Exactly. So if they sell it for $150 or whatever doesn't mean Nintendo would have had $150 extra to spend on the hardware
Rumor: Wii U final specs
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Exactly. So if they sell it for $150 or whatever doesn't mean Nintendo would have had $150 extra to spend on the hardware
NVM, re-read your post.
if that how he feels then he should skip all nintendo systems that'll have 'gimmick'.
as for me, i liked the gimmick. i liked the games i played using the gimmick. i also enjoyed ps2 games. and if i get a chance, i think i'll find something likable about the new gimmick too.
It's only a gimmick because Nintendo is doing it. :^p
Seriously though, I mentioned this earlier in this thread (I think) but a screen in the controller seems like a natural evolution and not even a new one.
This is from an earlier post of.
A few pages back, but I thought I might reply to these:
Yes, but the Wii has an MCM, and they've been working with the same hardware providers effectively since the Gamecube. It seems a bit odd to bring it up as a particular point with the Wii U.
This is a possibility. It's worth noting that Renesas is shifting to fabless operation sub 40nm, and has joined the Global Foundies/IBM alliance for fabbing at 32nm/28nm and below. I don't know what that might mean for Renesas's eDRAM if it is a 32nm or even 28nm chip, although I suppose a relatively straightforward die-shrink is possible. Alternatively, it's possible that the reason that the UX8GD isn't officially available is simply that they reworked it for GloFlo's 32nm process.
Yes, but the Wii has an MCM, and they've been working with the same hardware providers effectively since the Gamecube. It seems a bit odd to bring it up as a particular point with the Wii U.
This is a possibility. It's worth noting that Renesas is shifting to fabless operation sub 40nm, and has joined the Global Foundies/IBM alliance for fabbing at 32nm/28nm and below. I don't know what that might mean for Renesas's eDRAM if it is a 32nm or even 28nm chip, although I suppose a relatively straightforward die-shrink is possible. Alternatively, it's possible that the reason that the UX8GD isn't officially available is simply that they reworked it for GloFlo's 32nm process.
bgassassin
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You've been positive?
Average is 40. I have felt that the CPU is less than 10w and the GPU is greater than 15w.
I think what they are saying with Wii U is that the MCM in it has both the CPU and GPU as opposed to just the GPU in Wii. They did mention that Wii used separate dies for the CPU and GPU.
They could do the same much better at 1080p and 60FPS with 4xMSAA.
And for something I missed, for games like pikmin 3 and BLOPS 2, you can use the wiiremote as you main controller and have the gamepad as a supplementary screen touchpad, to easily navigate a map, or have hotkeys, and to clean up the HUD.
Yep, but the Wii's MCM still has multiple dies on it (GPU+DSP+ARM, if I'm not mistaken). Actually, who manufactured the DSP and ARM components in the Wii? If it was NEC then that might make sense (ie. a fully NEC built MCM vs. a Renesas & IBM MCM).
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It could be just a matter of difference in complexities between the MCM of the Wii and the one in the WiiU. WiiU's MCM is more in line with 360's Valhalla (which is still an MCM, despite people calling it a SoC).
I don't think so ;p
Didnt Rensesas merge with NEC?
specialguy
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You've been positive?
Well I still assumed the Wii U would be well more powerful than PS3/360 (maybe like, 50% on the GPU). Now sometimes I even doubt that again.
But we still have lots of historical hinting at a more powerful GPU, and I fail to see how any 150mm 40nm GPU, even with EDRAM, shouldn't top current gen.
I wonder how the system would be looking had they dedicated like, 100mm to the cpu instead of 30. Silicon is silicon I guess.
right now with launch games i guess a good summation is better gpu, lesser cpu, equals about the same overall, compared to current gen.
even though we had hints, seeing in the flesh that the cpu is tiny has to be discouraging.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I know you pull those figures out of non-sunshiny places, but for the sake of playing along: If U-GPU was Xenos verbatim with 32MB eDRAM (actually embedded, and not ROP'ed), you'd already have a fairly more capable GPU. Tiling was far from being free on Xenos.
XtremeXpider
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With the info that we have, can we expect a CPU more powerful than Cell or Xenon?
Somebody called me "not serious" when I have said that Wii U CPU can be weaker than PS360 CPU
Somebody called me "not serious" when I have said that Wii U CPU can be weaker than PS360 CPU
JordanN
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Sure. Everything still lacks context at this point.
Interesting, I didn't know that antialiasing could make a game more fun. Thanks for clarifying.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Anti-aliasing is the fun shader.
Technically speaking, couldn't the Wii U's MCM be considered a SoC? It's got a CPU, GPU, a bit of memory and possibly an I/O chip.
Renesas merged with/bought out NEC's microelectronics division. I referred to NEC as that's what they were when they were making the Wii.
It won't be as powerful in raw floating point performance, but to be honest I wouldn't expect PS4 or XBox3's CPUs to be as powerful in raw floating point performance as Xenon and Cell. The fact that it's got out-of-order execution and a much bigger cache should benefit things like AI quite a bit, though, and being able to offload physics to the GPU, audio to the DSP and I/O to a dedicated ARM chip should help out significantly.
lwilliams3
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The CPU's design seems to have different strengths and weaknesses compared to Cell or Xenon. The current-gen CPUs are weak at doing general tasks, for example, while the U-CPU may be a lot stronger at that.
SquiddyCracker
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Wii U is pretty weak, cheap, but solidly built.
Powerwise, overall, it is probably going to be twice as good as current gen.
Is this confirmed or is this just more guesstimates?
JordanN
Banned
It's a guess.
No developer has came forward with their performance findings and the console hasn't been reversed engineered.
That's what I thought, and the whole 2x kinda gets hit because the Ram is 4x the 360.
The Wii U has modern tech, Nintendo would have to pay more money to make the Wii U weaker/par/slightly better than the PS3/360.
JaseMath
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Twice as good as Wii or twice as good as PS3/360? I can live happily with the latter.
I'm guessing this is a joke question lol.
Twice as much RAM allocated to games and titles like NSMB Wii U running at a whopping 720 p.
JordanN
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The Wii shouldn't even be in the question as no amount of multipliers would give you programmable shaders.
So yeah, hopefully he's joking. If not...
2GB is still 2GB, people can take away the OS ram from the 360 and it will still make the difference even if it's for games, and NSMBU running in 720p means it's weak? That's news to me.
So if you had 2 GB with 1.75 GB dedicated to the OS that would still be impressive to you? I think not. What matters is what is available to games, and as it stands, its twice the Xbox 360. Hey, its an increase. Not that it matters much as not a single game looks substantially better than current gen and in some cases, are inexcusably simple. NSMBU is a first party title, is simplistic in nature and is only running at 720 p.
How much of the OS ram does the 360 use?
Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is "full HD" and that's a 3D game, it's more impressive, and Trine 2 is 1080p which has better graphics than NSMBU.
XtremeXpider
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32MB.
Um, Black Ops 2 and Trine 2 are native 1080p? Really?
We know they are 1080p, we still have to know if it's native.
BriareosGAF
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JordanN
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We had a developer confirm Trine 2 was 720p. Unless that changed.
XtremeXpider
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Link?
JordanN
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"Should have at least resized them to 720p which is the Wii U resolution. Sorry!"
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38685181&postcount=114
If they are native than I am right.
XtremeXpider
Member
Than where did I hear 1080p from?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, an MCM is a packaging technique - as long as you have multiple chips/dies on the same substrate it's an MCM (if it's not a 2.5D stack, that is). A SoC is usually 'almost everything' you'd need to make a complete system on a single die, RAM non-withstanding. Valhalla is not a SoC, just like AMD APUs are not SoCs either. But Hollywood, Xenos, Valhalla and U-MCM are all MCM packages.
Re Wii's Hollywood, if one really wanted to I guess they could call it a SoC, but let's not forget Starlet was essentially a coprocessor - Hollywood's big die was filled with coprocessors.
XtremeXpider
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WiiUDaily.
superchunk
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Wait, that 2D Mario game is NOT 720p? How come?
Because it wasn't necessary.
The game wouldn't gain anything going from 720p60fps to 1080p60fps unless you own a massive TV of which a very small % of the market does. Even then, its arguable that its worth the effort.
Damn people, this is the first run of games on a system that just barely finalized a few months ago.
I still can't believe people were expecting so much with 3rd party ports and a company (Nintendo) who never pushed the console 100% on day one.
Next Xmas these arguments about Wii U's power will be seen as stupid and way too early. When real next-gen games are shown on it. When first party stuff is shown that actually pushes the new technology. That's when all the naysayers will be like.... oh, yeah its clearly ahead of anything current and will be fine with PS4/neXtBox.
I wouldn't count on BLOPS 2 being 1080p either. The statement has yet to be clarified by them. And even though Full HD usually means 1080p I dont actually believe they have out right said "1080p". They may just be using the full HD term loosely as a buzz word . And I think Activision has been misleading on native resolution statements in the past.
Especially with all the confusion and speculation, and contention the over the actual resolution, I would think Activision would have cleared this up by now if it truly was 1080p. But at the same time they have not chosen to correct journalists from big sites that have reported it as 1080p
Especially with all the confusion and speculation, and contention the over the actual resolution, I would think Activision would have cleared this up by now if it truly was 1080p. But at the same time they have not chosen to correct journalists from big sites that have reported it as 1080p
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Yes, but one of the big deals about those ROPs was that they could provide free MSAA, if only the target could fit in that eDRAM. It was a huge irony, and it was on the devs.