Rumor: Wii U final specs
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Projectjustice
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I see the haters are in here throwing around negative guesstimates destroying this thread.
Nice!!!
Nice!!!
I'm use to it on Gaf, people jumping to guesses and conclusions.
20.36
No duct tape though; it's held together by hopes, fear and the fading memories of when this "how many _____ duct taped together?" joke was still funny...
Speculation! The horror!
Smurfman256
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On the 360, it's actually 1024x600p with 2XMSAA. On the PS3, its 960x544 with 2XMSAA. I wouldn't be suprised if the Wii U version doesn't have any AA though (the jaggies @1920x1080 are so small, you barely even notice then).
Fourth Storm
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I think we can extrapolate a bit based on ballpark die sizes and the unlikelyhood that the GPU is being manufactured on a 28nm process with eDRAM that Renesas has kept entirely hidden from the rest of the world. That there's been no mention of them scaling down to that process in years is quite telling. At some point it seemed they were going for it, but there was never any report on the result.
If the ALU count is lower than expected, then it makes sense for the clocks to be somewhat higher. I'm going with this now:
GPU: 600 Mhz
CPU: 1200 or 1800 Mhz (1800 might make more sense but Espresso did say that the clock was only slightly higher than Broadway, and it seems he had legit sources)
MEM2: DDR3 at 900 Mhz - 28.8 GB/s (better than I previously speculated)
I know that after 6 years with my PS3, what I'm really crying out for is an almost imperceptibly smaller electricity bill.
I'm not saying that any of the speculation is wrong I'm just saying Nintendo made the GameCube a small console that is more powerful than the PS2 and 100$ cheaper, and Nintendo in Iwata asks is comparing the Wii U to the GameCube the whole time.
XtremeXpider
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The same can be said for some Nintendo users, it is the same for both sides.
MadeInBeats
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They seen BG's hiatus announcement as an opportunity to impose their low ball bullshit policies around. Thread is probably dead now. Move on.
metalslimer
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It also came out a year later which everyone seems to forget when talking about the size and power comparisons.
Yeah but the GameCube was built an amazing way, in Iwata asks it seems like the Wii U had the GameCube in mind.
Silent_Ocarina
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That really doesn't tell us how Wii U will compare to current generation consoles and next generation consoles.
Aizu_Itsuko
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You are doing the exact same thing you are complaining about, believing certain numbers instead of others, not knowing if they are true or not.
It's just a game console.
I said in my other post that I'm not believing anything until the true facts come out.
Not to say I don't agree with you but you are in the wrong thread.
Aizu_Itsuko
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Yes, but at the same time you are more willing to accept certain numbers over others. People do that all the time, you are right, but that's to be expected and going "GAF is this or that" discourages any further discussion. Just look at how much time has passed between posts in the current page.
Nothing wrong with you or anything, I'm sick right now so sorry if it gave you that impression.
Doesn't help.
Like the hat?
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how many fligglefloppys are 360 and ps3?
Smurfman256
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CPU (Theoretical|Actual):
*Xbox 360=116GFLOPS|29GFLOPS
*PS3=216(?)GFLOPS|~30-35GFLOPS
GPU(Theoretical|Actual)
*Xbox 360=240GFLOPS|190-200GFLOPS
*PS3=500GFLOPS|220GFLOPS
Do you have a source for these figures?
XtremeXpider
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Source?
bgassassin
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Definitely plausible, but also plausible is that the guy from Tezzaron may have been right in some fashion after all.
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4205093/Renesas-moves-to-fab-lite-strategy-semiconductor
Could be why nothing smaller than 40nm is on their site.
Actually a little over 600, but even what I'm saying is a guesstimate and not confirmed.
Most likely in the GPU LSI.
Forsaken82
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So... 720p is what? half HD?
UltraMagnanimous
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It's 550Gflops. Give or take.
I'll take, thanks.
bgassassin
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Same.
UltraMagnanimous
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I may have just made that up.
I'm not going to say anything but some people also said that about the GPGPU and 2GB.
bgassassin
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Maybe so, but for me and probably Azak as well, I'm saying I'd be fine with that if that's the case.
specialguy
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What about GPGPU? At best it's confusing as to Wii U.
2GB was a phyric victory unless they can/do free more up for games. 1GB for games is actually more than I expected (I think at times debbie downer here predicted as little as 768 MB) but still a little disappointing, especially once the tablet stuff takes it's pound of flesh.
If you're looking at Durango having 6GB for games for example, 6:1 isn't a very mid-gen console ratio or something to easily port around. Hell it's similar to the Wii-360 split.
bgassassin
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Why does it have to be a victory at all though? What's wrong with just being happy Nintendo actually went with 2GB?
They can free up more space for games, they did it for the 3DS and they are doing it for Wii U, the 6GB rumor for the Xbox 720 is obviously not going to be all for the games, every rumor states the Xbox 720 more PC/mediabox console, so a lot of ram will be for those while some will be for the games.
Also what I mean about the GPGPU is a lot of people said "it's a Nintendo fanboy's dream for GPGPU happening" and than it did, so a little above 600GFLOPS shouldn't be asking for too much if it is it.
XtremeXpider
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For a next gen console?
Durango won't have 6GB for games. Kinect 2.0 is looking to be a big thing for the next Xbox and it will likely have RAM dedicated to it.
Gemüsepizza
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Well, some people here think that the Wii U can compete with other Nextgen consoles like the PS4 and the Xbox 720. That they can easily port games from them to Wii U. But I just don't see it. We have this here:
We know that the Wii U consumes about 50 watt. We have leaked specs which mention a DX10 gpu. We have multiplat titles which look barely better than on PS3 and Xbox 360. The Wii U will cost 300 and will be profitable. We have a controller which is almost half of the price. Now we know that the Wii U has 2 GB. What does it change? I think not much. To have over 1 GB is "nice" for exclusives. I am sure there is a possibility, that they can look better than current gen titles. But I don't think it is enough to compete with the PS4 and Xbox 720.
Even if there are only 4 GB for games, compared to the 1+ GB of the Wii U it's still a lot, how easy will it be to port a game which runs at 720p and 30fps on the new Xbox to the Wii U? And then there is different power, different feature sets...
Gemüsepizza;43108670 said:
We also had rumors that the Wii U GPU can handle DX11, we heard rumors that the PS4 ram is also 2GB but it could also be 4GB at retail, we heard the Xbox 720 will come with Kinect 2 which will raise the price, the PS4 and Xbox 720 are in the same situation as the Wii U.
there is no end to the desire of those who just want more. Give them one, they ask for two. Give them two and the next time they will ask for five instead of three, their desire growing exponentially. Genyo Takeda
bgassassin
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Gemüsepizza;43108670 said:
But how does all of that relate to what I said? I'm saying why does it have to be viewed as some kind of competition and that in turn Wii U has a "pseudo-win", when we could instead be happy that it has 2GB for usage? Meelow only pointed that out in his post because some were saying those other two things were impossible.
Gemüsepizza;43108670 said:
No different than the people who seem to think the next consoles are going to be taking on high end pcs. WiiU is not Wii. Devs can and will port unless you expect every title to have major budgets and the best teams pushing for a few years on everything.
Gemüsepizza
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I don't see much evidence for that now, unless the production company of the GPU has secretly switched to a 28nm process.
That was a very old rumor, I don't think that, at this point, anyone believes this will be true.
...but it probably won't be 300 with Kinect 2, and considering all this is 1 year later, and we don't know how much profit Nintendo makes and how much the others are willing to lose, and then there are the other things I mentioned. I don't think they are in "the same situations", at all.
How I see it, some here think there is a competition to prove that the Wii U will be competitive. But I still doubt very much that this will be the case. For the reasons I mentioned.
You can port everything from every console to another console, but don't expect it will look the same or is financially feasible. If there is a difference as big as I expect between the Wii U and other consoles, nothing will change much.
I use DX as a quick abbreviation for certain generations of gpus.
Grampa Simpson
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Ah the religious wars. It's like specialguy and Gemüsepizza have shown up at a brights meeting and keep insisting that they need to be saved by jesus.
I know that you want to save the heatens, but they don't want to be saved.
I know that you want to save the heatens, but they don't want to be saved.
bgassassin
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Gemüsepizza;43109710 said:
But to me that's a different type of competition. I'm referring to what Wii U achieves or doesn't achieve with its hardware. Like for example I've stated many o' times what I think the GPU's power would be, but if it's wrong it's wrong. I don't win anything for being right and don't lose anything for being wrong. I just like discussing the tech and trying to figure out what it might look like. That's why I'm saying I don't understand why it has to be considered any kind of victory if Wii U does reach certain levels. Instead just enjoy that it can do this or has that if that's the case.