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Rumor: Sony leadership feels that Bungie is a failed investment
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fart town usa
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Seemed like a good idea at the time but yea, Bungie has clearly been an absolute waste of money.
farmerboy
Member
Exactly my thoughts.Email reads like Destiny community fan fiction. Posted by a YouTuber with a history of pushing negative stories about Bungie.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
I don't care about Bungie. Especially since they allowed their Halo show to be a massacre of what it should've been. Especially the guy NEVER WEARING HIS FUCKING HELMET!!!!!!
MrRibeye
Member
Guy now in charge of Japan Studio keeps hiring his foreign Western friends, surrounding himself with yay-sayers who need JP language lessons for several years, instead of hiring local talent. He is wasting that studio away.
Fabieter
Member
Japan studios was like a third of bungie and actually released games on a regularly basis, most likely the most consistent studio with the most innovation in sonys portfolio.
Bungie is way to big and way to ineffectient. Its insane that they have that kinda headcount and did nothing but shitty d2 expansions the last few years. The asking price of 3b$ was a scam.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Bungie had nothing to do with that. 343 has been in charge of Halo for a long while now.
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Fabieter
Member
I can't imagine bungie being profitable rn so there is no way they are pulling games away from any platform if anything they will port d2 to switch 2 so gain some of the insane aquisition money back.
kazuyamishima
Member
I’m not defending the purchase of Bungie by any means, but studios need to be profitable, and Japan Studio wasn’t doing spectacular numbers.
Hudo
Member
What really irks me is that they could've used a new IP for that game. It still would've been easy to market "From the creators of Halo and Destiny...". Marathon as an IP lay dormant for a long fucking time and was mostly known among Macintosh users. So it's not like the IP made it easy as fuck for them in terms of marketing. But rather that Marathon's strength was always the singleplayer and the writing. Hell, even the website for Marathon had lore stuff going on. And then they decide to use that IP to make a multiplayer-focused extraction shooter.
What in the actual fuck.
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Gojiira
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The interesting takeaway is Sony wanting to restructure the monetisation which Destiny really needs…I remember back when Eververse first dropped and their was backlash Bungie justified it with ‘Eververse will fund a second team who will release free content such as strikes,crucible maps etc’…And that never happened, not even once. Now they say they cant make strike specific loot, or seasonal armours etc because its too much work but Eververse gets multiple new drops every season. Fuck off Bungie.
Not to mention the vaulting of content, or how season passes you own cant be completed after the fact, I know I personally have missed a few despite owning then, its just ridiculous tbh. The justification that game size would be too big if everything was kept in is stupid too, look at Warzones file size and how many people play that, nobody gives a fuck about file size, but Bungie just want to have a way to charge people again when some of that vaulted content does return…
Yeah Sony needs to put the boot down hard on the execs. Been a long time coming,
Not to mention the vaulting of content, or how season passes you own cant be completed after the fact, I know I personally have missed a few despite owning then, its just ridiculous tbh. The justification that game size would be too big if everything was kept in is stupid too, look at Warzones file size and how many people play that, nobody gives a fuck about file size, but Bungie just want to have a way to charge people again when some of that vaulted content does return…
Yeah Sony needs to put the boot down hard on the execs. Been a long time coming,
Bumblebeetuna
Member
We knew this when the deal was announced and it was revealed they overpaid to give current workers incentives not to jump ship.
They need new leadership badly.
They need new leadership badly.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
My friend on this forum can tell you about how I was excited about the Marathon revival but then how my face soured when he explained it was a live service extraction shooter... he knows what gets me worked up and he certainly nailed it with this one.
The issue though this lost cause is why Sony bought them, they wanted Bungie to give them some cash cow they can dime and dollar their audience with hardly any work for the next 10 years.
Take over full leadership control. Which will also likely mean some element of console exclusivity on future titles. Then remove ALL FOMO, bundle everything previously released together, returning any and all content previously removed, or that was temporary, so new players have a single complete and cohesive product, with a clear narrative through which to proceed. Model future seasons on helldivers approach. Currently all they seem to be doing is trying to milk ever more aggressively a continually dwindling pool of old players, and the means by which they do that makes it increasingly more hostile and confusing for any potential new players. It's a death spiral.
On many occasions throughout the years since its release ive contemplated giving it a shot, but every time I consider it, I have no idea where to start, find myself confused and then don't bother, each passing year and consideration, that feeling grows, and was massively exasperated when they started archiving story content. At that point it became for me 'oh, ok, I guess I'll never play this'.
Release this aptly named 'final shape' with an complete story bundle and monetisation model rework that becomes a perfect jumping in point for new players. Draw a line under it, and have the next release as destiny 3. If they don't, then how will any new players be interested in a possible destiny 3? As they will have missed destiny 2.
Edit - Oh, and find a way to make Raids playable without needing a full team. Im in my 40's and it was always a nightmare to arrange enough friends, both with the game, and who have the time to commit, so in destiny 1, I literally never played a single raid. Either find a way to scale them, or utilise so ai for play style mirroring (that we've seen patents for) to have bots capable of assisting competently in the raids. This would even allow solo players to explore everything the story has to offer, hugely increasing its potential audience reach.
On many occasions throughout the years since its release ive contemplated giving it a shot, but every time I consider it, I have no idea where to start, find myself confused and then don't bother, each passing year and consideration, that feeling grows, and was massively exasperated when they started archiving story content. At that point it became for me 'oh, ok, I guess I'll never play this'.
Release this aptly named 'final shape' with an complete story bundle and monetisation model rework that becomes a perfect jumping in point for new players. Draw a line under it, and have the next release as destiny 3. If they don't, then how will any new players be interested in a possible destiny 3? As they will have missed destiny 2.
Edit - Oh, and find a way to make Raids playable without needing a full team. Im in my 40's and it was always a nightmare to arrange enough friends, both with the game, and who have the time to commit, so in destiny 1, I literally never played a single raid. Either find a way to scale them, or utilise so ai for play style mirroring (that we've seen patents for) to have bots capable of assisting competently in the raids. This would even allow solo players to explore everything the story has to offer, hugely increasing its potential audience reach.
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Angry_Megalodon
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The katana guys from Sony Japan must chop every head whose hair is not black, brown, or natural blonde.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
If Sony could pull that off, and dump Bungie on next sucker they would do that in a heartbeat.
SplunkyMunkey
Member
I think bungie was a waste of money. Sony should of grabbed zenimax before Microsoft got them. You have fantastic studios that embracer is selling with well known ips even rts studio slipgate ironworks aka Tempest rising 3d realms etc. Or they could of just brought take two
Brigandier
Member
Make and release some fucking games.
Awful acquisition terrible value for money.
Awful acquisition terrible value for money.
CosmicComet
Member
I've been doggin the Bungie purchase for years on this forum.
Email reads like Destiny community fan fiction. Posted by a YouTuber with a history of pushing negative stories about Bungie.
With you on this. Reads like a very obvious fake, and doesn’t say a single new thing.
For someone sending an anonymous email, it certainly is light on insider information.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
What noteworthy games did Japan Studios release though?
ICO and Shadow of the Colossus.
You could add The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush to the list and maybe LocoRoco, but the latter two were handheld games and Playstation got wrecked in that market.
TLG went through development hell.
Even the Team ICO games are debateable, as they might be iconic, but from a business-perspective I can see why Sony closed Japan Studios.
Can't run a business on goodwill forever and if people really want those kind of games, Sony needs more revenue.
And for that, they need GaaS, whether people like it or not.
And when it comes to GaaS, Sony needs studios with experience in that department, especially irt online multiplayer. Something Sony is lacking.
As for Bungie, their issues have been with their management, not with their expertise.
Destiny went downhill because Bungie management made a complete mess ever since they made a disaster of Destiny 1's development.
The best thing for Bungie, as well as Sony, is for Sony to take control over Bungie.
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Fabieter
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They probably could made like 60 games with japan studios for the money they paid for bungie and they basically got nothing out of it while they having 1200 employees working for them.
Not saying it made financially sense to keep japan studios (well at least they made unique games for the platform which in itself Is worth something.), but it would be better to keep them than buy bungie.
Windom Earle
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lol that was never the case
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Bungie hasn't even released a game since the acquisition though.
A Bungie game alone probably has enough potential to make more revenue than those 60 games combined.
But not with incompetent leadership.
That's the entire issue.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
That OP sounds like fanfiction.
That said...i never understood what Sony saw in them, much less going to them for avices on how to make GaaS titles successful.
GT7 is successul, MLB is successful, now Helldivers 2...they didn't need to spend billions on a company.
That said...i never understood what Sony saw in them, much less going to them for avices on how to make GaaS titles successful.
GT7 is successul, MLB is successful, now Helldivers 2...they didn't need to spend billions on a company.
Cyberpunkd
Member
How about Sony leadership says no? We are adults or kids?
violence
Member
I like this idea.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Destiny 2 felt like a movement to stand against halo, exclusives and was popular amongst mmo fans not shooter, fps people despite being a shooter.
What a suprise! This game was once a game with a soul, exploration, adventure, dark and gritty.
Now its a happy kkona shooter for hippsterdads that wants to shoot stuff in a videogame for 30 min or so and then make a shitty youtubevid about it.
Bungo has sold out every inch of soul that it had.
Long live Destiny and Bungo for what it once was.
Now its a happy kkona shooter for hippsterdads that wants to shoot stuff in a videogame for 30 min or so and then make a shitty youtubevid about it.
Bungo has sold out every inch of soul that it had.
Long live Destiny and Bungo for what it once was.
Quasicat
Member
You are correct. The problem is Sony and their shareholders want that return now and may not be patient enough for the next project.
Iced Arcade
Member
So a YouTuber doesn't like Bungie, dwells on it and makes a YouTube video with his thoughts and labels it as a leak.
I mean I get it... I think there was reasons why Microsoft openly left them go freely and agree it was a complete waste on Sonys money BUT im not making a YouTube video about it.
I mean I get it... I think there was reasons why Microsoft openly left them go freely and agree it was a complete waste on Sonys money BUT im not making a YouTube video about it.
Fabieter
Member
I dont think Bungie games have that kinda pull anymore. Their games are expensive and a lot greater risk than some AA games that japan studios was known for.
Even under ms bungie was a shitshow. They somehow made good games before their deadlines but their development was always troubled. It's a bad studio.
Dr. Suchong
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Seems to me that this was "Destined" to happen.
*Ba-dum tisshh*
*Ba-dum tisshh*
DannyDanger
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Colin was right
U n i o n 0015
Member
How didn't they figure this out before they bought them, literally all gamers knew this.