Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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If Biden had gone into Ukraine against advisement and then ended up getting hit by a middle from Russia, even though the strike wasn't on NATO soil that would start WW3 right?
 
according to NOS (dutch BBC)

https://nos.nl/artikel/2422669-rusland-lijkt-doelen-bij-te-stellen-focus-nu-op-bevrijding-donbas

(translation by google translate)



could be good news if true, but it would seem such a loss of face that I'm scarcely readily to believe Putin would go along with it
Seems so:




Now that Ukraine is on the counter-offensive and mopping up the areas outside of Kyiv, Russia is declaring "mission accomplished" there and is shifting focus to eastern Ukraine.
 
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when we are hoping the leader of the free world is *just* suffering from dementia and not seriously saying something.
agreed, buts it not like we haven't lived with that same "the president didn't mean the literal words he just said" for the past 6 years between both Biden and Trump. I really hope whoever our next President is, he at least can say things without all of us having to do mental gymnastics to figure out what the hell is truth/miss speak/brain farts or miss direction.
 


They're…….. retreating.

Cracking Up Lol GIF
 
Tactical nukes are in the next step for Russia, it is in their game play. If they cant get Ukraine to surrender, Putin will escalate.

Report from Sweden.
 
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Tactical nukes are in the next step for Russia, it is in their game play. If they cant get Ukraine to surrender, Putin will escalate.

Report from Sweden.
I certainly worry about the state of mind of Putin (a humiliated person is a person at his most dangerous) but maybe, just maybe, we're going to crawl trough the eye of the needle yet again
 
Can anyone explain what was the rationale for Bidens trip to Poland?

For me it seems like a completely pointless trip whose only side effect would be to make the Russians feel even more threatened.
 
Can anyone explain what was the rationale for Bidens trip to Poland?

For me it seems like a completely pointless trip whose only side effect would be to make the Russians feel even more threatened.

show of support and reconfirmation of Article 5. shows support to deployed troops. shows a projection of power to Russia and a resolve that we are not going to get complacent or stop caring (a very common opinion of us westerners is that we grow board and will move on to the next news story after a short time)
 
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Can anyone explain what was the rationale for Bidens trip to Poland?

For me it seems like a completely pointless trip whose only side effect would be to make the Russians feel even more threatened.

He was in Belgium for a NATO meeting a couple of days ago and went to meet the Polish president. Could have done it over Zoom I suppose but that could be true for any meeting that isn't taking place in the White House and not just this one. Doubt it would make Russia feel more threatened unless your image of Biden is Rambo.
 
He was in Belgium for a NATO meeting a couple of days ago and went to meet the Polish president. Could have done it over Zoom I suppose but that could be true for any meeting that isn't taking place in the White House and not just this one. Doubt it would make Russia feel more threatened unless your image of Biden is Rambo.
Ok my bad I didn't realize he was already in Belgium. In which case a quick side trip to Poland to visit the troops can be justified.
 
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If Biden had gone into Ukraine against advisement and then ended up getting hit by a middle from Russia, even though the strike wasn't on NATO soil that would start WW3 right?

The prospect of Kamala becoming president if that happened would be more scarier than the possibility of WW3.
 
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Does anyone honestly think that these "sanctions" are actually accomplishing anything?

When has sanctions ever made a country backdown in a war?

To me it's more like virtue signaling. These countries can't fight Russia directly, but they also can't afford the image of not doing anything.
 
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Does anyone honestly think that these "sanctions" are actually accomplishing anything?

When has sanctions ever made a country backdown in a war?

To me it's more like virtue signaling. These countries can't fight Russia directly, but they also can't afford the image of not doing anything.

The following nations are on the sanctions list by the US prior to Belarus and Russia being added:

Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Syria and Cuba.

Which one of these are able to launch an expensive expeditionary war with their military?
 
The following nations are on the sanctions list by the US prior to Belarus and Russia being added:

Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Syria and Cuba.

Which one of these are able to launch an expensive expeditionary war with their military?


None of those nations are remotely capable.
 
Does anyone honestly think that these "sanctions" are actually accomplishing anything?

When has sanctions ever made a country backdown in a war?

To me it's more like virtue signaling. These countries can't fight Russia directly, but they also can't afford the image of not doing anything.
Yes. Russian media control makes it very hard for the average Russian citizen to become aware of what's going on.

However, when the *entire world* sanctions the fuck out of Russian and McDonald's is no longer an option, the average Joe in Russia will take notice. And he will wonder, why is the entire world protesting us?

Not to mention the decrease in economic leverage which reduces Russia's capability to wage war.
 
I think the cancel culture arguments maybe don't translate well to Russian? I would much rather be canceled on social media than for my life and country to be "canceled" by violence and war.
 
Looks consistent with white phosphorus munitions, yes.




Horrific stuff to be dropping on a city.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure US has much of a leg to stand on in condemning this given the accusations (and video?) of WP being used on Fallujah. I'm not sure why we treat WP differently than mustard gas and the like. It's also an indiscriminate and brutal killer.
 
I think the cancel culture arguments maybe don't translate well to Russian? I would much rather be canceled on social media than for my life and country to be "canceled" by violence and war.

No they don't. Any comparison made between idiots cancelling one another on Twitter for saying something horrible at some point about someone else, and sanctions imposed on a nation that is literally slaughtering children... is fatuous and ridiculous.
 



Now that Ukraine is on the counter-offensive and mopping up the areas outside of Kyiv, Russia is declaring "mission accomplished" there and is shifting focus to eastern Ukraine.

Well if you can't win , tell this story; this was always the plan🤣 but I figure it wasn't the main goal.

I always kept in my mind it could become a Germany situation , that divides the country in West and East, seems Russia is taking that loss and wants to settle for this .. I wouldn't if I was Ukraine.. push them into Russia.

The problem is if you let Putin who says he won't try again in 5 - 10 years ..
 
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Western sanctions should not be turned back even if they occupy donbas and Ukraine agrees to peace. Only when the status goes back to before the war and Putin is out, should we maybe consider reversing the sanctions.
 
Western sanctions should not be turned back even if they occupy donbas and Ukraine agrees to peace. Only when the status goes back to before the war and Putin is out, should we maybe consider reversing the sanctions.

Absolutely right. In fact, I'd go as far as no sanctions lifted until regime change has happened in Russia. That poison little chickenshit needs to go.
 
Tactical nukes are in the next step for Russia, it is in their game play. If they cant get Ukraine to surrender, Putin will escalate.

Report from Sweden.
No they aren't. They don't want Moscow to be like Mariupol.

They'll push on, either managing to make gains, or retreat and lie, saying that their intentions were always much less than before. Currently, they're doing the latter.
 
No they aren't. They don't want Moscow to be like Mariupol.

They'll push on, either managing to make gains, or retreat and lie, saying that their intentions were always much less than before. Currently, they're doing the latter.

Putin doesn't want to die. If he starts to launch nukes at NATO, he might die.

He's terrified of the west's power. Everything he's done is about his feelings of inadequacy… an inadequacy that he's only exposed to the world with his failed invasion.
 
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