If there was a different core architecture involved, the word "Broadway" had not appeared at all.How can you say it use the same CPU ?
Because of the word broadway ? May I politely recall you that theres also the word enhanced ?
Now, put togethers, and it litteraly change the sense of the term.
My favorite part about the specs of this system is that Nintendo fanboys can't determine what they're rooting for.
One week they say that graphics don't matter, and it's all about the innovative gameplay. The next day they're laughing at people impressed by Star Wars 1313, Watch_Dogs, et al.
As far as I'm concerned there have been far more rumors suggesting that the Wii U will be on par with a supercharged 360 rather than a real generational leap, much like the Wii before it.
While I don't doubt that Nintendo will make bank on Mario and Zelda as they always do, it leaves me baffled at what they hell they were thinking when it comes to third party support.
This shit will get dropped quicker than the Wii did once the 720 and PS4 are running Madden on Frostbite 2 and Call of Duty with visuals on par with high-end BF3 rigs. And that will just be the beginning.
Personally I don't care about the thing's graphical output because the Upad will at least be able to provide me with a real gaming experience (unlike the Wiimote) so I'll be able to enjoy their first party titles this time around. I'm curious to see how it affects them overall. The Wii had a few years of phenomenal sales while the fad was still fresh, but it's obvious how quickly it fell flat once everyone got their 30 minute fill of Wii Sports.
Now that the controller is much more traditional in presentation and design I don't think the gimmick factor will translate into sales nearly as well this time around. Couple that with potential poor third party support and you could have a recipe for disaster.
All of this is still speculation of course, but it makes you wonder why Nintendo has refused to release full details of the console's power up to this point.
And the Wii U it appears is three Wiis pasted together with tablet controls.
Sigh.
If there was a different core architecture involved, the word "Broadway" had not appeared at all.
It's all about the raw power and graphics, right? *sigh*
Heres some specs you guys will enjoy:
If the Wii U was identical power-wise to the original Wii, but with an HDMI port, had the same online as the original Wii, and still used motion plus (no gamepad), id still pay 300 bucks for it no problem. As long as they are going to make more first party Nintendo games and the occasional weird game like Muramasa etc, id pay whatever, even with little to no increase in power. Even with no upgrade to online. Just HDMI and the promise of more games is good enough for me.
So for me, anything above a standard Wii with an HDMI tacked on is beyond good enough.
This is the power of first party Nintendo games.
Neither of those are part of the same COD/Madden playing sector of gamers who bought more HD consoles than Wiis. The ones Sony and MS are targeting. Any argument about IOS or whatever that fails to recognize how different the markets are, fails before it begins.
My favorite part about the specs of this system is that Nintendo fanboys can't determine what they're rooting for.
One week they say that graphics don't matter, and it's all about the innovative gameplay. The next day they're laughing at people impressed by Star Wars 1313, Watch_Dogs, et al.
As far as I'm concerned there have been far more rumors suggesting that the Wii U will be on par with a supercharged 360 rather than a real generational leap, much like the Wii before it.
While I don't doubt that Nintendo will make bank on Mario and Zelda as they always do, it leaves me baffled at what they hell they were thinking when it comes to third party support.
This shit will get dropped quicker than the Wii did once the 720 and PS4 are running Madden on Frostbite 2 and Call of Duty with visuals on par with high-end BF3 rigs. And that will just be the beginning.
Personally I don't care about the thing's graphical output because the Upad will at least be able to provide me with a real gaming experience (unlike the Wiimote) so I'll be able to enjoy their first party titles this time around. I'm curious to see how it affects them overall. The Wii had a few years of phenomenal sales while the fad was still fresh, but it's obvious how quickly it fell flat once everyone got their 30 minute fill of Wii Sports.
Now that the controller is much more traditional in presentation and design I don't think the gimmick factor will translate into sales nearly as well this time around. Couple that with potential poor third party support and you could have a recipe for disaster.
All of this is still speculation of course, but it makes you wonder why Nintendo has refused to release full details of the console's power up to this point.
Uh what?
Yeah, but Nintendo didn't aim to be the secondary system with WiiU, and there will certainly be less odd Japanese exclusives next generation if the 3DS situation is any indication.
I think Nintendo's best bet is to play off of the gamepad features and try to win the digital war by pimping out the eshop. They may win by default if the 720/PS4 slip into 2014.
You'd pay 300$ for a hdmi out? that's just weird....Heres some specs you guys will enjoy:
If the Wii U was identical power-wise to the original Wii, but with an HDMI port, had the same online as the original Wii, and still used motion plus (no gamepad), id still pay 300 bucks for it no problem. As long as they are going to make more first party Nintendo games and the occasional weird game like Muramasa etc, id pay whatever, even with little to no increase in power. Even with no upgrade to online. Just HDMI and the promise of more games is good enough for me.
So for me, anything above a standard Wii with an HDMI tacked on is beyond good enough.
This is the power of first party Nintendo games.
Heres some specs you guys will enjoy:
If the Wii U was identical power-wise to the original Wii, but with an HDMI port, had the same online as the original Wii, and still used motion plus (no gamepad), id still pay 300 bucks for it no problem. As long as they are going to make more first party Nintendo games and the occasional weird game like Muramasa etc, id pay whatever, even with little to no increase in power. Even with no upgrade to online. Just HDMI and the promise of more games is good enough for me.
So for me, anything above a standard Wii with an HDMI tacked on is beyond good enough.
This is the power of first party Nintendo games.
Hey i dont play Madden or Call of Duty or BF3. I dont even consider those games, id rather read a book or play guitar or something than touch any of that. So no, i wont be dropping anything once xboxwhatever comes. You guys need to realize not everyone plays these types of games. Some people have different interest and focus.
Oh please. Sony and Microsoft would die for those audiences -- it isn't that they don't want them, it's that they can't get them.
The suggestion that Sony is purposefully limiting themselves to a small, unprofitable subsection of gamers is absurd.
You cannot talk about the industry without talking about iOS and Facebook anymore. I understand that the world is nicer if we can just talk about the home consoles you happen to personally care about -- and in game discussion threads, you can -- but any industry analysis is pathetically myopic without handhelds, mobile platforms, and F2P/browser gaming included at this point.
The age when we could discuss the "gaming industry" and implicitly only be talking about home consoles is long since passed. If you'd like to remain blindered, you'll have to talk to someone else.
To say nothing of the fact that most Wii sales didn't translate into higher adoption of software found on the other consoles + PC.
It may have increased the overall console userbase, but it was hardly responsible for software sales outside of Nintendo's IPs.
That's some fine fucking shit you're smoking.
Also, do you really believe the "entire" growth was due to the Wii? It sold great, amazing even, but it was all in a bubble that could not be sustained for an entire generation, resulting in larger than normal drops the following years. Not only that but no matter how well any system sells, it does not account for the "entire" growth of any generation.
It is true. The Industry was not nearly as healthy as people believed which explains why so many studios closed etc. People bet on the wrong horse etc
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Internal 8gb...man I appreciate the ability to use external harddrives but are they really going to be that fucking cheap where they release a console with only 8 gb of internal storage at launch? Goddam Nintendo.
WowIt is true. The Industry was not nearly as healthy as people believed which explains why so many studios closed etc. People bet on the wrong horse etc
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That's like saying "Well yeah McDonald's is number 1 but if you take Subway and Quizno's they clearly satisfied more people's appetite."
A million people buy burgers at McDonald's.
3/4 of a million people buy fried fish at Subway.
3/4 of a million people buy fried fish at Quizno's.
"McDonald's (among other things) show that most people don't care about fried fish!"
Agree or disagree?
(Oh and in case it's not abundantly clear, the figures are illustrative)
Oh sh-t, I'm having a 'someone is wrong on the internet' moment. Look, I can't be any clearer in what we were talking about. Sorry.
And yes, I am applying a context. Absolutely. That's kind of what happens when you reply to a point. It becomes couched in the context of the point. I admit I narrowed the context to look at home consoles this gen, but I was honest about that from the get-go.
Internal 8gb...man I appreciate the ability to use external harddrives but are they really going to be that fucking cheap where they release a console with only 8 gb of internal storage at launch? Goddam Nintendo.
A million people buy burgers at McDonald's.
3/4 of a million people buy fried fish at Subway.
3/4 of a million people buy fried fish at Quizno's.
I knew these responses were coming.
McDonalds sells fish filets but the other two places don't sell anything fish related.
McDonalds sells fish filets but the other two places don't sell anything fish related.
But then it's only fair you add Burger King into the mix....
IMO your argument is invalid, you should look at every console individually. When you do, the Wii is clearly the best selling.
Subway has tuna fish
It is true. The Industry was not nearly as healthy as people believed which explains why so many studios closed etc. People bet on the wrong horse etc
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Subway has tuna fish
A million people buy burgers at McDonald's.
3/4 of a million people buy fried fish at Subway.
3/4 of a million people buy fried fish at Quizno's.
"McDonald's (among other things) show that most people don't care about fried fish!"
Agree or disagree?
(Oh and in case it's not abundantly clear, the figures are illustrative)
Oh sh-t, I'm having a 'someone is wrong on the internet' moment. Look, I can't be any clearer in what we were talking about. Sorry.
And yes, I am applying a context. Absolutely. That's kind of what happens when you reply to a point. It becomes couched in the context of the point. I admit I narrowed the context to look at home consoles this gen, but I was honest about that from the get-go.
I dont think nintendo is worried too much about piracy. Everyone laughed ans said the 3ds would be cracked the day it came out. One year later...
What "patterns" do the Wii, Browser and Facebook have in common? I'm not saying that something like the Wii is necessarily a one off that will never happen again, but that it's not something you can harness that easily(as facebook/iOS) and it goes beyond just being cheap technology that people can obtain at a low price.How about the iPhone/iOS? Facebook/Browser platform? DS? How many enormously successful "anomalies" need to exist before a pattern is detected?
More or less, yeah. The Wii is a real outlier when it comes to the power disparity. Has there every been such a huge difference between the victor and losers in any generation besides this one? It's a far bigger difference than the one between the GC and PS2 or the SNES and Genesis. Power is important, but definitely not the most important factor one should consider when trying to predict who will "win" the generation.First off, all he said was that hardware specifications don't matter that much in the marketplace. And you're talking about the Wii being an anomaly...are you on the same page, or are you roundabout claiming that specs DO matter, and the Wii is the only counter-example?
If the latter, the Wii was indeed an anomaly in that it had motion control, sure. But where's the precedent for the polar opposite: the biggest horsepower winning a console war? SNES? (And even that's only by a slim margin in the States thanks to maintaining support through 1996...). N64 had obvious improvements over PS1 but PS1 undoubtedly beat the shorts off everyone else. PS2 did the same, being beaten to market solely by Dreamcast and Nintendo and MS lagging behind by over a year with superior, much more streamlined hardware. Looking to handhelds, Game Boy with its horrible spinach-green screen and largely mediocre game library reigned king of handhelds for nearly a decade. Game Gear and Lynx clearly had better specs. The "winner" of a gen is not the king of the spec sheet, more often than not.
As much as I want Wii U to be right up there with whatever MS pumps out (and I do), I recognize there's still an opportunity for Wii U to be PS2-2 with great Nintendo games. And I'm okay with that. (And if third parties drop the ball once again, I've got a perfectly good gaming PC at the ready.)
I'm really pissed about the specs, but I have to admit that I'd still buy the Wii U if Smash looks good(not just visually) or if the online network is genuinely improved to the point that the difference between the Nintendo network and the other online services is not a gaping chasm. I know the difference between the big three won't be so large this time graphically. No one is going to pull a $699 4K console on us and everyone will be playing between 720p and 1080p. I know a made a post earlier in this thread saying that the Wii U might be another Wii which is definitely a bit of hyperbole. Nintendo really walks a fine line between the core and casual approach at this point though. I guess it just gets to me. Need to cool my jets.It all depends on the support now really. Fact is, this time all three console will play on the same resolution (1080p, though I am completely aware that most Wii U games wont reach that) and more or less similar architecture right?
So I don't view the specs as a huge problem. It just sucks knowing that they could have made this console much better than what we are getting, that's what hurts enthusiasts the most IMO.
Now all they need to do is catch up to the original Xbox in terms of online infrastructure and we're good to go!
Eh. External hard drives make this a non issue. But doesn't it open the door to piracy from the get go?
oooh yeah, completely forgot about that.
Is this the new Nintendo thread cycle?
Next gen talk> Wii U graphical capabilities> Where it fits generation wise> Graphics vs. Gameplay> 3rd party support issue> sustainability> fast food fish?
That's one interesting twist I have to say o_0
It is true. The Industry was not nearly as healthy as people believed which explains why so many studios closed etc. People bet on the wrong horse etc
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burger king also has a fish sandwich
It is true. The Industry was not nearly as healthy as people believed which explains why so many studios closed etc. People bet on the wrong horse etc
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burger king also has a fish sandwich
It is true. The Industry was not nearly as healthy as people believed which explains why so many studios closed etc. People bet on the wrong horse etc
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Those are both cute ways of saying "Wii"
Which also happened to be grossly underpowered.
I dont think nintendo is worried too much about piracy. Everyone laughed ans said the 3ds would be cracked the day it came out. One year later...