Hawking Radiation
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Thanks for sharing boss. This is a really insightful video.
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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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Thanks for sharing boss. This is a really insightful video.
Tumle
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I’m also a not-Z and proud of it
strange headache
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akimbo009
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My god... to see it like that... history repeating
An echo of history, not a chamber, and it makes me so pissed.
FunkMiller
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My god... to see it like that... history repeating
The worst thing about this picture is that those responsible for it happening, by starting their own war, have been one of the major contributors and enablers to Putin’s strategy of aggression. The EU have got far too cozy with Putin over the years, and allowed him to control far too much of their infrastructure and energy needs. They are still funding his war effort to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euros *a day*. Shameful to ever get to that position. Merkel’s true legacy.
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strange headache
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Oh just stop it with this highly reductionist nonsense.
This is neither the place, nor the time to insert your personal grudges and us vs. them mentality into the discussion.
FunkMiller
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What? I have no personal grudge against anyone. I’m just pointing out an uncomfortable truth.
https://www.politico.eu/article/put...gn-policy-ukraine-war-invasion-nord-stream-2/
How is pointing out Germany’s policy towards Russia in the recent past reductionist? Or do you disagree their policies have enabled Putin? Because I’m afraid the facts on that are irrefutable.
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US State department believes the Putin intel is correct. Putin feels misled by his underlings and they’re now being jailed and disappeared. They were unable to tell him the truth in the lead-up because of the consequences for not telling Putin what he wanted to hear.
Hari Seldon
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This dude's channel is pretty damn good, seems like a very solid source of info.
FunkMiller
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Slight aside, but if there's been what you could consider any kind of silver lining to this horror, it's that Five Eyes appears to be functioning very well. The amount of (especially US and UK) intelligence that's been gathered and then declassified to spoke Putin's wheels whenever he tries his next move has been invaluable. I am somewhat encouraged by how well our intelligence frameworks are conducting themselves after a very shaky few years. Once again, Putin's major achievement in this conflict seems to be strengthening the west. What a leader.
It's the traditional failure mode of authoritarian top down organizations. If you get punished for bringing the boss bad news, the boss is going to get lies instead.
Even fairly open and democratic societies have problems with groupthink, it's why the Israelis came up with the 'tenth man' rule. If there are 10 people in a room and 9 agree, the 10th HAS to disagree and be the devil's advocate.
How Israeli intelligence failures led to a ‘devil’s advocate’ role
Israel’s inability to perceive enemies’ plans before 1973 Yom Kippur War led to creation of the Tenth Man, a way to ensure contrary assessments at least get a hearing.
www.thestar.com
It's also why free speech is so important on a societal level, not for the sake of the speaker, but so that everyone listening can be exposed to different viewpoints.
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Dude! This looks kind of like the statue that marks the catacombs in Elden Ring.My god... to see it like that... history repeating
TransTrender
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I do look forward to a nicely rebuilt Ukraine with paved roads, more water sanitation, and more reliable electricity for everyone after these fucking orcs are driven out.
They'll be all the envy of the neighborhood. Modolva will be sooooooooo buttmad!
They'll be all the envy of the neighborhood. Modolva will be sooooooooo buttmad!
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Lukaku's First Touch
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Nice, Ukraine blew up a fuel depot in russia with 2 attack choppers. 20 miles across the border lol. Nice defense.
akimbo009
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Link? They blew up an ammo depot yesterday just across the border...
FunkMiller
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So the Ukrainians managed to fly 2 Soviet-era gunships at night, over enemy territory, past the Russian border, and through 40KM of Russian air defenses to strike at a Russian Fuel Depot in Belgorod.
finance.yahoo.com
UPDATE 5-Ukraine denies attacking fuel depot inside Russia, mayor says fire almost out
Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said could affect peace talks, but a top Kyiv security official denied responsibility. Russia's defence ministry said two Ukrainian helicopters struck the...
finance.yahoo.com
Tams
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Putin had a big dog in one meeting with Merkel despite knowing that she is scared of dogs. Says it all really.
And
strange headache
, I don't see how that was a personal grudge or even reductionist.
Mokus
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So the Ukrainians managed to fly 2 Soviet-era gunships at night, over enemy territory, past the Russian border, and through 40KM of Russian air defenses to strike at a Russian Fuel Depot in Belgorod.
UPDATE 5-Ukraine denies attacking fuel depot inside Russia, mayor says fire almost out
Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said could affect peace talks, but a top Kyiv security official denied responsibility. Russia's defence ministry said two Ukrainian helicopters struck the...
False flag or did Russian generals sell their air defences on ebay too?
Wildebeest
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Just yesterday I saw that ghoul John Bolton, in an interview, saying the idea of Putin being isolated and fed false information was "faulty analysis" and not based on intelligence as he had never heard, in all history, of a leader not being given more than one side of the story.
Lukaku's First Touch
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That, and enabling the 'invasion' of Europe from the south/south east which in a 100 years or so we'll see the actual damage it has caused (we're already seeing it actually). It's pathetic really. But that's another discussion I guess.
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I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian MOD would quickly point out a false flag as it's daytime there now and that a false flag would have hit something more high profile to generate outrage. I mean they could have even used the munitions depot strike a few days ago if they wanted a strategic cause but didn't.
Russian Defense might simply be as bad as their Offense is.
Well done Razgriz!
Tams
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Ukraine war latest: Biden calls for Putin war crimes trial as more evidence of atrocities emerge
The BBC has seen fresh evidence of atrocities, including the bodies of four people allegedly shot dead by Russian forces.
www.bbc.com
Knew it. These corridors almost never materialise. And then the bastards loot the fucking aid lorries.
LimanimaPT
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Let me see if I got this straight: Ukrainian air force (wow, ukraine still has an airforce) managed to fly into russian territory, they blow up an ammo and a oil depot and returned to ukraine untouched? Wow, nice defenses...
Mokus
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So the Ukrainians managed to fly 2 Soviet-era gunships at night, over enemy territory, past the Russian border, and through 40KM of Russian air defenses to strike at a Russian Fuel Depot in Belgorod.
UPDATE 5-Ukraine denies attacking fuel depot inside Russia, mayor says fire almost out
Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said could affect peace talks, but a top Kyiv security official denied responsibility. Russia's defence ministry said two Ukrainian helicopters struck the...
Highly likely the russians thought that it is their own men. Friendly fire can be a big issue on the battlefields and in this situation, Ukrainians speaking russian can easily exploit this on bigger a scale since the russian army communications kind sucks these days.
Bernd Lauert
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He's right though. Germany, as the de facto leader of the EU, fucked up hard with regards to Russia. It started with Schröder who is basically Putin's BFF, and ended with Merkel not doing anything about Germany's dependance on Russia and actually increasing that dependance by turning off nuclear reactors and building a second gas pipeline.
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GymWolf
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Do russians have limited access to internet like koreans\chinese people?
like can they see internationl news or yt?
do they think that the whole world is lying to them?
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Wildebeest
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All of this so one narcissist could live in a palace and pretend to be the smartest leader in the world.
Wildebeest
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Also heard rumours that military helicopters seen at the scene are a more recent Russian type that Ukraine doesn't have.
FunkMiller
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I wonder if certain satellites from certain countries might well be providing the Ukrainians with crystal clear imagery and accurate gps co-ordinates of every single important Russian strategic location close to the border…..
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Nikodemos
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Putin has basically banned international news agencies with the latest round of edicts, but even prior to that, Western media was severely restricted in what they could broadcast inside Russia.
There are two issues at play here:
1) your average Russians are, for lack of a better word, uncurious. They generally don't search for the actual facts. This is a defense mechanism left over from Soviet times. In those days, digging too deep could net you a 5-year forced labor sentence in a Siberian lumber camp.
More recently, this has been aggravated by Putin's strategy of garbage-dumping, filling the media with conflicting viewpoints. Said viewpoints are, evidently, all false, since having even one of them true is too risky. Having this cacophony of more or less obviously fake positions is specifically designed to discourage one from uncovering the real truth.
2) Putin has managed the rather impressive feat of breaking through the Russians' longstanding scepticism and suspicion of their own media. Back in Soviet times, the saying went that, if a state official denies something, that something is probably true. And that, if you want to learn the real news, just switch 'no' to 'yes' and vice-versa.
Putin punched through this distrust by utilizing the average Ivan and Olga's latent revanchist fantasies. To use 4channer terms, he fed them vast amounts of copium. About a return to a time of "Russia stronk", a time when people "respected" Russia. And the people lapped that up, even if it was, oftentimes, blatatly false, since it coincided with their own views. "It's bullshit, but I believe it".
Do bear in mind, the Russian idea of "respect" has nothing in common with the Western one. Russian "respect" is prison "respect", a.k.a. fear of getting stabbed. Which is unsurprising, given that Russia has been, socially/societally, a "prison culture" ever since the times of the tsars. Russians don't feel "respected" unless their boot is on somebody else's neck.
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Ukraine war latest: Biden calls for Putin war crimes trial as more evidence of atrocities emerge
The BBC has seen fresh evidence of atrocities, including the bodies of four people allegedly shot dead by Russian forces.www.bbc.com
Knew it. These corridors almost never materialise. And then the bastards loot the fucking aid lorries.
I was wondering how this was going to go down since this was going to be an International Red Cross initiative and not a Ukrainian government led one since there were issues with that last time.
They really are using the Geneva Conventions as a to do list.
It's a pretty clear crime against humanity per ICRC:
ICRC | International Committee of the Red Cross
So the Ukrainians managed to fly 2 Soviet-era gunships at night, over enemy territory, past the Russian border, and through 40KM of Russian air defenses to strike at a Russian Fuel Depot in Belgorod.
UPDATE 5-Ukraine denies attacking fuel depot inside Russia, mayor says fire almost out
Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said could affect peace talks, but a top Kyiv security official denied responsibility. Russia's defence ministry said two Ukrainian helicopters struck the...
No one hurt in the fire according to owners of the depot. Impressive.
Ammunition depot exploding there days ago.
Russians could thank Kirill and their Orthodox Church for their blessings.
It would be unsurprising if Russians are doing it intentionally to false flag, or did it to themselves unintentionally. They invasion is such a fuck up it's difficult to tell.
Ukrainians could be being sneaky with captured helicopters. Maybe Russian faction sabotage.
Whatever the case, to drive out Russian fascists and secure Ukraine these may be the sortie things that have to happen to military targets in Russia. It's near Kharkiv and Sumy.
Wildebeest
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Pesky Azov battalion dug a tunnel to the nearest Russian air base to Belgorod. They then stole the Russian helicopters and blew up the fuel depot. For their planned escape rout, they ditched the choppers and rode giant swans to the secret Nazi bases in Antarctica. Only story that makes sense with the facts we have.
Tams
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I mean, if you're going to post that, at least read the Twitter (god, why do they use that mess of a platform?!) conversation. There are quite a few comments pointing out that it could well have been a Ukrainian attack. Mainly because:
- They hit a strategic target.
- They didn't hit a hospital, school, etc.
- Ukraine uses decentralised command, so the top commanders may not have information on the attack yet. Lower ranks are encouraged to use their initiative.
Also, anything calling itself OSINT needs to be taken with a gain of salt. Most are no better placed to comment on this that the rest of us armchair generals. Most accounts just repeat stuff posted elsewhere. Actual open source intelligence, like Bellingcat, don't going around using 'OSINT' or the like.
That particular account is an editor at the UK Defence Journal. Now, it may look like some like Jane's, but really it is just an enthusiast website. Not just the commentators, but the article writers there just post either inane facts e.g. 'Operation My Balls happening in the North Atlantic' or their (often hot) takes as articles. Don't get me wrong, I like the banter on the site, but it's not a serious publication.
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Large explosion effective attacks(including the ammo depot) which didn't kill a bunch of civilians doesn't make them seem Russian.
Special de-Znutsify operation. snicker-snack
Wildebeest
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I heard about the Ukrainian non statement on Sky news before posting, so I thought I would post the "update" from this, which I saw elsewhere. I don't vouch for this Twitter account, but everyone is saying it is only the Russians so far who are saying 100% that this is a Ukrainian attack.
Maiden Voyage
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NoLootBoxDev
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Some people believe this is a false flag, so Russia can "justify" chemicals or Nukes.
Why I am suspicious of this?
- No one dies on both "attacks", this is the second.
- No one from Russia saw 2 helicopters, and they were not shot down.
- Russia is pulling outside certain parts, which could be the ones they plan to "Chem or Nuke"
- Russia's forces left Chernobyl, and it seems they took some things from there that could be used on a dirty bomb **(not sure if true). Who knows if Putin will nuke a small Russian town for a false flag.
Let's see, Putin fucked up so bad that I believe he is desperate for anything. The "peace" talks are just a distraction, I do not believe they want to do anything about peace.
AJUMP23
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So the Ukrainians managed to fly 2 Soviet-era gunships at night, over enemy territory, past the Russian border, and through 40KM of Russian air defenses to strike at a Russian Fuel Depot in Belgorod.
UPDATE 5-Ukraine denies attacking fuel depot inside Russia, mayor says fire almost out
Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said could affect peace talks, but a top Kyiv security official denied responsibility. Russia's defence ministry said two Ukrainian helicopters struck the...
I don't know if this is a Ukrainian attack. I don't see how Russia doesn't have air defense ready for an attack by 2 helicopters. This seems somewhat unlikely to pull off.
May be a false flag by Russia.
prinz_valium
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Ukraine just attacked a nuclear super power on their own soil?
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RJMacready73
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a few grenades thrown in there for good measure wouldnt have gone amiss tbh
Ukraine just attacked a nuclear country on their own soil?
Fixed it for ya, after seeing how their military in is set up and exposed for how inept, I don't see why when Ukrainian forces push them back across the border they don't push on to moscow from the way things are going they could probably drive on up and no cunt would notice
akimbo009
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Why do folks think it's a false flag? If Ukraine attacks something behind Russia lines does that some how escalate something?
Ragnarok
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Seriously. It’s a war between countries that share a border so doesn’t seem like it should be unexpected.
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