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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Why? Nintendo makes use of all sorts of outsource studios.
So, repeat of the GamePad?
Yikes!
I don't think we can expect that. We never got the same controller twice for each gen.
If we still get a screen on a controller, it will be allot smaller as the gamepad.
But they have current active teams. These aren't generation old remasters where the teams long moved on. Plus all the network and controller design complexities really would require the original designers. Hell both might be influencing the controller design.
Remember how the Pikmin 1 and Pikmin 2 and Donkey Kong Jungle Beat Wii ports were all done by the same teams. This is the exact same scenario.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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No, they didn't. Read Nola-Gaffer's post again, and some others. Hell you could Google or Wiki this to know what's what.
Maybe it's a mental thing with them. The hardware would be capable but not so ridiculously capable where they don't feel guilty for leaving so much potential untapped. And you're right that most devs (not just Japanese but I'd argue many Western ones too) are not maxing out PS4's power currently. There's still a lot of things regarding GPGPU compute that's probably not fully optimized by them yet, and the PS4's best-looking known games so far either just recently came out (Ratchet + Clank), or are around the corner (Dreams, Detroit, UC4, Horizon, Gran Turismo Sport).
Fair points.
Nostremitus
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Doesn't Nintendo usually outsource their ports? ...especially when a new console is coming out and they need their teams focused on the future, not rehashing previous work?
dragonyeuw
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So, repeat of the GamePad?
Yikes!
No way. I think the gamepad has kept Nintendo from doing a substantial drop on wii U hardware. NX needs to be designed in a way to allow for price drops, its crazy that the ps4 and xb1 arent much higher in price than the wii U at this point.
lol no kidding. Amen.
Just to reassure you, those comments are from June 2015.
I can't wait! (My very 1st Neogaf comment)
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DeuceGamer
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During Wii U speculation period there was a thread that contained all of the information on what each of Nintendo's developers were working on. Do we have anything similar to that now?
I realize we won't know exactly what each is working on, but listing their last project with some details on what they may be working on is always interesting. Would love to see that now.
I pretty much agree. Probably smaller and maybe with freeform screen tech.
I don't know that we're aware of any current project for them. I think another port is a pretty good possibility. Could be a HH port given the spacing of their release schedule. Perhaps DKTF for HH NX.
That same thread has been updated here and there. I don't have a link handy, sorry, on mobile so searching is difficult. 😅
Hero of Legend
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Diddy Kong Racing 2?
Panajev2001a
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I do not understand what happened in terms of supply chain management to make it so. Are suppliers unwilling to give them sweet deals on very large shipments as they do to competitors? What can explain the GamePad high price tag today?
Kissenkopf
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The tech behind it. You didn't find any other device, in 2012, which had the streaming tech like the Wii U had. Nearly without any lag you streamed a full game on your Gamepad or a movie. Some games even doubled the image so any lag had been seen much quicker if you would have compared gamepad and tv. So they put all their effort in the streaming tech but in the end it wasn't mindblowing enough to gather any attention.
JohnTinker
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I think I missed the mod comments, what has been said? Was 10k ever officially verified?
I'm skeptical as to whether the GamePad will have a direct successor or not in terms of the next controller having a screen or not. However, I see your points for sure. Heck, I think it's actually more extreme than you said. I think XB1 and PS4 were as cheap or cheaper than Wii U this last holiday.
Pokemaniac
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It's probably the custom Wi-Fi chip. The thing is actually somewhat non-standard.
I sure hope so. I still don't see why the original rumor would have been made up by the source. Though, it was a while ago now and projects do get scrapped. Here's hoping though!
I think they still need a controller with a screen, but it'll resemble something like the patent in size and be pretty cheapo and not meant for streaming more than a simple UI or minimap (again, to make Splatoon work).
They can't let the controller drag down the whole device from a funding standpoint again.
They can't let the controller drag down the whole device from a funding standpoint again.
Not really. Nintendo doesn't have drop the price. They know the system is dead. A price drop wouldn't get that many systems out. Maximize your profits.
Don't think the GamePad has anything to do with it, inflation and price stability has kept the actual useful models of the 360 and the PS3 at 300$ as well
And the fire sales of the Wii U that failed to move units proved the price of the Wii U wasn't the issue
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I guess I don't get this. Rumors are no third party has or even knows about a devkit for PS4K and that a devkit only exists at Sony, yet we know the power already? How does that make sense?
Dark Cloud
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jhmtehgamr20xx
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One of the other rumors for the controller basically described the entire surface as being a screen but with shaped/embedded clear physical buttons on it, that way the vision isn't obfuscated in any way. Not sure about the analog stick(s), but perhaps theoretically it wouldn't be so hard to do the same, or maybe they would be replaced by something closer to a trackball surface with haptic sense and feedback, able to measure not only degree of movement but velocity, speed, tilt etc.
Basically something like a natural fusion of Sharp's free-form screen display but not sacrificing physical buttons or visible screen estate. So all the other ideas (like context-sensitive button prompt displays in/near the buttons) would still be possible.
At least, that's my ideal evolution of the Wii U pad; cuts down on size bulk, streamlines the ergonomics in the design, expands display interactivity and functionality, and integrates current standardized controller features. Win win win win.
geordiemp
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Do you think that Sony, MS and Nintendo apply the same mark up to a costed console ?
I do not know, other than Nintendo themselves keep mentioning Nintendo like profits ? What does this mean, other than they believe they can command a higher mark up and still get the volume ? Or does it refer to software ?
Cant wait to see the 3 designs taken apart to see what choices are made....
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sony is developing for the NX? This is breaking news! Lol
Just messing of course
Haha I fixed it for clarity.
That's essentially what I meant. The PS4 vs Xbox vs NX ports will likely be very similar.
For example:
Watch Dogs 2
XB1: 900p30 with dips into mid 20's
PS4: 1080p30 with dips to mid 20's, has more AF, more particles, better shadow resolution and longer draw distance, Better AA.
NX: 1080p30 with no dips, more particles than PS4, same AF, same AA method and draw distance, same texture resolutions and shadow resolutions as PS4.
You'll likely need digital foundry analysis of third party ports to tell major differences between NX and PS4 ports. Kind of like how sometimes you still need it for XB1 and PS4 ports.
Prevolition
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All this spec talk and power comparisons won't mean nearly as much once we know what will set the NX console and handheld apart from other traditional consoles.
Since Nintendo is launching mid-gen they'll need more than just power comparability for porting to stay relevant for more than three years.
Since Nintendo is launching mid-gen they'll need more than just power comparability for porting to stay relevant for more than three years.
The common theory is a shared library between all their NX devices and more frequent hardware iterations. Kinds of like apples model with iPhone and iPad.
You know what? I don't care anymore. I posted some info I heard and some people shat on me for it or accused me of writing fan fiction. I tried to do people a favour by sharing some interesting info and entice discussion.
If people are going to take every post I say as a rumor or leak or fact about Nintendo, that's their problem. They were warned I was just delivering second hand info, they were rumors and I'm not an insider.
My source said noticeably better, but that's vague and no specs were given so I'm speculating like you guys. Just forget it was even me posting that info.
dragonyeuw
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The wii U being within a hundred dollars of the ps4/xb1 at launch was hilarious enough. Now they're in the same ballpark because you can commonly find deals on the latter systems for $300. I wasn't referring to dropping the price at this point, obviously the system is on its way out. I'm referring to doing it at a point when it *may* have made a difference somewhere between 2013 and 2014.
I think those systems stayed relatively expensive because last gen was very costly for both Sony and MS. It was advantageous to keep the prices at a certain point and increase their value propositions ( usually by increasing the HDD size and releasing more streamlined, power-efficient models). But in 2016, why would anyone buy a $249 Ps3 with its bigger brother easily available for less than $100 more? I think the PS3, at least, is still fairly expensive to produce because of the cell, so I've heard anyway. So there's never going to be a point where we see a '$99 Ps3' ( or whatever the equal would be to that in 2016 given inflation) like we saw with Ps2. I imagine the xbox 360 is still relatively expensive because with the ps3 still at $250, there's no need to drop the price. It's priced competitively as is with its generational competitor.
What fire sales are you referring to?
Edit: Out of interest, I went on amazon to see what 360's are going for:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017KIHMQE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I don't know if that's standard MSRP now( and can't be bothered to look it up). I didn't see any ps3's sold directly through amazon, but the cheapest price was $259.99 for a 250gb model. Here's an article on the topic referencing the difficulty in getting the cost down:
http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/sony-plans-playstation-3-price-cut/
Granted, the article is about 3 years old but I imagine the dynamics barring a massive cut are still in effect given its current price?
Dark Cloud
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I know we used to ask "what will be the difference between Zelda U and Zelda NX?"
We thought maybe the graphics would be similar like TP was from GameCube to Wii, but since the NX is more powerful than the PS4 it's going to be a pretty nice difference! No wonder Nintendo is waiting until the reveal of the NX to show Zelda U/NX, because all they will do is show Zelda NX and talk about how great it looks.
We thought maybe the graphics would be similar like TP was from GameCube to Wii, but since the NX is more powerful than the PS4 it's going to be a pretty nice difference! No wonder Nintendo is waiting until the reveal of the NX to show Zelda U/NX, because all they will do is show Zelda NX and talk about how great it looks.
EndlessFloydian
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Wii U would have been more than capable of a SMG3, too. Look at the juice Nintendo extracted from Wii to use on Galaxy 1 & 2. Look at 3D World. Though it isn't my fave 3D Mario, it is very pretty.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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You do know thats just speculation right hoodoo? Calm down
Was does officially verified mean?
But i really wonder about that. If the NX is that powerful.. Did they go full NX with the dev, draw distances, models, light, shaders... But then the WiiU version will be horrible to play.. Or did they keep WiiU as main platform and will just up the rez/fps on NX..
Movalpolos
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It won't. Just like the Wii U didn't effect 360 or PS3 despite having "better" hardware.
He brought the information to specific mods who vetted that the people who supplied said information are likely to know what they are talking about within the industry. It does not guarantee 100% accuracy but it offers some legitimcy
10K was verified. Unfortunately another mod who was not apart of the process closed the other thread without knowing he was verified
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I bet money it was downported... people hate when I say that though
Dark Cloud
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I don't think they'll do that to Wii U owners (making it horrible to play). They'll probably up the res and fps.
Neff
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TheLegendOfCap
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I know this has nothing to do with specs but I'm crossing my fingers that we get blu-ray sized red cases to stand out from Xbox's green and PS4's blue.
I made this mock up because of Nintendo's recent embrace of the red. It makes me positive we're gonna see something like this.
I made this mock up because of Nintendo's recent embrace of the red. It makes me positive we're gonna see something like this.
Dark Cloud
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That might piss people off lol! I don't care because I'm getting the NXv anyways.
3rd party devs who have devkits wouldn't be talking about having devkits anyway.
Ignore the skeptics, 10k. I've been following this since the previous thread that got locked. You took the appropriate steps to get permission from the mods and you made it very clear that you weren't an insider, but simply a messenger. Unfortunately, some are ignoring these facts or have failed to keep up with what has happened. Again, much appreciation for the info you've given us. All you did was pass it on.
I totally agree and that's what makes me so giddy for a new Mario on hardware that exceeds PS4(if true, of course). I was more than impressed with SMG1&2 and SM3DW, so I can't even begin to imagine what a new 3D entry would look like on NX.
I know this has nothing to do with specs but I'm crossing my fingers that we get blu-ray sized red cases to stand out from Xbox's green and PS4's blue.
I made this mock up because of Nintendo's recent embrace of the red. It makes me positive we're gonna see something like this.
Wow! I love the Nintendo box art! Good job! Simple and straight to the point. NINTENDO, bitches!
Thank you for this.
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