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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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AceBandage
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AzureJericho said:GAF's leaving me all kinds of broken hearted tonight with all the "meh StarTropics" posts in here.
It's just kids that don't know what's good for them.
Skiesofwonder
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Shikamaru Ninja said:
I don't dislike the idea, but what's the point of tying up Retro when I'm sure silicon knights would jump at the opportunity to develop a sequel. Let them work on their baby.
And I see no point in developing a second one unless the vitality sensor is in play....
Lupin the Third
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Hot Coldman
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Lupin the Wolf said:
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Most of the third party games are garbage though. I own a Wii and it's all very frustrating that there's all this shovelware and cash ins or gimmicks to try and draw in customers. I don't want anything like that I just want a game.Shikamaru Ninja said:
As for making rehashes, I don't know why the market eats that up, I got sick of that 5 years ago once I started working for myself.
Those "casual" games you listed were fun for about an hour or two. I wouldn't have paid full price for any of them.
No one has brand loyalty anymore on anything. If you ask me, the only loyalty I have is for the PC and the desire for all games to have a PC port so I never have to buy a console again.
The point is, it would still give you at least a little bit of a familiar name to massage people into the idea, and the games themselves are old enough that they can take enough liberty with gameplay and design decisions for it to function as a "new" game. Either way you get a new franchise game and something that you can potentially expand on, but this route starts you off with a foot in the door as far as getting a customer's attention. It's a small step, but still one less job you have to do in the long run.AniHawk said:
AceBandage
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TAS said:
I think Monster should make it, since the team that made GX aren't really around anymore.
Give it good online and stable FPS and you have a winner.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Ridleyscott said:
1. Yes. There aren't enough great high-quality third party games on the Wii. But the market forged itself through the success of the Wii Sports lines and the new control method. I'm sure a Japanese third party developer would rather make a game on the Wii because of the larger usebase, but something is telling them there game would sell better on 360. Quite frankly I would agree.
2. 2.5D games are nostaltic when they are called Super Mario Bros and Donkey Kong Returns. Especially when they simile the past great franchise in theme.
3. Well retail wise we know you can't put a game out on the shelf for 5-10$. And then the question is how do you get grandma to buy a 3DS and go on the e-shop to buy Brain-Age 3.
4. Brand loyalty is absolutely taken into consideraton in this entertainment business. Think about Apple and SONY. There definitely is a following. Not that I am enforcing it on anyone.
From The Dust
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AceBandage said:
unlockable bots or bust
Freezie KO
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BowieZ said:
Co-signed.
Never seen anyone try so hard to make entire threads, no matter what the topic, about his own worthless opinions.
CoffeeJanitor
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Shikamura is Amir0x?BowieZ said:
i kid i kid
Father_Brain
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JCRedeems said:
It's not a binary hypothetical. Nintendo could almost certainly have given Wii specs that were much more competitive (though perhaps not on par) with the two HD consoles than what we got, and still turned a per-unit profit at $300. That might not have been enough to guarantee Wii versions of every PS360 title, let alone a flood of core-oriented exclusives, but it'd have at least fit somewhere in the HD development pipeline instead of falling completely outside it.
AceBandage
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From The Dust said:
Wouldn't that just be single player?
Hot Coldman
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Willy105 said:
Mario on the piano, argument SUPER valid
AceBandage said:
One thing that seriously needs to be mentioned here though, StarTropics potential isn't something that should be understated. To a large group of people, these games have never existed and a ST made today would for damn sure be a whole 'nother event than it was back in 1990 when fledgling Nintendo was trying to tap into the west. I think it has potential simply because it has the following:
- No real boundaries in terms of the universe. There wasn't anything established in the series other than interstellar shenanigans and tropics/tropical settings & superstitions. Building off that can result in a pretty awesome original setting and scenario coupled with the puzzle-platforming cavernous action stages that made up the bulk of the first two games. The latter could totally make for some interesting takes on progression and level design.
- Potential for gameplay that isn't really done by Nintendo currently (as much as I hate just referencing other games to make a point for this one, it really could be a variety of different things, the most prominent of which would be becoming the Nintendo Uncharted, except with a reason for the aliens
)- It'd give Retro complete jurisdiction over what they create since anything made now would pretty much be 99.9% brand new and have no need to tie into the past games beyond major characters and certain settings.
- It could actually show off some novel uses of motion controls if done right, even though just supporting motion more at this point shouldn't be the only reason for reviving something like this.
This is a topic for another thread however, so I'll end this with a "patiently waiting for next week/E3" and hope something good breaks even a few minutes before then.
AceBandage
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Esiquio said:
Except that Blue Ocean is no longer the BlueOcean.
The new BlueOcean needs to be found.
But at the same time, there's far less competition in the old Red Ocean, with Sony and MS focusing more on Move and Kinect.
AzureJericho said:One thing that seriously needs to be mentioned here though, StarTropics potential isn't something that should be understated. To a large group of people, these games have never existed and a ST made today would for damn sure be a whole 'nother event than it was back in 1990 when fledgling Nintendo was trying to tap into the west. I think it has potential simply because it has the following:
- No real boundaries in terms of the universe. There wasn't anything established in the series other than interstellar shenanigans and tropics/tropical settings & superstitions. Building off that can result in a pretty awesome original setting and scenario coupled with the puzzle-platforming cavernous action stages that made up the bulk of the first two games. The latter could totally make for some interesting takes on progression and level design.
- Potential for gameplay that isn't really done by Nintendo currently (as much as I hate just referencing other games to make a point for this one, it really could be a variety of different things, the most prominent of which would be becoming the Nintendo Uncharted, except with a reason for the aliens
- It'd give Retro complete jurisdiction over what they create since anything made now would pretty much be 99.9% brand new and have no need to tie into the past games beyond major characters and certain settings.
- It could actually show off some novel uses of motion controls if done right, even though just supporting motion more at this point shouldn't be the only reason for reviving something like this.
This is a topic for another thread however, so I'll end this with a "patiently waiting for next week/E3" and hope something good breaks even a few minutes before then.
Wonderfully stated.
Startropics would be a perfect "adventure" type game and could be a wonderful showcase for the system, in loo of Zelda. And it's more futuristic setting would have a bigger appeal as well.
Gamer @ Heart
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Ugh, listening to podcasts speculate on Nintendo is just painful sometimes. You are worried that they dont know how to make games in HD? Are you fucking kidding me?
AceBandage
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BowieZ said:
Which is silly, considering how many of Nintendo's Wii games have textures that were already HD.
Dolphin proves this.
Father_Brain said:
It wouldn't have sold as many consoles if were $300 and 3rd parties wouldn't be as compelled to port their games over to a smaller install base. Remember the Gamecube? The Gamecube was on par with its competitors spec wise but still didn't get many of the big 3rd party games. Moreover Nintendo wouldn't have made much of a profit (if any at all) on every $300 Gamecube 2 sold.
I can see as a "core" gamer a Gamecube 2 would have been awesome but for Nintendo as a business going the Wii route was probably the smartest move in video game history.... business wise.
BowieZ said:
I'm sure it was because HDTV's were way too unpopular back in 2006 for their standards to justify rising the price of the system to get HD capability.
What would there be about HD development that would cause their development teams not be skilled enough? It's not like going from 2D to 3D (the reason Earthbound 64 (Mother 3) was cancelled).
Skiesofwonder
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Speaking of which, a new endless ocean in HD would be spectacular.
3D would be nice as well.
3D would be nice as well.
AceBandage
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Skiesofwonder said:Speaking of which, a new endless ocean in HD would be spectacular.
3D would be nice as well.
That would make a great online community game.
Not an MMO, but expand it to like 10 players or so.
And add in video chat via the controller and you have yourself an awesome social game.
Father_Brain
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JCRedeems said:
The insane shortages/scalping Wii went through multiple times prior to its first price cut indicate that it would have sold just fine at $300; when demand is outstripping supply to that degree, that's a pretty good indicator that your product is underpriced (in market terms, not a subjective sense). Also, I edited my post to clarify that I meant specs that were more competitive with HD consoles, not necessarily on the same technical level.
From The Dust
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Skiesofwonder said:Speaking of which, a new endless ocean in HD would be spectacular.
3D would be nice as well.
headtracking would be put to great use as well
Gamer @ Heart
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AceBandage said:
Exactly. Its a technological thing, not an artistic design one.
BuggyDClown
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Tried looking through search, meant to bookmark it. Someone said early in the thread there was no way this would hit 15000 posts and move this fast this long. Hahaha. I knew it would happen, wish I could find it.
AceBandage
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BowieZ said:
It's all coming together...
Everything makes sense now...
HenryGale said:
It is weird that an HD successor to the Wii is moving faster than a 3D successor to the DS...
I guess people on GAF just really love HD Nintendo.
From The Dust
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BowieZ said:
you make it sound like Nintendo will have good online. lolololololol!
And this is the sort of reaction that leads me to say that Nintendo shouldn't apply the Wii brand to the system itself. Continue to use it on some games and peripherals if you want, but there's too large a group of "core" gamers that mentally tune out the moment Wii is mentioned. That's not a reaction you want right out of the gate.yoopoo said:
Skiesofwonder
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These endless ocean ideas, I must have it! Give me give me
These endless ocean ideas, I must have it! Give me give me
Ridleyscott said:
I don't think you understand what the blue ocean is. It's creating a product to appeal to users that are not served in the current marketplace (the blue ocean) rather than overserved users already in the marketplace (red ocean). Casuals right now between Nintendo products, Kinect, facebook, iOS, etc., are, if anything, the overserved red ocean.
To boot, I don't understand your grandstanding about Nintendo abandoning the casuals. The rumors state that they are making nice with third parties and the hardware easy for ports so that good core third party games can appear, as opposed to the exclusive shit that appeared on the Wii (third party exclusives are dead, deal with it). But it's like you are ignoring the parts about "motion better than Move" and "controller with touchscreen than could have awesome applications."
AceBandage
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I don't think it's the Wii brand, I think those people tune out the moment anything related to Nintendo at all is mentioned, since their games are, like, colorful and shit. I don't think Nintendo will ever appeal to people in that category no matter what they do.Doorman said:
Doorman said:
Nintendo wants to keep its base of customers and get some "extra" core gamers along too. Getting rid of the Wii name is foolish unless Nintendo really has caught lightning in a bottle with this new gimmick andn can be sure that the women, kids, and old people who actually made them succesful are gonna show up for this next console. Nintendo will never have a succesful system by relying primarily on the same consumers that Sony and Microsoft rely on.
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GC had the best triggers of any controller ever for me. The feel, the resistance, plus the click made it phenomenal to use in nearly every case imo.
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