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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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zeioIIDX
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Project Cafe....internet cafe? Maybe Nintendo is alluding to their online strategy finally coming together with this new system or some kind of social aspect of the system. Also, could it have something to do with ordering/customizing stuff a la Starbucks? Probably reading too much into it, I bet it's just the name of the CPU or something.
Buckethead said:
If developers follow this pattern they have with porting, then I see nothing strange with GTA 5 being released on all three systems. Wouldn't hurt them in the slightest.
If Nintendo wants to rope the "core" group in, then online play and community would have to be part of their master plan, otherwise there's no real way they could convince them to sign up. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a headset in the box, but I do think there will be a headset available at launch.
TheExecutive
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Why would nintendo change their business model when the one they have works so well for them? The days of nintendo vying for hardcore console dominance are gone. Their main demographic is not you and I. They will build a cheap to buy console with a innovative controller to try and recapture the magic of the wii. At least thats my opinion.WrikaWrek said:
TheExecutive
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EDarkness said:
I dont think they do, oh how many of us own wii's on here? I know I do. Do you? My point being is that the "core" group is the least demographic they should be worried about. We always find an excuse to buy a console.
Dead Prince
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waiting for online talk.
Holy Order Sol
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I see no reason whatsoever to seriously try to make anything of the project's name.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Even a notch above 360 I have no problems with. That means Nintendo can do more with Mario and Zelda than what they have now.
gundamkyoukai
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TheExecutive said:
That's not what there saying , they want to get back the hardcore market.
Just look at 3DS which is trying to get both.
Even if Nintendo next gen system is stronger than Xbox360\PS3 i have to see there online .
From "way more powerful than the PS3" to "slightly better than the 360"? This just the latest rumor, right? Not the more accurate one I hope. If it is...well, at least their killing my hype before the E3 conference. Nothing's worse than going in with high expectations and then having them stomped during the show.
mysteriousmage09
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Gamers get screwed because 3rd party devs say fuck it. Sure you please the 4 year olds and grandmas with bowling with the controller but when it comes down to straight up games...well look at the Wii.TheExecutive said:
TheExecutive said:
Some of the early reports were all 'nintendo's coming back for the hardcore', 'they're serious', 'they want to recapture the western gamer' etc. etc.
They might tempt some of that demographic over in a transitional way if MS/Sony take their time with systems - something that plays notably better versions of big third party games for a year or two might do that - but the impression of the above has people wanting and hoping that Nintendo will also have enough power to remain in the loop with big third party games from the PS4/720 generation too.
And maybe they do. But similar power to 360/PS3 could be cutting it fine and would be disappointing when people know a lot more would be possible and would like Nintendo to bring that 'more' to the table, and bring a machine in 2012 that can really last in a more comprehensive way for the coming generation.
I realise I'm not answering your question, but it would explain why people are hoping for 'a change of approach'.
Their demographic is everyone, so apparently not to be in that demographic means you are no one. That's on the system side of things of course. Their games however will have more specific demographics like everyone who likes Mario, everyone who likes dogs or cats with dogs (but not cats on their own), or those with a brain age greater than 20.TheExecutive said:
Buckethead
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A little over 360? Seriously?
I mean I love the 360 but good lord Nintendo, you cheap bastards.
I'm not expecting "PS4 level" whatever that means but how disappointing.
They rake in piles of fucking money and all they can come up with is "slightly better than 360"? Jesus.
Definitely more of a Nintendo/frugal thing to do, but if they think that'll get the hardcores... LOL.
I mean I love the 360 but good lord Nintendo, you cheap bastards.
I'm not expecting "PS4 level" whatever that means but how disappointing.
They rake in piles of fucking money and all they can come up with is "slightly better than 360"? Jesus.
Definitely more of a Nintendo/frugal thing to do, but if they think that'll get the hardcores... LOL.
Angry Fork
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Nintendo fans have got to be the most forgiving fans ever. I like Nintendo (sometimes) but I'm amazed that people are willing to accept 360-level power or 'just a notch above' this current gen.
Even if they have a better online system, more games etc. all that, it's like people magically forget the Wii for some reason and are okay with Nintendo again. It's amazing. Everyone just welcomes then with open arms no matter what they do. It's like those stockholm girlfriends that get beaten and then when the boyfriend does 1 nice thing for them they love them again (and forget about/ignore all the beating).
For me personally the Wii's terrible'ness will linger and won't go out of my mind for a looooong time. So they really need to court me at E3 with some mind blowing stuff and not this 512mb ram 360-level bullshit. They need to show like 10 core games from various franchises and some new IPs also developed by Nintendo, like really go all out. And no Wii Sports new IP bullshit, that's cheating. It needs to be something that can rival Mario/Zelda status. I'm tired of the laziness and print money strategy bullshit, if they go for that again there's no way I'd support it.
Even if they have a better online system, more games etc. all that, it's like people magically forget the Wii for some reason and are okay with Nintendo again. It's amazing. Everyone just welcomes then with open arms no matter what they do. It's like those stockholm girlfriends that get beaten and then when the boyfriend does 1 nice thing for them they love them again (and forget about/ignore all the beating).
For me personally the Wii's terrible'ness will linger and won't go out of my mind for a looooong time. So they really need to court me at E3 with some mind blowing stuff and not this 512mb ram 360-level bullshit. They need to show like 10 core games from various franchises and some new IPs also developed by Nintendo, like really go all out. And no Wii Sports new IP bullshit, that's cheating. It needs to be something that can rival Mario/Zelda status. I'm tired of the laziness and print money strategy bullshit, if they go for that again there's no way I'd support it.
I'm hearing "you will say 'wow'" all over again.SykoTech said:
I am a Nintendo whore, so if they produce the machine and there's a Mario game on it, I'll buy it. If the more recent talk of it only being around or just a small notch above Xbox 360 is to be believed, though, then they'll be in trouble. Motion will be part of MS and Sony's new consoles to some extent, so unless Nintendo has another control revolution in mind, what will they have anymore that entices third parties to develop for Cafe?
TheExecutive said:
How inovative is it really though? I guess that's the 10 million dollar question. Because if it's just a poor man's iPad, casuals aren't going to be flocking to this. iPad is selling like gangbusters despite its price. Casuals aren't clamoring for a 6 inch version, in standard def, and single input touch. Plus, iPad 3 will be out in 2012 and be more powerful than Wii 2 by the time it launches.
An enhanced Kinect, with redone controller, that has a Fusion GPU/CPU and can do today's BF3 at 1080P and 60fps could appeal to both casual and hardcore much better than whatever Nintendo is cooking up. Past success doesn't guarantee anything. And if we're judging current success, clearly Kinect has more buzz than Wiimotes at present.
Angry Fork said:
I don't think it really has anything to do with being a Nintendo fan. I'm just in general not a graphics whore. Super Meat Boy and Limbo were two of my favorite games this gen and they could have easily been done on the Dreamcast.
why would I want to "magically forget about the Wii" when I thought it was a great system with a ton of fun titles?
Amir0x said:
If the Wii 2 is better than the others, then yeah, that's pretty much a no brainer, but I worry about this controller. I'm with you on the buttons thing. No buttons? Ugh. I can deal with screens and even big screens, but video buttons is why I don't play games on my iPhone.
gofreak said:
This got me thinking about Jonnhy Lee's head tracking project. Could the controller position (or its screen) be useful in anyway?
http://youtu.be/Jd3-eiid-Uw
Buckethead
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grap3fruitman
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Just a notch over 360? It's been over five years since that thing came out. That's really, really disappointing. Any hype I had for the system is gone.
Woffls said:
NO! We must take all of this information and use it as if it were fact! Instead of having an interesting discussion about the possibilities of the system and taking the information with a grain of salt, we must say things like "Oh lawdy Nintendo, only slightly more powerful than the 360? Hype train derailed!"
Buckethead
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I see your point but then we just sit on our hands and wait for 2 months.Woffls said:
As we all know that's what 95% of life is - waiting and bullshitting until something good finally happens.
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grap3fruitman said:
What is the first word of this thread's title?
richisawesome said:
I hope so.
Otherwise a large touch screen like that would make the controller sort of unwieldy. I mean 6 inches is a huge screen, its like having a Kindle for a controller. There is almost no possible way to make that easy to hold and play with.
Perhaps the touchscreen one is not a traditional controller at all though. But sort of a tablet accessory. Like an intermediary between the console and the actual controller. An analogy would be using a Dualshock 3 to control a PS3 but the output is streamed on a PSP in front of you. And said "PSP"/tables can have builtin camera and wiimote sensors, so you can play without being on front of the main TV.
Dedication Through Light
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idwl said:
Rockstar should never take such a deal, if the system launches in Holiday 2012, would people really rush out to buy this fantastical system just to play GTA V...there would be way more consumers on the HD systems to make more (and would this system have a good system for DLC support, I think online details are honestly more vital than a touchscreen controller)
Doc Holliday
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If the rumors are true you guys shouldn't worry about the power issue. This isn't the wii bs 360/ps3 thing again for a couple of reasons:
-both Sony and ms were willing to ride the tech for another few years.
-the lack of hd was really noticable. What will the ps4 and xbox2 bring that can make their systems stand out besides more polys and shaders?
-Besides guys like Dice devs seem content with current gen hardware. As it is they struggle to get shit out on time.
-There soooo many games in the pipeline for current gen that the wii 2 will benefit for years from new releases....if it's successful.
-as evidenced by the 360/ps3/pc devs will not necessarily code to the most powerful hardware.
-both Sony and ms were willing to ride the tech for another few years.
-the lack of hd was really noticable. What will the ps4 and xbox2 bring that can make their systems stand out besides more polys and shaders?
-Besides guys like Dice devs seem content with current gen hardware. As it is they struggle to get shit out on time.
-There soooo many games in the pipeline for current gen that the wii 2 will benefit for years from new releases....if it's successful.
-as evidenced by the 360/ps3/pc devs will not necessarily code to the most powerful hardware.
zeioIIDX
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Actually the more I think about the customization/Starbucks analogy, it could make sense seeing as how the rumors speak of a touch screen on the controller. I could only imagine Nintendo would allow you or the developers of a game to customize the button layout and stuff on the controller!Red UFO said:
Jason's Ultimatum
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How do you stream games onto the controller? I mean, would you need to use the internet in order to do that? What if there are people who cannot do that?
The only time you should get hyped is when Nintendo confirms things. Right now everything is up in the air.grap3fruitman said:
My mean for example latest sources state it has the power of 120 Stars merged with the Triforce. In order to tame this beast of a system you must raise an army and conquer your neighbourhood. If you are deemed worthy, the start button will materialise on the controller and you may now begin playing.
If you are deemed unworthy the machine will dematerialise, your warranty will be void and the receipt destroyed.
Colours available at launch will not matter for it will soon be stained with the blood of your enemies*.
*You may need to exchange friend codes in order to take advantage of this feature.
Source: My Uncle Iwata, president of Nintendo, during dinner last night.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Futureman said:
Ah, gotcha.
Doc Holliday said:
If they do, a system like this will be fine. Nintendo can ride it for a few years and join MS and Sony with a new system in 2016 or whatever.
I don't think that's likely though. There'll probably be a transition across 2012-2014.
Whether Wii2 would be screwed by that from a content or hardcore appeal POV depends on a lot of variables we don't really have visibility of. But I think it's fair to say that people would rather Nintendo were generous with system power rather than to cut it fine, to give confidence their system could weather that transition and remain in play for 'big' third party titles of the next 5-6 years.
Nintendo seems only to invest in innovation, thats great and stuff but they spent too much time on that on not on Graphics, Online etc, which is equally as important as innovation.
The only reason I play on Nintendo systems is for their games like Mario and Donkey Kong. At this point I could really care less if Nintendo became a third party, beacause having a Mario/Pokemon game with online community like XBox Live, achievements etc would be fantastic.
The only reason I play on Nintendo systems is for their games like Mario and Donkey Kong. At this point I could really care less if Nintendo became a third party, beacause having a Mario/Pokemon game with online community like XBox Live, achievements etc would be fantastic.
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