016 in Japan, handheld is definitely coming second everywhere
There's not much to back up May 9th I think. According to the reddit rumor thread (search for May 9th on the page) it comes from a random YouTube user and for whatever reason people picked it up.
Bitch Pudding
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You realize you will see everything in 4k as your output, right?
There is no performance hit because it isn't 3D (two viewpoints for two eyes). It's standard rendering except the camera moves with your head.
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Saint Titanfall
Which is what I'm arguing, you implied all that that has gone but considering what mentioned here makes little sense if the purpose was to combine platforms to that degree. Noone said every single game would work or work perfectly on both platforms, hell even in the ipad comparison there was intially separation, but this is much closer than simply ports between the two
AcademicSaucer
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Dont know if this has already been posted, but someone on reddit compiled the rumored games in an image.
Herbspiceguy
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God, the hype levels.
Don't disappoint please.
Don't disappoint please.
This is something I'd really like! Even without playing as Callie and Marie, just more single player content would be great. As much as I love Splatoon's multiplayer, I also found its single player content to be excellent.
Some more local muliplayer options would be great too. I had fun with what was there, but some more modes would be nice.
NinjaCoachZ
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Dont know if this has already been posted, but someone on reddit compiled the rumored games in an image.
Whoever made this should add that Trev said to take the two FFs with a grain of salt, but otherwise, god DAMN if this is true this is a hell of a lineup.
First I've heard of it. I know Verendus has mentioned such a thing for Playstation though.
Before his big, legit 3DS lineup leak, he mentioned he heard from a source that it was coming, but he wasn't sure of it. It got taken down with his later legit leaks.
perfectchaos007
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Wonder if mario maker NX will have a smb2 USA template. That should spice things up enough to warrant a new release. Offer the paid dlc to Wii u owners of course
I think that in a globalised world that's a disaster. You're just going to upset fans with that approach, and upset devs, cause localisation issues. I don't see the advantage of it.
Look at the reaction when the US didn't get the standard N3DS.
I know I'd be upset if Japan got the NX handheld long before Europe.
Thank you. Were you waiting for me to asking multiple times to see if I really cared enough to be worthy of a response? XD
In all seriousness--isn't it still possible we get a HH with a mostly shared library of significantly downported games? Or is the rumored tech side of things making that less likely?
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Saint Titanfall
4K Bluray, nah Nintendo is too cheap for that. Wii and wii u don't even support regular dvd's due to licensing. you'll get 4k for games or apps. Probabaly just apps.
Drilbit777
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That would be pretty damn good if Nintendo got FFXV and FF7 remake on NX. That would mean that KH3 wouldn't be out of the question considering it runs on unreal engine 4 and would probably sell alot better than the XONE version.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Didn't that happen with the 3DS hell didn't that happen with the XB1. I mean the PS4 launched in Japan months later
Trev said he didn't really trust the source he heard that from or something of that effect.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I think Bayo 3 in development is more likely
LegendofLex
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How is it a disaster? Consumption habits aren't globalized, and the primary benefit of different form factors is that they allow for different consumption habits. It's not like Monster Hunter is going to get a global launch anyway, and Pokemon inevitably won't show up for a year or two.
I highly doubt the average consumer will know or care what kind of hardware is out in Japan already.
Dont know if this has already been posted, but someone on reddit compiled the rumored games in an image.
If all of those came true then that's a pretty solid list of games for NX's first year.
Agree. Better Bayo 3. Why buy the same game again? Bayo 2 works perfectly, and the graphics are cool, no graphic update is needed.
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