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[Rossco EZ]

Going full steam ahead at the start of the conflict means that they will lose all momentum in no time. Make no mistake, this ends one way.

and what way is that?

 

[NeverYouMind]

What way is that? Do enlighten us.

Russia surrounds their forces from all sides and retakes Kiev.

 

[Bojji]

What way is that? Do enlighten us.

Ukraine alone can't win this war.

 

[chromhound]

What way is that? Do enlighten us.

people were saying the same about Vietnam lol. Anything is possible

 

[MikeM]

Putin, while egotistical, is calculating. He won’t step foot in a NATO country. He likes not being dead, just like the rest of us.

In saying that, he wants the old USSR states back. Ukraine was prime for the taking- not yet a NATO member and without nukes with a smaller military.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Ukraine is putting up a good fight but they need AA badly. If they had that they could hold on.

 

[Jsisto]

Undoubtedly Russia would win in a relentless assault, but im imaging a scenario where Russia pulls out, claims the “peacekeeping mission“ was a success, gets to save face and still appear strong, and would probably maintain all the power at the negotiating table.

 

[CGiRanger]

Putin, while egotistical, is calculating. He won’t step foot in a NATO country. He likes not being dead, just like the rest of us.

In saying that, he wants the old USSR states back. Ukraine was prime for the taking- not yet a NATO member and without nukes with a smaller military.

One way for him to triumph is to get Zelinsky and his govt to surrender and agree to the terms of no NATO and such. Then if he's really smart he offers up compensation and restitution to Ukraine as well, making him look "not so bad".

Undoubtedly Russia would win in a relentless assault, but im imaging a scenario where Russia pulls out, claims the “peacekeeping mission“ was a success, gets to save face and still appear strong, and would probably maintain all the power at the negotiating table.

Quite so.

 

[Wheeljack539]

Ten years ago I would have said I can't believe this is real.

 

[NeverYouMind]

people were saying the same about Vietnam lol. Anything is possible

Vietnamese had spent decades guerilla fighting the French before the U.S. had thrown its hat in the ring. The Ukrainian government forces have been fighting a mostly one sided campaign in their favor for less than a decade.

 

[Hari Seldon]

 

[chromhound]

Ten years ago I would have said I can't believe this is real.

what a clown...

 

[RoadHazard]

It has been ongoing since 2014, but out of sight out of mind I guess.

That's not a civil war, it's a Russia vs Ukraine war just like this.

 

[Sega Orphan]

I believe Germany rejected this idea

Also I don't know how verifiable this is from this person in Turkey:

It's exactly his desire to be in NATO which has fueled Putins anger.

 

[NeverYouMind]

That's not a civil war, it's a Russia vs Ukraine war just like this.

Wrong. That is propaganda. If Russia decides to engage so close to home it goes all in. See the start of the uprising revolution in Belarus for reference.

 

[Ionian]

That seems like heavy losses for Russia no?

Massive, if true. Dude didn't post sources.

Dunno how any could even be trusted right now and I say that with respect to the Ukraine. Disinformation is part of war, it's only after the fact that reality brings proof.

Always was the way.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ten years ago I would have said I can't believe this is real.

My goodness…

 

[Gp1]

here we go guys...

 

[CGiRanger]

 

[Ionian]

Wrong. That is propaganda. If Russia decides to engage so close to home it goes all in.

Looked at your username and avatar and laughed. Not against you, just was funny as it looked like Zangief.

I replied to your comment before looking.

 

[RoadHazard]

Wrong. That is propaganda. If Russia decides to engage so close to home it goes all in.

So Russia didn't go into Crimea in 2014? Alright...

 

[MightySquirrel]

Ten years ago I would have said I can't believe this is real.

Oh God knows we all needed a good laugh right now.

 

[Nobody_Important]

RIP to some fucking legends o7

 

[MightySquirrel]

Omg is this real? So many regular men might be slaughtered just because of some comedian.

 

[Ionian]

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[NeverYouMind]

Legends are vividly remembered and embellished. They will be quickly forgotten. I can only assume the Russian forces hoped the Ukrainian forces had some sense at the start of the conflict. Now remediation will be difficult.

 

[asustitan]

So Russia didn't go into Crimea in 2014? Alright...

Do you know the elected government was overthrown in 2014 and immediately put restrictions on the Russian language affecting a big portion of the people who identify as Russian.
Not to mention them having neo nazi links.

Russia will not allow Ukraine to be part of NATO. It is an unacceptable truth for big power politics, the same as U.S not wanting Russian missiles on Cuba.

 

[Ironbunny]

 

[NeverYouMind]

So Russia didn't go into Crimea in 2014? Alright...

It was diplomatically annexed but propaganda would have you believe otherwise.

 

[MightySquirrel]

Legends are vividly remembered and embellished. They will be quickly forgotten. I can only assume the Russian forces hoped the Ukrainian forces had some sense at the start of the conflict. Now remediation will be difficult.

I'd imagine they were given the chance to surrender. This war is very different from any other wars as it's basically cousin fighting a cousin.

 

[RoadHazard]

Do you know the elected government was overthrown in 2014 and immediately put restrictions on the Russian language affecting a big portion of the people who identify as Russian.
Not to mention them having neo nazi links.

Russia will not allow Ukraine to be part of NATO. It is an unacceptable truth for big power politics, the same as U.S not wanting Russian missiles on Cuba.

Ok, so you've completely bought into Putin's propaganda. Scary that we have people like you on here.

 

[RoadHazard]

It was diplomatically annexed but propaganda would have you believe otherwise.

"Diplomatically", lol. Incredible. I wonder whose propaganda YOU have been listening to.

 

[Rossco EZ]

what is this and what does it mean

 

[asustitan]

Ok, so you've completely bought into Putin's propaganda. Scary that we have people like you on here.

Can you tell me if any of that is incorrect? Or do you only look back at things that happen within the last year?

In December, Putin presented the US and NATO with a list of security demands. Chief among them was a guarantee that Ukraine will never enter NATO and that the alliance rolls back its military footprint in Eastern and Central Europe -- proposals that the US and its allies have repeatedly said are non-starters.

The wests full on stupidly not rejecting Ukraine into nato has made it come to this.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I'd imagine they were given the chance to surrender. This war is very different from any other wars as it's basically cousin fighting a cousin.

It is more complicated. Stalin flooded the western territories with other nationalities to act as a meat shield in WW2. But a large portion of the population is ethnically the same. The Soviet appointed leaders and Stalin himself have committed great atrocities in the region.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Legends are vividly remembered and embellished. They will be quickly forgotten. I can only assume the Russian forces hoped the Ukrainian forces had some sense at the start of the conflict. Now remediation will be difficult.

Some sense? What just roll over and surrender?

 

[Ironbunny]

what is this and what does it mean

Russian forces used area of chernobyl nuclear accident to go to Kiev. Might have been fighting there that has caused the case to crack?

 

[RoadHazard]

Can you tell me if any of that is incorrect? Or do you only look back only things that happen in the last year?

In December, Putin presented the US and NATO with a list of security demands. Chief among them was a guarantee that Ukraine will never enter NATO and that the alliance rolls back its military footprint in Eastern and Central Europe -- proposals that the US and its allies have repeatedly said are non-starters.

The wests full on stupidly not rejecting Ukraine into nato has made it come to this.

So the west should just roll over and accept whatever Putin demands, letting Russia decide the defensive politics of other sovereign nations? That's obviously not an option. Give a finger...

 

[dotnotbot]

Can you tell me if any of that is incorrect? Or do you only look back at things that happen within the last year?

In December, Putin presented the US and NATO with a list of security demands. Chief among them was a guarantee that Ukraine will never enter NATO and that the alliance rolls back its military footprint in Eastern and Central Europe -- proposals that the US and its allies have repeatedly said are non-starters.

The wests full on stupidly not rejecting Ukraine into nato has made it come to this.

Second demand was out of question anyway.

 

[asustitan]

So the west should just roll over and accept whatever Putin demands, letting Russia decide the defensive politics of other sovereign nations? That's obviously not an option. Give a finger...

Well yes when you are talking super powers, you don't have the opposition nextdoor !! Look up the Cold War.

 

[MikeM]

what is this and what does it mean

Its the reactor that melted down previously. Wonder if someone sabotaged it?

 

[Kittehkraken]

That seems like heavy losses for Russia no?

Depends on what Russia is using.

Russia has a massive stockpile of old cold war era tanks with minimal protection against modern anti-tank weapons.

The BMP infantry vehicles will suffer heavy loses no matter how well Russia does. They offer little protection even against small arms fire. I'd rather walk.

 

[Sega Orphan]

Ok, so you've completely bought into Putin's propaganda. Scary that we have people like you on here.

There is always two sides of the coin. There are right wing ties to the Ukrainian government. Even Vice did a piece of the right wing fascists and their influence on the Government. Basically the nationalist right wing nazis were the ones who volunteered to fight the separatists in Dombass and got alot of power from that. The Azoz battalion or something like that.
The reality is that there was a pro Russian government in Ukraine that was democratically voted in that was taken out and a pro NATO government installed. Now if you don't think the West had anything to do with it you don't understand how politics work.
Now does that vindicate Russia invading Ukraine? Not in my eyes.

Of interest was that about a week or so ago There was a US black hawk helicopter that did an emergency medilift from the Ukraine/Russian border in the East of the country that flew to a NATO hospital in Europe.
Now the only reason that this would happen is if a US asset was injured. They wouldn't do that for a Ukrainian soldier. In all likelihood it was a CIA person who was hurt. Now what would they be doing in Ukraine around the disputed border with Russia? Gods work I am sure.

 

[Rossco EZ]

Russian forces used area of chernobyl nuclear accident to go to Kiev. Might have been fighting there that has caused the case to crack?

ah i see, hopefully that hasn’t happened..

Its the reactor that melted down previously. Wonder if someone sabotaged it?

again hopefully not, would be fucked up

 

[Billbofet]

Ten years ago I would have said I can't believe this is real.

So sad when Babylon Bee headlines become reality. Damn.

 

[akimbo009]

Some sense? What just roll over and surrender?

It what the current Russian bots are push... "Just give up, it's inevitable". Just more bullshit not worth engaging. It's a good way to prune the account lists/update ignore lists though.

 

[asustitan]

There is always two sides of the coin. There are right wing ties to the Ukrainian government. Even Vice did a piece of the right wing fascists and their influence on the Government. Basically the nationalist right wing nazis were the ones who volunteered to fight the separatists in Dombass and got alot of power from that. The Azoz battalion or something like that.
The reality is that there was a pro Russian government in Ukraine that was democratically voted in that was taken out and a pro NATO government installed. Now if you don't think the West had anything to do with it you don't understand how politics work.
Now does that vindicate Russia invading Ukraine? Not in my eyes.

Of interest was that about a week or so ago There was a US black hawk helicopter that did an emergency medilift from the Ukraine/Russian border in the East of the country that flew to a NATO hospital in Europe.
Now the only reason that this would happen is if a US asset was injured. They wouldn't do that for a Ukrainian soldier. In all likelihood it was a CIA person who was hurt. Now what would they be doing in Ukraine around the disputed border with Russia? Gods work I am sure.

I know I'm in a super minority but I guarantee 99% of people don't have a clue what happened in 2014.
They also don't know why it would be unacceptable to have a nato state nextdoor !!

The media also don't give any backlog to this also or the possible reasons what drove Putin to it.

 

[MikeM]

I know I'm in a super minority but I guarantee 99% of people don't have a clue what happened in 2014.
They also don't know why it would be unacceptable to have a nato state nextdoor !!

The media also don't give any backlog to this also or the possible reasons what drove Putin to it.

Enlighten us.

 

[Hari Seldon]

what is this and what does it mean

Tanks and shit kicking up dust I’m guessing.

 

[Rossco EZ]

Tanks and shit kicking up dust I’m guessing.

good point, guess there is a lot of traffic if there’s fighting there right now