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[Wildebeest]

Macron doesn't know the difference between genocide and ethnic cleansing, but feels the need to lecture the whole world on its use.

 

[strange headache]

Perhaps we should genocide the French and Germans. See how they like it.

I'm not suggesting a lot; just a little bit of genocide. We could go for tea afterwards. I know an excellent place.

The f*ck is wrong with you?

Would you people at least bother to read the whole quote. Here's the original:

Son homologue français, Emmanuel Macron, s'est voulu plus «prudent». «Je dirais que la Russie a déclenché d'une manière unilatérale une guerre brutale, qu'il est maintenant établi que des crimes de guerre ont été faits par l'armée russe et qu'il faut maintenant en trouver les responsables», a-t-il expliqué. «C'est une folie ce qui est en train de se passer, c'est d'une brutalité inouïe (...) mais je regarde en même temps les faits et je veux essayer au maximum de continuer à pouvoir arrêter cette guerre et à rebâtir la paix, donc je ne suis pas sûr que l'escalade des mots serve la cause», a-t-il ajouté.

He clearly states that Russia's brutal one-sided war is a war crime of the most atrocious order and that they will prosecute the ones responsible for it. According to Macron himself, he still wants to avoid the notion "genocide" as to not further endanger the peace talks or make a further armistice impossible. He said that "an escalation of words is not helpful right now".

Is it cowardice? Maybe. Make of these reasons what you will, but don't twist this into Macron denying or belittling the war crimes and human atrocities happening in Ukraine. And certainly don't wish f*cking genocide on others...
We've already had the White House rowing back on Biden's words.

 

[M1chl]

Sheesh, Special plunder operation



Cucks continue to be the very worst people.

 

[Nikodemos]

Repeatedly denying that Ukrainians are a real ethnic group, destroying Ukrainian culture (see book burnings, destroying schools etc.), abducting children, they're clear evidence of attempted genocide.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Sakura]

That will probably depend on a lot of factors.

And one major one may be stores/depots getting hit. Hopefully the Ukrainians are spreading these out as soon as they enter the country.

With all the talk of Russia preparing a major offensive in the Donbas hopefully they can get it soon

 

[winjer]

 

[moniker]

According the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, sources say that our Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson now want to join Nato in June (together with Finland). Putin's strategy is backfiring pretty hard.

 

[Loope]

Seeing the kid shoes on that twitter about the two women and kids killed leaving Bucha was just fucking too much (it was on the twitter chain and not the tweet itself).
As a father, that's just too much. These fuckers are not soldiers.

 

[gradient]

Sheesh, Special plunder operation



Cucks continue to be the very worst people.

"Ukranian chicks there. Rape them. Yeah. Don't tell me anything (giggles)"

Fuck. That. Souless. Russian Bitch.

What a fucking cesspool of inhumanity.

 

[Atrus]

I must admit the Ukranian President is starting to grind my balls.

GIVE 100 TANKS!

NOW GIVE 1000 TANKS!

WHAT? U NO GIVE 5000 TANKS?! ENEMY OF THE STATE!

GERMAN PRESIDENT, YOU NO GIVE 10000 TANKS?! YOU NO COME UKRAINE!

It's kind of like, you give a beggar $20, and he screams at you for not giving $50.

We OWE you nothing, Sir. Stop pointing fingers at those who you think don't gift you enough resources, and stop shaming them. Every country has their own issues it has to deal with, and not gifting you exactly what you demand the second you demand it doesn't mean it's out of malice or because one is Russia's vassal.

He is trying to do as much for his people every day as the soldiers on the front lines. He is begging, pressuring, guilting, shaming, and whatever it takes to get every ounce of support for his people in an existential struggle. It is a strategy of trying to exhaust every possible avenue for his people that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see.

What would you do if you were a leader at this moment? Smile and accept the status quo that everyone gives you? Be too afraid to hurt someones feelings or ego while your casualties mount every day?

His country is fighting Europe's premier enemy that's been inexplicably funded and armed by certain European nations.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

….is old Russian phrase “keikaku”…

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Ehhh one brother seems to be super bloodthirsty for Ukrainian blood though.

So..

 

[Wildebeest]

Background information on the Quisling the Ukrainian's recaptured. Apparently he is one of Putin's most favourite pet kleptocrats, and the investigations into him might be a reason why the stupid little gangster got so worked up and angry in the first place.

 

[Patrick S.]

He is trying to do as much for his people every day as the soldiers on the front lines. He is begging, pressuring, guilting, shaming, and whatever it takes to get every ounce of support for his people in an existential struggle. It is a strategy of trying to exhaust every possible avenue for his people that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see.

What would you do if you were a leader at this moment? Smile and accept the status quo that everyone gives you? Be too afraid to hurt someones feelings or ego while your casualties mount every day?

His country is fighting Europe's premier enemy that's been inexplicably funded and armed by certain European nations.

Yeah, I guess you are right. Apologies.

 

[Raven117]

Unfortunately, The German political mindset has already slipped into acceptance that Russia will partition Ukraine and they'll probably settle for the East of the country now that their initial, planned complete takeover of Ukraine has been thwarted. Which means things are beginning to slow down in the EU as regards action and supplying Ukraine with stuff as urgently as when it looked like the whole country would fall.

I have no doubt that the Germans will be putting pressure on the Ukrainians to accept the situation, as an easy way out for everyone.

Germany has a knack for being on the wrong side of many political issues.

There is absolutely no indication that Russia will stop at the East….just that they are moving there now.

Germany just wants their gas and oil from Russia and for this whole thing to go away because the longer it goes on, it shows how stupid they were to rely so heavily on Russian oil/gas

 

[Raven117]

I must admit the Ukranian President is starting to grind my balls.

GIVE 100 TANKS!

NOW GIVE 1000 TANKS!

WHAT? U NO GIVE 5000 TANKS?! ENEMY OF THE STATE!

GERMAN PRESIDENT, YOU NO GIVE 10000 TANKS?! YOU NO COME UKRAINE!

It's kind of like, you give a beggar $20, and he screams at you for not giving $50.

We OWE you nothing, Sir. Stop pointing fingers at those who you think don't gift you enough resources, and stop shaming them. Every country has their own issues it has to deal with, and not gifting you exactly what you demand the second you demand it doesn't mean it's out of malice or because one is Russia's vassal.

Dude. Come on. He is fighting for the lives of his countrymen. He has to use every available tool. This is an extremely misguided take.

 

[Ionian]

Background information on the Quisling the Ukrainian's recaptured. Apparently he is one of Putin's most favourite pet kleptocrats, and the investigations into him might be a reason why the stupid little gangster got so worked up and angry in the first place.

16 tweets? Fuck that, dunno why anyone makes the time for that.

Post all the info, oh it's they won't start a blog. 2/4 fine, 16? Fuck off that's a life story. It won't be read.

 

[speckz]

 

[speckz]

 

[Wildebeest]

16 tweets? Fuck that, dunno why anyone makes the time for that.

Post all the info, oh it's they won't start a blog. 2/4 fine, 16? Fuck off that's a life story. It won't be read.

Yes, she could post in on her blog in between listening to Linkin Park and playing on her PS2. I saw pictures of this dude going around and had no idea who he is, and this explains it

 

[Stitch]

 

[Romulus]

Yeah but he can't just snip with his fingers and expect every country out there to immediately throw their decades old procedures, laws, agreements and what have you over board and give him whatever he demands that day. Stuff takes time, it's not as easy as a friend walking up to me "can you lend me five bucks?" "Sure, here you go".

I want my country, and every other country, to help Ukraine, even if it hurts "us", as I've said before, but the Ukranian President needs to accept that every one will help in the way and at the speed they can manage.

Its called desperation.

 

[Dr.D00p]

There is absolutely no indication that Russia will stop at the East….just that they are moving there now.

Absolutely...Putin's tactics have changed, not his intent, But Germany is still naively hoping that Putin will see sense and settle for Eastern Ukraine and enough pressure can be applied to make the Ukrainians accept this.

 

[Raven117]

Absolutely...Putin's tactics have changed, not his intent, But Germany is still naively hoping that Putin will see sense and settle for Eastern Ukraine and enough pressure can be applied to make the Ukrainians accept this.

For reasons I stated in my earlier post....they are likely dreaming. Once again, Germany is wrong.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

BREAKING: Sweden will apply for NATO membership - SVD​

twitter.com/bnonew...

It seems Finland will do it in a couple of weeks.

We can expect this from Russia:

 

[Gp1]

BREAKING: Sweden will apply for NATO membership - SVD​

twitter.com/bnonew...

It seems Finland will do it in a couple of weeks.

We can expect this from Russia:

As i said before, both countries should announce this together just to see Putin's face.
The "fun" part is... Russia don't even have enough troops to threat both countries and fight in Ukraine

 

[tommolb]

BREAKING: Sweden will apply for NATO membership - SVD​

twitter.com/bnonew...

It seems Finland will do it in a couple of weeks.

We can expect this from Russia:

While Russia's forces are bogged down in Ukraine, this is the best time for them to move. If they wait, they are in line to be conquered by Russia. Any non-NATO country on Russia's borders is at risk of being conquered in the next decade (if they win in Ukraine).

 

[RJMacready73]

Absolutely...Putin's tactics have changed, not his intent, But Germany is still naively hoping that Putin will see sense and settle for Eastern Ukraine and enough pressure can be applied to make the Ukrainians accept this.

Why should Ukrainians accept this? Have you not learnt from what's going on and how Russia views the west... you show those cunts weakness and they take take take, offering them part of Ukraine to stop attacking is not only giving Putin a win, its giving him an out of this clusterfuck he started. If the war has now largely moved to the East it is up to us in the West to ensure that Ukraine has every single piece of tech needed to start pushing into the Donbas region and kick the fuckers completely out of Ukraine. This is now a proxy war between Nato and Russia and we need to win this unfortunately on the backs of extremely brave Ukrainians, Russia is nothing more than a dying country and we need to hurry it the fuck up not give it a chance to recover

 

[speckz]

Ukraine War Pushes Germans to Change. They Are Wavering. (Published 2022)

In just six weeks since Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced a strategic shift for his country, already doubts are emerging about how real and deep it is.

www.nytimes.com

 

[akimbo009]

The f*ck is wrong with you?

Would you people at least bother to read the whole quote. Here's the original:



He clearly states that Russia's brutal one-sided war is a war crime of the most atrocious order and that they will prosecute the ones responsible for it. According to Macron himself, he still wants to avoid the notion "genocide" as to not further endanger the peace talks or make a further armistice impossible. He said that "an escalation of words is not helpful right now".

Is it cowardice? Maybe. Make of these reasons what you will, but don't twist this into Macron denying or belittling the war crimes and human atrocities happening in Ukraine. And certainly don't wish f*cking genocide on others...
We've already had the White House rowing back on Biden's words.

Your takes are always so bad. It's breath taking.

Macron is dealing with domestic politics - I get that, and it's a fair reason. But it comes off as hedging when it's pretty obvious what's going on - we're all watching this in real time. It's fucking genocide. Is it escalating words? I guess. It's not like Germany or France or the UN will suddenly take direct action for calling a turd a turd.

And no, no one in the US is rowing it back. It's a typical "Biden gaff" - no accident with this guy. He gets ahead of it, they step back, then they push forward making it formal. But really, who cares - dude is right, isn't he?

 

[tommolb]

Why should Ukrainians accept this? Have you not learnt from what's going on and how Russia views the west... you show those cunts weakness and they take take take, offering them part of Ukraine to stop attacking is not only giving Putin a win, its giving him an out of this clusterfuck he started. If the war has now largely moved to the East it is up to us in the West to ensure that Ukraine has every single piece of tech needed to start pushing into the Donbas region and kick the fuckers completely out of Ukraine. This is now a proxy war between Nato and Russia and we need to win this unfortunately on the backs of extremely brave Ukrainians, Russia is nothing more than a dying country and we need to hurry it the fuck up not give it a chance to recover

I fear Ukraine is a proxy war in the same way the Spanish Civil War was for the fight against Fascism.

 

[TwinB242]

BREAKING: Sweden will apply for NATO membership - SVD​

twitter.com/bnonew...

It seems Finland will do it in a couple of weeks.

We can expect this from Russia:

I actually don't see this angering Russia as much as we think it will. I think the last few weeks have made it more evident that Russia was more interested in the destruction of Ukraine and everything that defines the country more than preventing them from joining NATO.

 

[AJUMP23]

I actually don't see this angering Russia as much as we think it will. I think the last few weeks have made it more evident that Russia was more interested in the destruction of Ukraine and everything that defines the country more than preventing them from joining NATO.

They had threatened Finland previously with a response if they decide to join NATO.

 

[TwinB242]

They had threatened Finland previously with a response if they decide to join NATO.

Dont think that means much coming from Russia. It could just be a façade for them to further justify invading Ukraine.

I hope Finland and Sweden don't cave in to Putin's empty threats and join NATO anyway.

 

[sinnergy]

16 tweets? Fuck that, dunno why anyone makes the time for that.

Post all the info, oh it's they won't start a blog. 2/4 fine, 16? Fuck off that's a life story. It won't be read.

Russia is throwing him under the bus, as predicted .

 

[strange headache]

Your takes are always so bad. It's breath taking.

That's ironic coming from somebody who is rushing to the defense of someone else wishing "just a little genocide" on France and Germany and who recently suggested that Europeans should just "make a fire" to get through winter.

My takes are not bad, they just don't appeal to your particular type of zealotry and obsession with this thread.
I contribute enough in RL, so forgive me for not feeling the need of one-upping each other in outrage rhetoric, inflammatory commentary and virtue signaling on a frikkin' video game forum. Your hyperbolic speech contributes absolutely nothing of worth and certainly won't help the poor people in Ukraine.

I find it amazing how in times of war, human misery and humanitarian need you guys still manage to excel in such partisan rhetoric.

 

[akimbo009]

That's ironic coming from somebody who is rushing to the defense of someone else wishing "just a little genocide" on France and Germany and who recently suggested that Europeans should just "make a fire" to get through winter.

My takes are not bad, they just don't appeal to your particular type of zealotry and obsession with this thread.
I contribute enough in RL, so forgive me for not feeling the need of one-upping each other in outrage rhetoric, inflammatory commentary and virtue signaling on a frikkin' video game forum. Your hyperbolic speech contributes absolutely nothing of worth and certainly won't help the poor people in Ukraine.

I find it amazing how in times of war, human misery and humanitarian need you guys still manage to excel in such partisan rhetoric.

No one is virtual signalling. What are you even going on about.

You're really defensive because your position has regularly been called out because you're defending a cohort of countries and leaders that seem to be making the wrong choice very single time from build up up until now. Don't get mad at me for their failures. And my commentary isn't entirely unique - it's not even partisan - it's a pretty unified voice globally saying countries like France and Germany have been nothing but disappointing.

And glad you are "doing RL stuff" - don't even know what that means, or why you're denigrating "just a gaming forum" for rhetorical points. If you think this place isn't worth honest debate than why are you even here or even getting involved in this discussion? Seems you just derail shit every time and then point fingers when folks hard roll eyes at your oddly pro-RahRah positions for clearly bad commentaries and actions.

Still waiting for Germany to come up with an energy policy that doesn't pay for the raping and murdering of Ukrainians. Don't like my "start a fire" comment, fine - but still not seeing any action whatsoever except blocking weapon sales and keeping the status quo.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[EverydayBeast]

Nasty footage, there’s no doubt Russia is the big tall boxer without a hard left in this fight. I’ll tell you what Ukraine will be a building block in Europe years down the road they should have undergoing this war.

 

[Von Hugh]

What the fuck is wrong with this world?

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Well, when Putin’s behind your campaign you gotta stick to the company line…

 

[strange headache]

And glad you are "doing RL stuff" - don't even know what that means, or why you're denigrating "just a gaming forum" for rhetorical points. If you think this place isn't worth honest debate than why are you even here or even getting involved in this discussion? Seems you just derail shit every time and then point fingers when folks hard roll eyes at your oddly pro-RahRah positions for clearly bad commentaries and actions.

Oh this forum is perfectly capable of honest debate, you're just not interested in it due to your militant reductivism.
Hence my contention.

Le Pen is leader of the nationalistic far-right in France.
Her party, the Front National, engages in the same alt-right populism (anti vaxx, globalist conspiracy, corona denial, etc..) to stay relevant.

She's pretty much the worst and probably in Putin's pocket.

Also that particular quote is from 2017.

 

[Tams]

I hope Finland and Sweden don't cave in to Putin's empty threats and join NATO anyway.

Ummm, the news here is that they aren't caving in.

 

[TwinB242]

Ummm, the news here is that they aren't caving in.

Its too early in the process to say. AFAIK they have been trying to get security guarantees from NATO during the application process, so thats probably going to be a deciding factor.

 

[TwinB242]

Pretty sure this is going to be campaign suicide for her. Macron is probably pretty ecstatic right now.

 

[Nikodemos]

Regarding Steinmeier getting snubbed by Zelenski:

Thread by @bctallis on Thread Reader App

@bctallis: What to do with a problem like #Steinmeier getting refused an invitation to #Kyiv by #Zelenskiy? A 🧵 on why it's better for #Germany to get proactive instead of getting offended over #Ukraine. Steinmeier ...…

threadreaderapp.com

 

[M1chl]

So many retards in Gov leadership in EU, sigh...

 

[Gp1]

edit- other sources said that the helicopters (ex Afghan Air) were nixed

 

[Raven117]

Pretty sure this is going to be campaign suicide for her. Macron is probably pretty ecstatic right now.

Hope so. While Macron has his faults, Le Pens belligerent policy is extremely not needed right now