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[M1chl]

Pretty cool workshop

 

[sinnergy]

Pretty cool workshop

Nice to see that Russians now know how it all works .. very smart.

 

[M1chl]

Nice to see that Russians now know how it all works .. very smart.

Given the pro-efficiency of Russians, I doubt it will help them much. Besides UA have been open with using DJI Drones, I am sure that Putin is calling Xi everyday, to gave him access to these machines.

 

[Tams]

Nice to see that Russians now know how it all works .. very smart.

Considering the Ukrainian military and the UK military (Forces News is the UK armed forces media arm) thought it okay to publicly release this, they must have decided that nothing it wasn't either bleedingly obvious or sensitive.

And having now bothered to watch it: there's nothing new in this and it doesn't really show much. The only new thing I found out is that they are using Parrot drones as well as DJI ones, which anyone could have guessed or assumed.

 

[sinnergy]

Considering the Ukrainian military and the UK military (Forces News is the UK armed forces media arm) thought it okay to publicly release this, they must have decided that nothing it wasn't either bleedingly obvious or sensitive.

And having now bothered to watch it: there's nothing new in this and it doesn't really show much. The only new thing I found out is that they are using Parrot drones as well as DJI ones, which anyone could have guessed or assumed.

Why don’t people just keep quiet.. some urge to show off? Now you can jam radio signals .. who knows. Why brag ? Just keep bombing.

 

[p_xavier]

Nice to see that Russians now know how it all works .. very smart.

They might sell them to Ukrainians on eBay at this stage...

 

[Tams]

Why don’t people just keep quiet.. some urge to show off? Now you can jam radio signals .. who knows. Why brag ? Just keep bombing.

Judging by how you write... I don't think anything you have to say is worth reading.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Sickening thread.

 

[FunkMiller]

Sickening thread.

Yes. It absolutely is. They’re pretty much the fucking Nazis, and I for one look forward to the collapse of their country, the same way Nazi Germany did.

 

[Tams]

Sickening thread.

It does appear to be that way.

They often don't seem to even pick up their own dead. And their apparant initial plan won't have foreseen heavily Russian losses, so... who were the crematoriums for, why did they need to be mobile, and who were the body bags for?

The only conclusion that can be come to is Ukrainians. And I think the only reasons they haven't been found (at least yet) to be killing Ukrainian officials etc. is a combination of them not having captured any real number of them and those that have, by units not used to such personal brutality.

I think the leaving of their own dead is the most damning. The rest is circumstancial and assumptive evidence. But seeming to not use these assets for what they are apparently for... means they were deployed for other reasons.

Now add in that they have attempted to burn the bodies of Ukrainians (civilians no less), as seen and reported by international media...

 

[sinnergy]

Judging by how you write... I don't think anything you have to say is worth reading.

Nice making it personal .. But is seems worth because you replied , so you read and replied .. you also could have kept quiet.

 

[nemiroff]

Putin has basically banned international news agencies with the latest round of edicts, but even prior to that, Western media was severely restricted in what they could broadcast inside Russia.

There are two issues at play here:
1) your average Russians are, for lack of a better word, uncurious. They generally don't search for the actual facts. This is a defense mechanism left over from Soviet times. In those days, digging too deep could net you a 5-year forced labor sentence in a Siberian lumber camp.
More recently, this has been aggravated by Putin's strategy of garbage-dumping, filling the media with conflicting viewpoints. Said viewpoints are, evidently, all false, since having even one of them true is too risky. Having this cacophony of more or less obviously fake positions is specifically designed to discourage one from uncovering the real truth.

2) Putin has managed the rather impressive feat of breaking through the Russians' longstanding scepticism and suspicion of their own media. Back in Soviet times, the saying went that, if a state official denies something, that something is probably true. And that, if you want to learn the real news, just switch 'no' to 'yes' and vice-versa.
Putin punched through this distrust by utilizing the average Ivan and Olga's latent revanchist fantasies. To use 4channer terms, he fed them vast amounts of copium. About a return to a time of "Russia stronk", a time when people "respected" Russia. And the people lapped that up, even if it was, oftentimes, blatatly false, since it coincided with their own views. "It's bullshit, but I believe it".
Do bear in mind, the Russian idea of "respect" has nothing in common with the Western one. Russian "respect" is prison "respect", a.k.a. fear of getting stabbed. Which is unsurprising, given that Russia has been, socially/societally, a "prison culture" ever since the times of the tsars. Russians don't feel "respected" unless their boot is on somebody else's neck.

This hits close.. I've previously mention that my wife has family both in Ukraine and Russia. Her aunt in St. Petersburg Russia acually believes the Russians are trying to "save" Ukrainians from the evil Ukrainian Nazis, no shit.. She's watching Russian news, and that's the truth to them. They don't question anything, not even when their own family begs them to(!) . And the rest put their heads in the sand and live life as usual. It's frustrating.. Obviously now there's a huge split in the family and obviously some of them are never again going to speak to each other..

 

[M1chl]

Yes. It absolutely is. They’re pretty much the fucking Nazis, and I for one look forward to the collapse of their country, the same way Nazi Germany did.

Yeah, they are, in the begging I thought they were more like USSR during Stalin, but as the conflict went on, it does feel much more in line of Nazi Germany. Which is mind blowing to me.

 

[strange headache]

More sounds to me like you’re uncomfortable with the red carpet Germany and the EU rolled out for Putin for years, and rather than coping with that, you’re choosing to lash out at those who can see it clearly. And I’m not American. I’m British. You know...

Strong words considering that Russian oligarchs own half of London and are heavily involved in American investments too. Like this for example, or this:

For many wealthy Russians, a New York condo serves as a double parachute — a safe-deposit box of sorts, and a soft landing spot should the climate back home turn inhospitable or dangerous — even if that apartment sits dark and vacant for most of the year. In the process, the Russians, while not quite as ubiquitous as they are in, say, some of the tonier districts of London, have become the face of a sharpening debate about the impact of New York’s pied-à-terre economy.

UK and U.S. have been complicit in Russian kleptocracy for decades now:

Long before suspicion mounted about the loyalties of Donald Trump, large swaths of the American elite—lawyers, lobbyists, real-estate brokers, politicians in state capitals who enabled the creation of shell companies—had already proved themselves to be reliable servants of a rapacious global plutocracy. Richard Palmer was right: The looting elites of the former Soviet Union were far from rogue profiteers. They augured a kleptocratic habit that would soon become widespread. One bitter truth about the Russia scandal is that by the time Vladimir Putin attempted to influence the shape of our country, it was already bending in the direction of his.

Things have gotten to the point where people are calling your capital city "Londongrad":

Over the past two decades, London’s high-end property market was overrun by the global superrich led by Russian oligarchs who did so many big, brash deals that locals called the city Londongrad.

Also isn't one of your most prestigious football clubs owned by a Russian Oligarch? I'd say the only one refusing to face the facts is yourself. You'd rather wallow in your hate for Germany and the European Union who seem to be a convenient scapegoat for the failures of your British government these days.

You're outright fooling yourself. Brexit and the previous American presidency have probably contributed much more to the Ukrainian crisis than the EU's economic cooperation with a neighboring country. Things would be much much worse without the EU and our growing cooperation with Eastern-European countries of which Germany and France are important driving forces. Without Germany's Ostpolitik, there would never have been a Perestroika or Glasnost.

The reason why Russia feels empowered to do what it is doing are their newfound economic relations with China and India, which should give you an idea of how important economic interdependence really is.

The hate boner americans have for the EU and european integration is always amusing. Despite all the doom and gloom predictions it's been 20 years and going strong.

Very true indeed. I also find it rather disconcerting and it really has no place in this thread.

 

[sw0mp_d0nk3y]

Nice making it personal .. But is seems worth because you replied , so you read and replied .. you also could have kept quiet.

Pretty sure he misunderstood your original reply, thinking it was directed at him, and then responded like that. Good example of misunderstanding leading to conflict. Happens all the time.

 

[sinnergy]

Pretty sure he misunderstood your original reply, thinking it was directed at him, and then responded like that. Good example of misunderstanding leading to conflict. Happens all the time.

Ah okay, that could be the case .

 

[FunkMiller]

Strong words considering that Russian oligarchs own half of London and are heavily involved in American investments too. Like this for example, or this:



UK and U.S. have been complicit in Russian kleptocracy for decades now:



Things have gotten to the point where people are calling your capital city "Londongrad":



Also isn't one of your most prestigious football clubs owned by a Russian Oligarch? I'd say the only one refusing to face the facts is yourself. You'd rather wallow in your hate for Germany and the European Union who seem to be a convenient scapegoat for the failures of your British government these days.

You're outright fooling yourself. Brexit and the previous American presidency have probably contributed much more to the Ukrainian crisis than the EU's economic cooperation with a neighboring country. Things would be much much worse without the EU and our growing cooperation with Eastern-European countries of which Germany and France are important driving forces. Without Germany's Ostpolitik, there would never have been a Perestroika or Glasnost.

The reason why Russia feels empowered to do what it is doing are their newfound economic relations with China and India, which should give you an idea of how important economic interdependence really is.



Very true indeed. I also find it rather disconcerting and it really has no place in this thread.

I have zero problem acknowledging the damage the relationship between the UK and Russia has done (I even spoke of it in my last comment)…. Why do you have such a problem admitting how badly Germany did as well?

It might be something to reflect on that you are still in 100% defence mode about the EU’s relationship with Russia, instead of being able to see the very obvious and damaging flaws.

And maybe, just maybe, it’s that kind of inability to see fault or flaw in the political project that marks the greatest failing of the EU… and a main reason why some of the events of the last few years have happened...

 

[Tams]

Nice making it personal .. But is seems worth because you replied , so you read and replied .. you also could have kept quiet.

All I can be bothered to see now is that you reacted to my post about Russian plans to commit genocide and try to hide it with a 'LOL' emote.

Yeah, blocked.

 

[Tams]

I have zero problem acknowledging the damage the relationship between the UK and Russia has done (I even spoke of it in my last comment)…. Why do you have such a problem admitting how badly Germany did as well?

It might be something to reflect on that you are still in 100% defence mode about the EU’s relationship with Russia, instead of being able to see the very obvious and damaging flaws.

And maybe, just maybe, it’s that kind of inability to see fault or flaw in the political project that marks the greatest failing of the EU… and a main reason why some of the events of the last few years have happened...

And here's the thing. We let them launder their dirty money and helped them live their lives of luxury. But in the end that was just their personal wealth so hardly funding their military etc., and we can easily afford to cut it off.

Germany on the other hand... weaning themselves off Russian gas is going to be very painful. And they and other European nations (yes, a very small part being the UK too) have been pretty much funding the Russian military with those gas payments to massive amounts.

Germany, through socio-political beliefs, but also greed, let their security become compromised. The UK has always been aware of the bigger picture of the Russian security threat (no doubt with considerable nudging by the US) and therefore is in a position from which it can easily extricate itself.

 

[strange headache]

I have zero problem acknowledging the damage the relationship between the UK and Russia has done (I even spoke of it in my last comment)…. Why do you have such a problem admitting how badly Germany did as well?

It might be something to reflect on that you are still in 100% defence mode about the EU’s relationship with Russia, instead of being able to see the very obvious and damaging flaws.

And maybe, just maybe, it’s that kind of inability to see fault or flaw in the political project that marks the greatest failing of the EU… and a main reason why some of the events of the last few years have happened...

Do you have reading comprehension issues? Nobody is denying Germany's dependency on Russian gas or the EU's blind spot concerning Putin and his oligarchs. What I take issue with is your highly reductive take on the situation in order to push your partisan views and your dislike for the EU. You were the one trying to put the Ukrainian invasion on the EU/Germany, while conveniently forgetting all the other stuff that I had to remind you of.

So we've gone from "EU/Germany are major contributors to the Ukrainian invasion" to "you don't want to admit any flaws about the EU". Shifting goalposts already?

Nobody is saying that the EU is perfect, but its mere existence has pretty much kept Russia contained and is a huge contributing factor that things are not escalating any further at the moment. In that regard, you know the one relevant to this discussion, the EU is doing fine and is working as intended, contrary to your ridiculous doom sayings.

So spare us your hot takes and your silly straw manning.

We let them launder their dirty money and helped them live their lives of luxury. But in the end that was just their personal wealth s hardly funding their military etc., and we can easily afford to cut it off.

Rofl, do you truly believe that sh*it?
"Guys... guys.... we totally let them launder their money here to get our greedy hands on Russian money and let them buy half of our real estate, ingrain themselves into our political system as well as other industries... but we totally did not support Russia's economic and geopolitical growth!"

My god...

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

And maybe, just maybe, it’s that kind of inability to see fault or flaw in the political project that marks the greatest failing of the EU… and a main reason why some of the events of the last few years have happened...

Meanwhile, Enlightened America is so concerned about the vacuum of power they left in Iraq that directly led to the rise of ISIS or the recent handover of Afghanistan to the Taliban that they keep fucking about with Iran and Syria.

But of course America seems unable to find fault or flaw with their constant blunders in the MIddle East that they keep prodding the area.

 

[Tams]

Do you have reading comprehension issues? Nobody is denying Germany's dependency on Russian gas or the EU's blind spot concerning Putin and his oligarchs. What I take issue with is your highly reductive take on the situation in order to push your partisan views and your dislike for the EU. You were the one trying to put the Ukrainian invasion on the EU/Germany, while conveniently forgetting all the other stuff that I had to remind you of.

So we've gone from "EU/Germany are major contributors to the Ukrainian invasion" to "you don't want to admit any flaws about the EU". Shifting goalposts already?

Nobody is saying that the EU is perfect, but its mere existence has pretty much kept Russia contained and is a huge contributing factor that things are not escalating any further at the moment. In that regard, you know the one relevant to this discussion, the EU is doing fine and is working as intended, contrary to your ridiculous doom sayings.

So spare us your hot takes and your silly straw manning.



Rofl, do you truly believe that sh*it?
"Guys... guys.... we totally let them launder their money here to get our greedy hands on Russian money and let them buy half of our real estate, ingrain themselves into our political system as well as other industries... but we totally did not support Russia's economic and geopolitical growth!"

My god...

Yes, I do.

It's the difference between them enriching themselves through luxuries and strengthening their positions. Hell, their greed is part of the reason that the Russian armed forces are so weak and disorganised.

But of course I think both were ignorant and immoral. Letting them launder their money was far more immoral. The point is, the UK can at least extract itself from that situation and wasn't handing them money hand over fist to embezzle or use to spend on 'defence'.

You're in denial.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Do you have reading comprehension issues? Nobody is denying Germany's dependency on Russian gas or the EU's blind spot concerning Putin and his oligarchs. What I take issue with is your highly reductive take on the situation in order to push your partisan views and your dislike for the EU. You were the one trying to put the Ukrainian invasion on the EU/Germany, while conveniently forgetting all the other stuff that I had to remind you of.

So we've gone from "EU/Germany are major contributors to the Ukrainian invasion" to "you don't want to admit any flaws about the EU". Shifting goalposts already?

Nobody is saying that the EU is perfect, but its mere existence has pretty much kept Russia contained and is a huge contributing factor that things are not escalating any further at the moment. In that regard, you know the one relevant to this discussion, the EU is doing fine and is working as intended, contrary to your ridiculous doom sayings.

So spare us your hot takes and your silly straw manning.



Rofl, do you truly believe that sh*it?
"Guys... guys.... we totally let them launder their money here to get our greedy hands on Russian money and let them buy half of our real estate, ingrain themselves into our political system as well as other industries... but we totally did not support Russia's economic and geopolitical growth!"

My god...

Serious double standards run right through your posts on this.

The UK took the oligarchs money, Germany (& others) took the Russian Gas & Oil.

Both contributed in equal but different ways to the current situation.

 

[EviLore]

Looks like Ukraine did blow up that Russian fuel depot.

Yesterday the Ukrainian foreign minister could barely keep a straight face about it:



Now Zelenskyy issues a cannot confirm nor deny, with justifications for why he might have issued the orders:

 

[Deleted member 1159]

But of course America seems unable to find fault or flaw with their constant blunders in the MIddle East that they keep prodding the area.

I’m old enough to remember when voting for the Iraq war was used as a cudgel against American politicians, and the WMD assessments of the intelligence agencies were seen as a historic blunder, anti-war protests and sentiment were there from the beginning (and people voicing that weren’t threatened with 15 years in prison)…

So I’m not sure what you’re talking about here, there’s almost a universal consensus now that at a minimum our strategy was deeply flawed, and a large subset of that would say it was outright criminal.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Putin's Health: Cancer Fears and Baths in Deer Antler Blood, Says Report​

businessinsider.com/putin-...

Not sure how true this is, but damn. If he has cancer (or just fear), I do see him making a deal with the devil:

 

[Wildebeest]

Meanwhile, Enlightened America is so concerned about the vacuum of power they left in Iraq that directly led to the rise of ISIS or the recent handover of Afghanistan to the Taliban that they keep fucking about with Iran and Syria.

But of course America seems unable to find fault or flaw with their constant blunders in the MIddle East that they keep prodding the area.

Dude, the reason why Europe doesn't interfere in the region is the Suez crisis, not enlightened ideals. The UK, France and Israel intervened in Egypt, but the US humiliated them both internationally. This follows on from the US and USSR conspiring to humiliate Churchill when they carved up the world between them at the end of the war in Europe.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I’m old enough to remember when voting for the Iraq war was used as a cudgel against American politicians, and the WMD assessments of the intelligence agencies were seen as a historic blunder, anti-war protests and sentiment were there from the beginning (and people voicing that weren’t threatened with 15 years in prison)…

So I’m not sure what you’re talking about here, there’s almost a universal consensus now that at a minimum our strategy was deeply flawed, and a large subset of that would say it was outright criminal.

And yet you keep doing it.

 

[NeonGhost]

Putin's Health: Cancer Fears and Baths in Deer Antler Blood, Says Report​

businessinsider.com/putin-...

Not sure how true this is, but damn. If he has cancer (or just fear), I do see him making a deal with the devil:

I can confirm he hasn’t reached out to me for any kind of deal

 

[Romulus]

And yet you keep doing it.

He keeps doing it, or American politicians?

 

[akimbo009]

And yet you keep doing it.

What are you going on about? What does the US misadventures in Iraq 20 years ago have to do with anything?

 

[sinnergy]

Looks like Ukraine did blow up that Russian fuel depot.

Yesterday the Ukrainian foreign minister could barely keep a straight face about it:



Now Zelenskyy issues a cannot confirm nor deny, with justifications for why he might have issued the orders:

And they could fly in .. If I was him, I would fly more in . Seems Russia air defense is also shite .

 

[Neff]

Sickening thread.

And they wonder why the rest of the world has seen them as cartoon villains for decades.

And the rest put their heads in the sand and live life as usual.

Facing reality in Russia is dangerous, as a long list of dead journalists would no doubt testify if they could. I honestly don't blame common Russian folk for willingly brainwashing themselves. The alternative is far too risky.

 

[RJMacready73]

Putin's Health: Cancer Fears and Baths in Deer Antler Blood, Says Report​

businessinsider.com/putin-...

Not sure how true this is, but damn. If he has cancer (or just fear), I do see him making a deal with the devil:

If there really was a god I'd pray for this to be true, never has there been a person in our times who truly deserves cancer and all the horrible shit that comes with it, I hope he dies in agony bleeding out his ass knowing his legacy is fucked and his name right up there with Stalin & Hitler as one of the truly horrible human beings to have walked the planet

 

[Nikodemos]

And they wonder why the rest of the world has seen them as cartoon villains for decades.

Ukrainian troops have found mass graves with hundreds of people, and civilians straight-up assassinated (and left on the roadside) in the areas they've recently liberated.

Facing reality in Russia is dangerous, as a long list of dead journalists would no doubt testify if they could. I honestly don't blame common Russian folk for willingly brainwashing themselves. The alternative is far too risky.

Which is why pollsters (especially Western-funded ones) should seriously stop trying to "take the pulse of Russian society". Russia is a totalitarian state, only very brave and/or stupid and/or suicidal folk are going to answer truthfully.

 

[Wildebeest]

I don't care if Putin has cancer, just keep the git alive long enough to face a war crime tribunal.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

What are you going on about? What does the US misadventures in Iraq 20 years ago have to do with anything?

Because the afghanistan mess was 20 years ago.

Because all the beefin with Iran in the Gulf was 20 years ago.

 

[Nikodemos]

I don't care if Putin has cancer, just keep the git alive long enough to face a war crime tribunal.

Nope, fuck him. The sooner he shits his guts out his asshole, the sooner his lackeys start fighting each other.

 

[Wildebeest]

Nope, fuck him. The sooner he shits his guts out his asshole, the sooner his lackeys start fighting each other.

You don't understand what torture it would be for a narcissist like him to be subject to law instead of thinking he is above it and using it like a toy to satisfy his false feelings of persecution.

 

[EviLore]

Those last few seconds...

 

[Airbus Jr]

 

[Nikodemos]

People are posting some absolutely horrific, Rwanda-tier atrocities. Streets littered with dead residents, shot while they were trying to go about their business, whole families massacred when their cars were machine-gunned by Russians, defenseless people executed with their hands tied etc.

 

[EviLore]

People are posting some absolutely horrific, Rwanda-tier atrocities. Streets littered with dead residents, shot while they were trying to go about their business, whole families massacred when their cars were machine-gunned by Russians, defenseless people executed with their hands tied etc.

Yep. Piles of dead Ukrainian civilians with their hands zip tied and all the rest. So many instances it would have been the norm in every city the Russians took. We’ll refrain from posting that here but it’s all over social.

 

[Airbus Jr]

People are posting some absolutely horrific, Rwanda-tier atrocities. Streets littered with dead residents, shot while they were trying to go about their business, whole families massacred when their cars were machine-gunned by Russians, defenseless people executed with their hands tied etc.

How many casualties from ukraine? Official number? Rip man

Feck putin

 

[Deleted member 1159]

How many casualties from ukraine? Official number? Rip man

Feck putin

They’ll be finding more victims for years to come

 

[EviLore]

Russians booby trapped homes and dead bodies on the way out the cities they occupied, per Zelenskyy. Many tripwires and other dangers.




Seems to be standard practice for the Ukrainians to carefully check civilian bodies for booby traps before recovering them in all the footage I've seen. No doubt there's good reason.

 

[Nikodemos]

Yep. Piles of dead Ukrainian civilians with their hands zip tied and all the rest. So many instances it would have been the norm in every city the Russians took. We’ll refrain from posting that here but it’s all over social.

When your neighbors get machine-gunned for trying to get their daily shopping, I can fully understand "soz, guv, din't see him raising hands" becoming commonplace among Ukrainian troops.

 

[speckz]

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

such a good plan...