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[Chittagong]

I have for a while said is that the only outcome for Russia to end the war is to announce a great success of the Special Military Operation to quit the mess. It doesn’t matter if it’s a success, as long as the lie is repeated.

Several allies have told Putin to end the war. So my feeling is that the rush referendums and Friday speech are aimed at declaring this great success and ending the war. The mobilisations and nuclear threats are meant to convince Ukraine to accept the new borders, like it did with Crimea.

The mobilisation is completely half hearted, and Putin’s propagandists are criticising it so it will be a popular move to cancel it after the great success.

 

[Kenpachii]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

Jup, i won't fight for my government, fuck that.

 

[akimbo009]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

Isn't it super contextual, and depending on what is happening and why? I mean, I don't think most would want to be an invading force but I suspect a lot more folks defend their country.

 

[Ironbunny]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

Its about the question asked that will determinate the answer. If the question us "Will you fight for your countrys indepence if it is invaded by aggressor" youd get a different poll.

 

[winjer]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

That is true. But on the case of Russia, because conscripts are treated like shit, have old equipment, little to no pay, and very poor leadership, they have many more reasons to try to avoid conscription.

 

[Ironbunny]

Also did the poll include woman who are not drafted

 

[M1chl]

WaitTillTheEnd™

 

[Valedix]

So what happens if Ukraine attacks the newly annexed regions? Theres already fighting in the counteroffensive areas.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

News from the front: Ukraine continues its operation to encircle Lyman. Progress is good. Reportedly they are close to reach Svatove with artillery. Svatove is a major logistic center for Luhansk and northern Donetsk.

Meanwhile the orcs are advancing on bahkmut, slowly but surely.

Kherson (west of the Dnieper), not much to say. Ukraine keeps killing orcs as safe as it is for them while making orc logistics as hard as possible. Military leadership considers the region lost but Putler is not allowing them to leave.

 

[mxbison]

I have for a while said is that the only outcome for Russia to end the war is to announce a great success of the Special Military Operation to quit the mess. It doesn’t matter if it’s a success, as long as the lie is repeated.

"NATO was planning to attack us, we went over there and showed them who is boss, now they won't attack. Success. Russia still the strongest and smartest."

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

So what happens if Ukraine attacks the newly annexed regions? Theres already fighting in the counteroffensive areas.

Technically nothing if Putler wants to live. They already attacked Crimea which was stolen from Ukraine so....

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Technically nothing if Putler wants to live. They already attacked Crimea which was stolen from Ukraine so....

I hope they take Crimea back. Also, because you forgot, Fuck putler!

 

[Valedix]

Technically nothing if Putler wants to live. They already attacked Crimea which was stolen from Ukraine so....

Yeah I figured since they are already attacking Crimea

 

[sinnergy]

I have for a while said is that the only outcome for Russia to end the war is to announce a great success of the Special Military Operation to quit the mess. It doesn’t matter if it’s a success, as long as the lie is repeated.

Several allies have told Putin to end the war. So my feeling is that the rush referendums and Friday speech are aimed at declaring this great success and ending the war. The mobilisations and nuclear threats are meant to convince Ukraine to accept the new borders, like it did with Crimea.

The mobilisation is completely half hearted, and Putin’s propagandists are criticising it so it will be a popular move to cancel it after the great success.

Doesn’t matter , the war will end when Ukraine has its land back …

 

[rofif]

Its all stupid... These guys are dying and will die. It's worse than a boy scout camp... So callous.

Amazing. Get the from the streets and even ask to take a huge list of things lol.
They just get dirty clothes lol

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Isn't it super contextual, and depending on what is happening and why? I mean, I don't think most would want to be an invading force but I suspect a lot more folks defend their country.

Exactly. Would I sign up to invade another country? Hell no. Would I sign up to defend my family and fellow countrymen from genocide? Hell yes.

 

[Chittagong]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears

Jesus, USA sabotaging the Nordstreams? Makes literally zero sense for Russia to bomb them as they can simply turn off the tap. On the other hand, USA is keen to have Europe move onto their gas.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears

Jesus, USA sabotaging the Nordstreams? Makes literally zero sense for Russia to bomb them as they can simply turn off the tap. On the other hand, USA is keen to have Europe move onto their gas.

Do you really think the US would punch itself in the dick by sabotaging its allies like this?

 

[funkygunther]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears

Jesus, USA sabotaging the Nordstreams? Makes literally zero sense for Russia to bomb them as they can simply turn off the tap. On the other hand, USA is keen to have Europe move onto their gas.

well if Russia just turned them off there wouldn't be the element of doubt expressed in a post like yours, would there?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears

Jesus, USA sabotaging the Nordstreams? Makes literally zero sense for Russia to bomb them as they can simply turn off the tap. On the other hand, USA is keen to have Europe move onto their gas.

Several African countries have offered their gas to Europe, so they have a vested interest as well and popping a pipe is not a high tech operation.

 

[Ironbunny]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears

Jesus, USA sabotaging the Nordstreams? Makes literally zero sense for Russia to bomb them as they can simply turn off the tap. On the other hand, USA is keen to have Europe move onto their gas.

Nah. USA doing it makes no sense. Russia has been pulling this shit earlier already.

 

[winjer]

One thing is having gas to sell, another very different thing is to be able to liquify it and send it in ships.
Qatar is the leading country in LNG, so my money is on them

 

[TwinB242]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

This seems made up or completely outdated. How can Afghanistan be at 76% when the Afghan army just melted away at the first sight of AK wielding farmers...

 

[Chittagong]

You would need a submarine to take out the line, right?

It's literally a Gasprom owned pipe.

Our Shareholders - Nord Stream AG

Nord Stream is a natural gas pipeline through the Baltic Sea. The pipeline is a key factor in securing energy security in Europe.

www.nord-stream.com

Nord Stream is a joint project involving five major companies: Gazprom international projects LLC (PJSC Gazprom subsidiary), Wintershall Dea AG, PEG Infrastruktur AG (E.ON), N.V. Nederlandse Gasunie and ENGIE. Such a powerful consortium guarantees the best technology, security and corporate governance.

 

[Alx]

There's no benefit for gas-selling countries to blow up the pipes when all European countries already planned on doing without those (either by their own decision or assuming Russia will cut them off sooner or later). The attack is a bit weird to analyze to be honest, but it could mean "be warned we can hit any pipeline if we want, you can't be safe", or it's just a way to spread confusion.

 

[Ironbunny]

You would need a submarine to take out the line, right?

It's literally a Gasprom owned pipe.

And? You dont see strategic meaning for ruZZia to claim nato/eu attacked their infrastructure on international waters? Also to fix this EU and ruZZia would need to work together?

 

[sinnergy]

There's no benefit for gas-selling countries to blow up the pipes when all European countries already planned on doing without those (either by their own decision or assuming Russia will cut them off sooner or later). The attack is a bit weird to analyze to be honest, but it could mean "be warned we can hit any pipeline if we want, you can't be safe", or it's just a way to spread confusion.

You give Putin too much credit … but if he did, he even doesn’t care about the nature that he polluted . So lets hope it’s a weird accident

 

[Liljagare]

https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27...opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia

 

[chromhound]

I heard Russians were breaking their legs to not go to war

 

[nemiroff]

When you are not even from Ukraine, but you decide for them, what expected results. Hope he gets fucked.

"Breaking"

The only way this would be breaking news is if ruzzia suddenly stopped doing their shams.

 

[IWasInSeinfeld]

When you are not even from Ukraine, but you decide for them, what expected results. Hope he gets fucked.

They forgot to mention the fact that at the very least 95% of people who are left in the region never voted in the first place, they were too scared to even open the doors when people from the so-called campaign came to ask for their vote, on top of that, a small minority of people were approached with the vote directly and most of them refused to vote and said "No", some of the people that I interacted directly with did the same thing.

 

[MaestroMike]

I heard Russians were breaking their legs to not go to war

 

[sinnergy]

"Breaking"

The only way this would be breaking news is if ruzzia suddenly stopped doing their shams.

It would be breaking news if Russia disappears from the planet ..

 

[MikeM]

Wow that was loud!

 

[El Pistolero]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

Moroccan here, and I will gladly echo the attitude of my countrymen: I will defend my country with my life, despite being otherwise a well-established coward.

 

[Patrick S.]

I'm in a work related discord channel where half the staff are Russian. The company is owned by a Russian who studied and lived in California. At least half the staff are Russian. Whenever they make an announcement people always respond with random emojis just to say they've read it.

Back in march they we're all replying with Russian flag emojis. It was like they we're all secretly proud and feeling patriotic about what was happening. Very few Russian flag emojis lately however. It's like the cucks finally realise how bad they're getting beat. I always snuck in a little Ukrainian flag emoji just to wind them up.

Also anytime we had a major issue with changes made by upper management we'd complain and suggest things need to change or get reversed. And the cucks from Russia always replied with, what's the point in complaining nothing will change. This always made me so angry. The stench of defeatism off them.

I know this doesn't apply to them all but it's a pretty accurate generalisation.

One of my colleagues is from one of the former Soviet states. The other day, the conversation went to the subject "Ukraine". Motherfucker STILL has the balls to excuse this shit; with his stupid "what would you do if Nato was at your border?" logic. And he says that any account of rape or civilian killings or torture etc. either didn't happen or is greatly exaggerated. And if we see footage of a tank driving over a Ukrainian civilian car it's probably fake or staged. And then he deflects with "and why is nobody talking about Iran?" and I'm like, bitch, who the fuck cares about Iran? Who is invading a sovereign European country, Russia or Iran?!

I can't belive it, honestly. This isn't some scrub but an intelligent guy in a manager position at the company. WTF!

 

[M1chl]

Totally normal behavior

 

[MrA]

They forgot to mention the fact that at the very least 95% of people who are left in the region never voted in the first place, they were too scared to even open the doors when people from the so-called campaign came to ask for their vote, on top of that, a small minority of people were approached with the vote directly and most of them refused to vote and said "No", some of the people that I interacted directly with did the same thing.

That election was fraudulent, no way.

 

[IWasInSeinfeld]

That election was fraudulent, no way.

Everyone knew that before it even began, what worries me is that there might be people living today who still think that somehow just because there is an election somehow it makes all of it "Okay".

 

[Aure]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

Argentina, hell no. I would flee or gladly join the enemy forces. I hate this commie infested shithole so much.
Even more so that government is pro-russian, we've always been on the wrong side of history.
UK should have nuked us back in the Falklands War.

 

[darth.shrimp]

Totally normal behavior

Translation?
~edit: nvm, google translate was good enough... what's wrong with these orcs...

 

[LimanimaPT]

I heard Russians were breaking their legs to not go to war

That won't work. Probably they are going to give them two sticks and a rope to put on those legs and off you go.

 

[M1chl]

Translation?

Oh shit sorry

"Police beaten and rape guy with dumbbell who were reciting anti-war poetry in Moscow"

 

[FunkMiller]

The vast majority of people in the developed world don't want to go to war. If any other Western country were stupid enough to wage a (more or less official) war and were to start drafting its citizens, you'd always see a mass exodus of its people.

What is the source for this, please?

 

[Ironbunny]

What is the source for this, please?

this propably

https://www.gallup-international.bg...e-in-five-willing-to-fight-for-their-country/

Sample Size and Mode of Field Work:

A total of 62,398 persons were interviewed globally. In each country a representative sample of around 1000 men and women was interviewed either face to face (30 countries; n=32258), via telephone (12 countries; n=9784) or online (22 countries; n=20356). Details are attached. The field work was conducted during September 2014 – December 2014. The margin of error for the survey is between 2.14 and 4.45 +3-5% at 95% confidence level.

The global average has been computed according to the share of the covered adult population of the surveyed countries.

 

[FunkMiller]

Several allies have told Putin to end the war. So my feeling is that the rush referendums and Friday speech are aimed at declaring this great success and ending the war. The mobilisations and nuclear threats are meant to convince Ukraine to accept the new borders, like it did with Crimea.

There is zero chance of Ukraine doing this now. Zelensky clearly has the backing of NATO countries to continue this conflict until all of Ukraine - including Crimea - is free of Russians. That is the only way this war ends. And even when that happens, NATO countries will continue to destabilise the Russian state, knowing how badly they are going to be on the ropes.

 

[FunkMiller]

this propably

https://www.gallup-international.bg...e-in-five-willing-to-fight-for-their-country/

Sample Size and Mode of Field Work:

A total of 62,398 persons were interviewed globally. In each country a representative sample of around 1000 men and women was interviewed either face to face (30 countries; n=32258), via telephone (12 countries; n=9784) or online (22 countries; n=20356). Details are attached. The field work was conducted during September 2014 – December 2014. The margin of error for the survey is between 2.14 and 4.45 +3-5% at 95% confidence level.

The global average has been computed according to the share of the covered adult population of the surveyed countries.

Thanks.

My only two real observations are that 62,000 people globally isn’t the greatest of sample sizes, and the results would probably far different now from what they were in 2014, when the world was a very different place.

Still interesting though.

 

[akimbo009]

Thanks.

My only two real observations are that 62,000 people globally isn’t the greatest of sample sizes, and the results would probably far different now from what they were in 2014, when the world was a very different place.

Still interesting though.

But 2014.... Lots has changed

 

[M1chl]

 

[M1chl]

Oh shit...