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[Hudo]

I agree, but I think Chloe was interesting in Uncharted 2 making her a charismatic, flirty and deceiving rival treasure hunter who plays a somewhat love triangle / has somewhat unresolved sexual tension with Nate.

I think this worked very well in that game, and I was looking forward to see her back in other games, but in Uncharted 3 and Lost Legacy she was pretty meh for me, maybe because that role she had in the story was already told and they didn't add anything interesting more for the other games, other than failing when tried to use her as (way less charismatic and fun) female replacement of Drake.

The pictures are from Uncharted 4. She is their (I assume not trans, but being ND who knows) daughter.


ND made great games without Amy. After Amy left ND, she worked in Battlefield Hardline and Forspoken.

ND made one good game after she was kicked out: The Last of Us 1. Uncharted 4 was mid and The Last of Us 2 was amateur hour, imho. Yes, combat was solid, although overstayed its welcome and some encounter designs were just boring (imho), but the biggest problem is the shitty pacing and the bad writing, which made me really dislike the game. And no I am not talking about the Joel thing. It's like Druckmann forgot how to tell and direct good stories with this game. And the usage of gore comes across as cheap, it makes it look like a cheap B slasher movie at times, completely destroying all stakes it has built up at that moment. And yes, Amy also did work on Battlefield Hardline and Forspoken. She also worked on Soul Reaver 1 and 2, which are one of the best written and paced games ever. If I had to go by résumé, I'd still pick her over Druckmann. But hey, maybe Intergalactic will turn good. Who knows.

That's what I think anyway.

 

[ScorpionX]

yeah i know, but what can we expect from a 13yo protag on a Uncharted game ?

i would prefer a prequel of Sully being a womanizer and killing ppl for 60hours but this wont happen in 2025 ND.

Sully in a prequel makes the most sense and would be incredible which is why sony wouldn't do it

 

[yurinka]

That vertical slice of Cassie in the PS advert must be what, 4 years old now?

Game should be ready to launch in 2026 unless it's been in production hell.

We know that while ND was also working in Intergalactic, TLOU Online plus overviewing/supporting the different remasters and ports did start to work around early 2023 in a new SP game that wasn't TLOU3.

So unless it's another IP or a Marvel adaptation, pretty likely would be the next Uncharted.

AAA games nowadays take around 4-9 years to be released, so we're talking about a potential release of somewhere around 2027-2032.

We know Bend started to work in a Uncharted spinoff project around 2021 but moved away from it when their new IP got cancelled, and maybe that project was moved to ND turning it into Uncharted 5 and reducing in that case the release window to maybe somewhere between 2026-2031.

Given that his wife made him start over, it's nonsense her daughter would "work" in the same line of business. ND has always been bad at making consistent worldbuilding but this would push things too far.

The only way to have a new Uncharted with the same flavor is with pirates.

In the epilogue of Uncharted 4 she appears in the cover of a magazine that leads to think she already started very young to do so:

 

[JerryinSoCal]

I hope this isn't true, I have no desire to play as Sam or Drakes daughter. Nathan Drake is uncharted IMO, Sam was a terrible addition and I hated how Baker voiced him. I also don't get why Naughty Dog feels the need to keep replacing their male characters with their daughters.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

As an over 40 dude, I'll often choose to play as a female because I've been playing straight white dudes in games for DECADES, I'm currently playing South of Midnight and quite simply, it's a beautiful game with an interesting setup but very mediocre gameplay.
It was a Gamepass game, who said it flopped?

Plus if you're a straight dude and you'd somehow prefer looking at another dude's ass the entire time while playing...

..well, let's just say I don't think you're straight

In the epilogue of Uncharted 4 she appears in the cover of a magazine that leads to think she already started very young to do so:

Weren't you just basically accusing the game of being woke simply off the picture of Cassie in your first post ITT? Now you suddenly care about story context, after fishing for culture war points?

Friggin' laughable, dude.

 

[yurinka]

Weren't you just basically accusing the game of being woke simply off the picture of Cassie in your first post ITT? Now you suddenly care about story context, after fishing for culture war points?

Friggin' laughable, dude.

Only somebory pretty stupid and brainwashed would think I was accusing the game of being woke simply off the picture of Cassie in my first post, and that complaining about wokism is incompatible with caring about story context.

 

[Esppiral]

Sounds fake but I am in for more Uncharted

 

[Harlock]

"And she will return all the treasures to their original tribes."

 

[Team Skoda]

you just already know how the dynamic between cassie and sam is going to be if it's written by druckmann

This is exactly my thoughts.. it's gonna be ultra creepy, all the while be shrugged off as a "deep and meaningful relationship" by the purple side.

 

[JCK75]

How long into the story will a butch freakish woman kill Sam?

 

[powder]

One thing I'm betting they change is treasure hunting for private profit. You're probably going to be raiding tombs for a specific treasure but you're not keeping it – you're giving it to a museum or some kind of "beneficial" archeological organization.

Wasn't there already something about this kind of idea for the next Tomb Raider? I could've sworn Crystal Dynamics or whoever came out and said "we're doing the next game without the colonialist aspect." If that's the case then maybe treasure hunting for British museums is going to be a no go.

 

[Mokus]

Not interested.

 

[Aenima]

From all the "anti woke" or whatever comments ITT, it seems that.

• All games have to have male leads
• All males have to be "alphas" and not "cucks"(apparently you can tell if a character in a game has been cheated on, who knew?)
• If a women appears, she has to be much weaker than a man
• If a woman appears she must look like Sydney Sweeney*
• * Exceptions can be made if the woman has comically big tits, long hair and wears almost no clothing
• Any other woman are ugly so not allowed
• Gays are not allowed
• No blacks or Asians

Is that it?
It's quite tricky to get your head round.

More like straight white male protagonists are not allowed anymore, so all must be replaced with some DEI inserted shitfest that ends up ruining the franchise. Lara Croft was never replaced as main protagonists from the Tomb Raider series, but Nathan Drake only survived 4 games untill it got replaced and Joel only survived 1 game. Thers a pattern here that ppl are feed up with.

 

[yurinka]

ND made one good game after she was kicked out: The Last of Us 1. Uncharted 4 was mid and The Last of Us 2 was amateur hour, imho. Yes, combat was solid, although overstayed its welcome and some encounter designs were just boring (imho), but the biggest problem is the shitty pacing and the bad writing, which made me really dislike the game. And no I am not talking about the Joel thing. It's like Druckmann forgot how to tell and direct good stories with this game. And the usage of gore comes across as cheap, it makes it look like a cheap B slasher movie at times, completely destroying all stakes it has built up at that moment. And yes, Amy also did work on Battlefield Hardline and Forspoken. She also worked on Soul Reaver 1 and 2, which are one of the best written and paced games ever. If I had to go by résumé, I'd still pick her over Druckmann. But hey, maybe Intergalactic will turn good. Who knows.

That's what I think anyway.

I think TLOU1 and Uncharted 2 are the best games they ever did.

Uncharted 4, Lost Legacy and TLOU2 were awesome too in most areas, but regarding writing and pacing I think that even if they had good things, they also had important issues, particularly in Lost Legacy. And most of them related to the wokism stuff of hating white, male, heterosexual protagonism and with wanting to make the games longer than I personally prefer.

I think she (plus the rest of the teams) did a great job at Soul Reaver and ND, and that her idea for the Uncharted 4 story was better: basically the same but without including Nadine, and regarding Sam starting him as a more manipulative antagonist (without flashback) but that across the game would reconciliate and reunificate with Drake. What I didn't like of her idea for the game was to mostly remove the combat to focus way more in exploration/investigation/puzzles, because I think shootings are a pilar for the franchise and helps a lot to the pacing of the game when alternating shooting sections with narrative cutscenes and portions of exploration and puzzles.

I was looking forward to her Uncharted-ish Star Wars game, but sadly didn't go anywhere and got cancelled when EA wanted to shift more to MP.

But if I have to choose between Soul Reaver+Hardline+Forspoken and TLOU1+2, U4+ULL, I prefer the ND output.

 

[Rivdoric]

The good news is, if true, we will probably get an Uncharted 1-3 collection on PS5 & PC beforehand.
I have incredible memories on both 2 & 3.
Give me that & Bloodborne and i'm whole.

 

[ReasonBeing]

Rumor: Water is wet

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Cassie goes on revenge mission because someone killed Sam

 

[Lokaum D+]

"And she will return all the treasures to their original tribes."

Somehow i dont doubt that

 

[Judge Magister]

"And she will return all the treasures to their original tribes."

I hope the next TR is still in time to rethink some that stuff.

 

[yurinka]

From all the "anti woke" or whatever comments ITT, it seems that.

• All games have to have male leads
• All males have to be "alphas" and not "cucks"(apparently you can tell if a character in a game has been cheated on, who knew?)
• If a women appears, she has to be much weaker than a man
• If a woman appears she must look like Sydney Sweeney*
• * Exceptions can be made if the woman has comically big tits, long hair and wears almost no clothing
• Any other woman are ugly so not allowed
• Gays are not allowed
• No blacks or Asians

Is that it?
It's quite tricky to get your head round.

Nobody said any of these points, you made them up.

 

[ReBurn]

I would take another Uncharted game.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Nobody said any of these points, you made them up.

It's all in this thread .
Feel free to correct me.

 

[ecosse_011172]

More like straight white male protagonists are not allowed anymore, so all must be replaced with some DEI inserted shitfest that ends up ruining the franchise. Lara Croft was never replaced as main protagonists from the Tomb Raider series, but Nathan Drake only survived 4 games untill it got replaced and Joel only survived 1 game. Thers a pattern here than ppl are feed up with.

Shall we do a headcount and see how many straight white male protagonists there are in gaming ?

 

[Aenima]

Shall we do a headcount and see how many straight white male protagonists there are in gaming ?

You can try fool youself, but you not fooling anyone else buddy. Its a trend in the last 10 years among western studios. And everyone is aware of whats going on by now.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I can't wait for the inevitable "open world" announcement

Wide Linear

 

[realcool]

In the epilogue of Uncharted 4 she appears in the cover of a magazine that leads to think she already started very young to do so:

It's not the treasure hunting that runs in the family --- she inherited her father's bloodlust. Those poor indigenous folk are not ready for Cassie "Gets Creative Slayin' Natives" Drake.

 

[ecosse_011172]

You can try fool youself, but you not fooling anyone else buddy. Its a trend in the last 10 years among western studios. And everyone is aware of whats going on by now.

Shall we do a headcount count?
You know, actual reality .

 

[Hypereides]

I hope this isn't true, I have no desire to play as Sam or Drakes daughter. Nathan Drake is uncharted IMO, Sam was a terrible addition and I hated how Baker voiced him. I also don't get why Naughty Dog feels the need to keep replacing their male characters with their daughters.

You can probably deduce why, my man. They swallowed the pill of replacing male leads whole sale. Especially, the big guy in charge for pretty public reasons.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Shall we do a headcount count?
You know, actual reality .

Bro you're talking to yourself a lot here, most people put you on ignore recently.
You've been in this thread all day, go have a wank or a bottle of wine.

 

[Kaiserstark]

I don't see why people keep sharing DanielRPK's leaks:

-In 2023, he said that Part 3 was in development and shared a synopsis of the game and now we know that Naughty Dog was working on Intergalactic.

-Last year, he said that a new Bloodborne game was in development and that it wasn't a remaster or a remake or that Kingdom Hearts 4 would be released in 2025.

-A few months ago, he also said that Half-Life 3 would be the last game in the franchise.

Even on movie stuff he is wrong because he said that Hunter Schafer will be cast as Princess Zelda in the upcoming Legend of Zelda movie and we know that was false.

So there is absolutely no point in discussing these supposed leaks.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I can't wait for the inevitable "open world" announcement

Also waiting for Unreal Engine being used.

 

[LimanimaPT]

Drake's daughter? I'm out...
I hope this flops hard.

 

[{insert code here}]

Cassie and Sam leading an UC sequel is so awful that I believe it coming from Sony first party . Without Straley and Hennig Uncharted is not Uncharted so this is an easy pass.

 

[Lambogenie]

Thinking about it, if Cassie is 20-something and Drake is the Sully, I'll be interested. I don't mind if Cassie does the whole "come on old man" but just dont be a boss queen, slay type. Enjoy the father daughter journey that goes wrong.

If Sam is any real presence, uggggh.

 

[pnutboy]

If true, will take this over TLOU3 any day. Love every entry in the franchise including Lost Legacy.

 

[Rush2112]

Drakes daughter in that image screams lesbian, and i bet Trump isnt her President either

LOL

 

[NuclearDiarrhea]

Bro you're talking to yourself a lot here, most people put you on ignore recently.
You've been in this thread all day, go have a wank or a bottle of wine.

Dude spent his entire fucking day replying to nearly every little comment that was dismissive of the rumored new main character. Thats James Sawyer Ford levels of dedication right there.

 

[yurinka]

It's all in this thread .
Feel free to correct me.

I already did when saying "Nobody said any of these points, you made them up."

 

[GateofD]

At this point with the Tomb Raider games finished, is an Uncharted x Tomb Raider game crossover possible.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

At this point with the Tomb Raider games finished, is an Uncharted x Tomb Raider game crossover possible.

Well done, this could be the way to revive both sagas. I'm surprised Sony missed the chance to buy Tomb Raider IP when they had the chance, and it was cheap.

 

[viveks86]

I can tell u already, pretty sure only time it was fun to play as weak tiny teenage girl was first tlou, u didnt play it for long but setting/story guaranteed it was fun/realistic/believable(not gonna spoil the details,ppl who played it will agree, who didnt play that 12yo game yet can always spoil themself on yt vid), but whole game, especially uncharted sequel where u do a lot of equilibristics/fighting/killing, highly unlikely its gonna feel good...

Do we know if she is still pre-teen in UC5? That shot is from UC4. What if she is a straight, athletic hottie in UC5? Would you play it and enjoy or complain about physics and realism? Not a rhetorical question. Just wondering which camp you are in

 

[yurinka]

Sully in a prequel makes the most sense and would be incredible which is why sony wouldn't do it

They already made long flashbacks in Uncharted or TLOU games.

They could make an Uncharted 5 game set a few years after Uncharted 4 where you play a portion with Cassie (let's say 30% of it), a portion with Drake (let's say 40% of it) and it also has a flashback where you play Sully (let's say 30% of it) as he tells them sold old story he had when he was young.

Well done, this could be the way to revive both sagas. I'm surprised Sony missed the chance to buy Tomb Raider IP when they had the chance, and it was cheap.

Pretty likely Sony didn't acquire it because they already have Uncharted, which is pretty similar and since PS3 has been considerably more successful than Tomb Raider.

And even considering so, Sony/ND even considered that it wasn't a good idea to make Uncharted 5 just after Uncharted 4. So I assume that if they weren't interested in Uncharted they would be even less interested in Tomb Raider.

 

[SpiceRacz]

I'm down for another Uncharted game as long as it's not 20+ hours like U4 was.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

Bring Drake back, do a prequel with Sullivan, or any other character the we care about.

 

[simpatico]

Second team? Why don't these pubs act like they own these developers? Neil wants to make an artistic game about a mixed-race handicapped lesbian with a chip on her shoulder in a pile of branded merchandise? Sorry pal, Uncharted 5 or we help detectives with that hard drive warrant. Bethesda wants to make anything other than Starfield and Elder Scrolls? Start cutting pensions, healthcare etc. IDK where all the timidity in this industry came from.

 

[PeteBull]

Do we know if she is still pre-teen in UC5? That shot is from UC4. What if she is a straight, athletic hottie in UC5? Would you play it and enjoy or complain about physics and realism? Not a rhetorical question. Just wondering which camp you are in

I wouldnt bitch about her looks, if hot feminine woman can take out not only avg(it wouldnt be easily believable but lets say i believe it), but even trained musclular men, it means she is a cyborg(nier automata/stellar blade) or its world full of magic with special powers/auras/buffs/magic artifacts and so on, if its realistic setting no way hose =D

 

[simpatico]

Bring Drake back, do a prequel with Sullivan, or any other character the we care about.

Two white males in a tentpole release? You been in a coma Auron? We don't do that anymore. Best chance you've got is Drake's daughter, and to pull that off they might have to hint at her being gay, if not overtly state it. Even Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne couldn't defeat this enemy.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

Two white males in a tentpole release? You been in a coma Auron? We don't do that anymore. Best chance you've got is Drake's daughter, and to pull that off they might have to hint at her being gay, if not overtly state it. Even Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne couldn't defeat this enemy.

So true

 

[viveks86]

I wouldnt bitch about her looks, if hot feminine woman can take out not only avg(it wouldnt be easily believable but lets say i believe it), but even trained musclular men, it means she is a cyborg(nier automata/stellar blade) or its world full of magic with special powers/auras/buffs/magic artifacts and so on, if its realistic setting no way hose =D

But it's realistic when you get shot in the head and bandage your arm instead? Or when you automatically heal while hiding behind an indestructible box that can sustain rocket launchers? I think this is a very targeted complaint that appears only (or at least mostly) when the protagonist is female. Everybody is far more forgiving about ridiculous moves and unrealistic strength when the character is male. Just yesterday, I threw a spear at a giant mushroom and swung from it to leap across a chasm, in a game that is supposed to be "realistic" and grounded. Didn't give it a second thought until now. So we should either complain about everything and demand realism at the cost of having any fun, or suspend disbelief and enjoy the game for what it is - a videogame, where anything is possible.

We can all hide behind the "but it breaks my immersion" excuse. The reason it breaks immersion may require more self-reflection than we are willing to admit.

 

[PeteBull]

But it's realistic when you get shot in the head and bandage your arm instead? Or when you automatically heal while hiding behind an indestructible box that can sustain rocket launchers? I think this is a very targeted complaint that appears only (or at least mostly) when the protagonist is female. Everybody is far more forgiving about ridiculous moves and unrealistic strength when the character is male. Just yesterday, I threw a spear at a giant mushroom and swung from it to leap across a chasm, in a game that is supposed to be "realistic" and grounded. Didn't give it a second thought until now. So we should either complain about everything and demand realism at the cost of having any fun, or suspend disbelief and enjoy the game for what it is - a videogame, where anything is possible.

We can all hide behind the "but it breaks my immersion" excuse. The reason it breaks immersion may require more self-reflection than we are willing to admit.

Max i can tolerate in semi realistic but not that realistic setting is kill bill movies, that was crazy enough to not take itself seriously but kinda set in modern day society w/o magic, u still had martial arts training on way above realistic lvl tho
Keep in mind kiddo beatrice never had/used physical advantage vs even avg looking males, she mostly used her katana, like 90%+ of fighttime.
TLDR Female protag used her skill/technique/quick thinking outside the box, not physical strenght advantage/durability like for example abby used multiple times in tlou2(which was crazy immersion breaking).

From actual games- game isnt out yet but maybe ghost of yotei, hard to say as of yet tho.