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[FunkMiller]

Its a twitter post, stop being so dramatic.

Sorry if the discovery that Musk is a bit of an asshat is troubling for you.

 

[winjer]

Can someone explain to me how Russia can be a threat to whole Europe, while we also belittle every strategic choice their army is doing? Isn’t this a paradox?

Have you heard of nuclear weapons?

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

I read the last 2 pages, my mind almost got rotten with the sheer stupidity I saw from some posters.

Ukraine is an independent country, they can decide the fucking hell they want to join, Do they want to join NATO? it is fine. Do they want to join Japan? it's fine too.

Ruzzia has no saying on that. It should be like Ruzzia decided later to join Taiwan, and China attacks them because it is not what they want. No country has the right to tell another what they can do. Ruzzia had a deal with Ukraine for the loss of their Nuclear capabilities and we know how that ended.

Then the people who say "Ukraine should just give Ruzzia what they want", are you serious? Then later down the road, when they attack again what? Let's give them the land of another country little by little, with no consequences. If you want to give up on your property, give me your address and I will go there, then you can sign an "agreement with me" stating you will give up your property for free (to me). I am serious "if you support just giving Ruzzia the land they stole, then you must be prepared to give yours too, it should be fair."

If no one sets a precedent then, next time China will attack Taiwan, or who knows what other country, the same with Ruzzia. They can go happy trying to do "referendums" because they have nuclear power, and no one will do anything since "not our problem", and they can annex anything as far as it is at gunpoint.

Like it or not, this is the end of Ruzzia as we know it, one way or another.

 

[kuncol02]

Russia can (even without nukes) do a lot of damage if they choose to. Blowing up the Norwegian gas pipelines and torpedoing a few LNG tankers would be quite damaging and Russia can simply deny doing it, blaming the US as always.

It would be smarter for them to start war with nuking whole west world. Bigger chance of winning. Any attack on Norwegian pipelines or tankers would be considered act of war.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

You know what bothers me? Ukraine fought hard for Kherson and now that they have a major victory forcing a victorious retreat from the Russian forces we get tons of people dumping kremlin takes on the thread.

 

[FunkMiller]

You know what bothers me? Ukraine fought hard for Kherson and now that they have a major victory forcing a victorious retreat from the Russian forces we get tons of people dumping kremlin takes on the thread.

Doesn't matter. Only stuff like this does:

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[Meicyn]

It would be smarter for them to start war with nuking whole west world. Bigger chance of winning. Any attack on Norwegian pipelines or tankers would be considered act of war.

Nah on the nukes, it’d guarantee their extinction. The nuclear triad ensures this.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Your comment:



You clearly stated you didn't think Ukraine could win.

I explained it twice already. Can't do better than that.

And you are claiming that NATO backed Ukraine cannot beat Russia... with absolutely no evidence to suggest this is true, so what's the point in even saying it? Again, what evidence do you have of this?

If they were actually NATO backed, I'd have a different opinion. Aside from a few intelligence operators, there are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine as far as we know.

 

[prinz_valium]

Ruzzia has no saying on that. It should be like Ruzzia decided later to join Taiwan, and China attacks them because it is not what they want. No country has the right to tell another what they can do. Ruzzia had a deal with Ukraine for the loss of their Nuclear capabilities and we know how that ended.

Agreed. But no country is abiding by that rule except maybe Switzerland.
Oh and this also applies to individuals and other entities.

 

[FunkMiller]

I explained it twice already. Can't do better than that.

If they were actually NATO backed, I'd have a different opinion. Aside from a few intelligence operators, there are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine as far as we know.

No. You didn't. And your inability to provide a straight answer is telling.

And of course by 'NATO backed', you know damn well I mean equipment, intel, training and strategic advice.

They really don't need NATO troops to kill all those pathetic Russians

 

[Bragr]

Sorry if the discovery that Musk is a bit of an asshat is troubling for you.

I dont judge people based on twitter or forum posts if they have at least a semblance of rational thought behind it. People are allowed to make posts that sound stupid.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

No. You didn't. And your inability to provide a straight answer is telling.

Yes I did, and I gave a straight answer. Both Ukraine and Russia likely can't win this war. For Russia it largely depends on what their goals were.

And of course by 'NATO backed', you know damn well I mean equipment, intel, training and strategic advice.

They really don't need NATO troops to kill all those pathetic Russians

Yeah, I don't think that's gonna be enough.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I explained it twice already. Can't do better than that.

If they were actually NATO backed, I'd have a different opinion. Aside from a few intelligence operators, there are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine as far as we know.

Hold on, didn’t you try to claim a few posts above that the only reason Ukraine is succeeding is because foreign troops?

 

[Wildebeest]

Comment is free, but facts are sacred. The main facts to remember are that Russia illegally invaded a country, a sort of totally unprovoked imperial war of aggression that the world has not seen for a long time, and that continually they threaten the other spectre of nuclear first strike and a start to a horrible escalation. To see them as the good guys is "comment" but such a huge reach for me that I doubt the thought process of anyone defending such a position.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Ukraine's rapid advance into Russian-held areas is outpacing Russia’s efforts to expedite training for newly mobilized troops to reinforce its campaign, say Ukrainian & Western officials.“There is virtually nothing Russia can do that can make a difference"​

twitter.com/mjluxm...


Plain and simple, Ruzzia has no capabilities to train people for war (at this time), which takes months, their corrupt army, and ineptitude go from Putler to the lowest soldier. We have seen stories about people getting only bullets (no weapons), people mobilized after getting to the bus, the military telling the poor meat shield to get tampons and women's pads, others being thrown in a forest with nothing, soldiers getting drunk, getting shoot by their own, and more of this shitshow of war.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Hold on, didn’t you try to claim a few posts above that the only reason Ukraine is succeeding is because foreign troops?

Nope.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Nope.

Oh, true! Apologies.

 

[Kerotan]

If Ukraine manage to take the Dam crossing without Russian soldier's retreating they are fucked. Even if they are held up at mylove or somewhere else, they're now much closer to it so hitting it with artillery will be much more effective.

The Russians there must be shitting it.

 

[kuncol02]

Nah on the nukes, it’d guarantee their extinction. The nuclear triad ensures this.

War with whole NATO guarantees that too, but unlike with starting war with nukes they would never have a chance to strike first.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Yes I did, and I gave a straight answer. Both Ukraine and Russia likely can't win this war. For Russia it largely depends on what their goals were.

Russia changes its tune daily on what success looks like. Their goals initially included toppling the government and capturing Kyiv in the first week.

Yeah, I don't think that's gonna be enough.

Ukraine has the manpower, training, equipment, and, perhaps most importantly, the initiative and will to keep fighting. This very well could end with the return of Crimea to Ukraine and Putz being deposed. That might seem like pie in the sky and wishful thinking at this point, but so was the idea of Ukraine holding on for more than a week or two in February. Russia is running out of men and equipment, and throwing in a bunch of freezing, drunk conscripts with rusty 50 year old kalashnikovs isn’t going to make a difference.

 

[Azurro]

Terrible gotcha, it's not like us peasants know anything for sure. We're exchanging mostly opinions.

I agree that it might be too late for a turnaround. It'll still be enough to prolong this war for a decade, if need be.

All I see is baseless accusations. Feel free to disengage.

The console warring arguing tactics you use in Xbox vs whatever console are annoying, but for you to use those tactics on an international conflict where people are dying and the aggressor believes in genocide is a completely different level. I don't think you have the intelligence or mental capacity to have a productive discussion about this as your best attempt is what you are doing now, troll and annoy.

 

[acm2000]

we need a mod to get in here and sort this out because there are pages and pages of trash talk

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Ukraine's rapid advance into Russian-held areas is outpacing Russia’s efforts to expedite training for newly mobilized troops to reinforce its campaign, say Ukrainian & Western officials.“There is virtually nothing Russia can do that can make a difference"​

twitter.com/mjluxm...


Plain and simple, Ruzzia has no capabilities to train people for war (at this time), which takes months, their corrupt army, and ineptitude go from Putler to the lowest soldier. We have seen stories about people getting only bullets (no weapons), people mobilized after getting to the bus, the military telling the poor meat shield to get tampons and women's pads, others being thrown in a forest with nothing, soldiers getting drunk, getting shoot by their own, and more of this shitshow of war.

Ukraine is really blitzing them on 2 fronts. It's impressive. Russia will probably end up throwing a bunch of untrained bodies into the fire, to try to slow the advance. But that's only going to have a negative effect, as the mounting casualties sap morale. All this going into winter with supply lines under constant fire. I'm hoping for a cascade effect.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Ukraine is really blitzing them on 2 fronts. It's impressive. Russia will probably end up throwing a bunch of untrained bodies into the fire, to try to slow the advance. But that's only going to have a negative effect, as the mounting casualties sap morale. All this going into winter with supply lines under constant fire. I'm hoping for a cascade effect.

I can see a lot of Ruzzian being frozen to death way before winter (I do not know when it "officially" starts). Some places I read are now at -5. At the beginning of the war, there were multiple frozen Ruzzians, and they had better equipment and fewer problems than now.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I can see a lot of Ruzzian being frozen to death way before winter (I do not know when it "officially" starts). Some places I read are now at -5. At the beginning of the war, there were multiple frozen Ruzzians, and they had better equipment and fewer problems than now.

Not to mention their fieldcraft is horrendous, even their pro troops appear to have no training in this matter.

 

[nemiroff]

Its a twitter post, stop being so dramatic.

Well, Kreml begs to differ. They found it important enough to thank Musk for his service..

And interestingly enough they ended their thanks with this:

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov also told reporters in a conference call that Moscow had always been open to a negotiated end to the conflict.

Absurd to the max, ruzzians being ruzzians. No scruples.

 

[Gp1]

Doesn't matter. Only stuff like this does:

This is so sad...


I was expecting to see an encirclement when I saw that salient near the river

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Russia has huge problems with deployment, training, equipping of troops, says British intel​

english.nv.ua/nation...

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Edit: If they go ahead with it, Ruzzia losses troops, equipment, ammunition, and wasted time on training/logistics moving these people for nothing, which is good.

 

[Bragr]

Well, Kreml begs to differ. They found it important enough to thank Musk for his service..

And interestingly enough they ended their thanks with this:



Absurd to the max, ruzzians being ruzzians. No scruples.

Who cares what they say? they will thank anyone at this point.

 

[Ironbunny]

Damn Satan worshippers at USA are behind it all.

 

[nemiroff]

Who cares what they say?

What do you mean who cares what the people behind the invasion of Ukraine have to say about one of the most influential people in the world..? The propaganda value is astronomical in the context of legitimizing the invasion/land-grabbing to common ruzzians, and hence it furthers the Kremlin stranglehold on ruzzia and fuels their Russkiye mir crusade on eastern Europe.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The console warring arguing tactics you use in Xbox vs whatever console are annoying, but for you to use those tactics on an international conflict where people are dying and the aggressor believes in genocide is a completely different level. I don't think you have the intelligence or mental capacity to have a productive discussion about this as your best attempt is what you are doing now, troll and annoy.

Either discuss the topic or move on. No need for baseless accusations.

 

[nemiroff]

Either discuss the topic or move on. No need for baseless accusations.

Ok:

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Ok:

Based

 

[sinnergy]

Ukraine is really blitzing them on 2 fronts. It's impressive. Russia will probably end up throwing a bunch of untrained bodies into the fire, to try to slow the advance. But that's only going to have a negative effect, as the mounting casualties sap morale. All this going into winter with supply lines under constant fire. I'm hoping for a cascade effect.

You gotta keep chasing those fuckers .. right back into Russia .. so they can’t dig in .

 

[Bragr]

What do you mean who cares what the people behind the invasion of Ukraine have to say about one of the most influential people in the world..? The propaganda value is astronomical in the context of legitimizing the invasion/land-grabbing to common ruzzians, and hence it furthers the Kremlin stranglehold on ruzzia and fuels their Russkiye mir crusade on eastern Europe.

Musk offered an opinion. What Russia does with that is not in our hands.

 

[Slicker than your average]

Either discuss the topic or move on. No need for baseless accusations.

I would hardly call it baseless accuscations... You rountily make up shit or peddle garbage as fact then walk away from the discussion without providing any receipts.

even in this 'discussion' on the previous page someone put a hole in your 'logic' and you ignored it and carried on repeating the same arugment to whoever.

History has shown you don't need to have the larger army or military equipment to win, even with or without international aid. Vietnam, Afghanistan for both Russian and USA are some recent arguments.

All you have to do is grind them down until they run out of public support or if you're broke like Russia out of money, men and equipment.
Russia has used most of its best troops and equipment already and is buying garbage from N.Korea, you think they can magically pull some super weapon out? It's not WW2 any more, Putin can't just throw millions of men into the meat grinder to die like Stalin did. You would have to be thick as fuck to think otherwise, oh wait.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Either discuss the topic or move on. No need for baseless accusations.

You’re not actually discussing it neither since you avoid arguing the facts and hide behind “belief” to repeat the same things.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

You’re not actually discussing it neither since you avoid arguing the facts and hide behind “belief” to repeat the same things.

I did discuss it. As said before, we're mostly exchanging opinions here. It is what it is. And time will show who was right.

 

[Don Carlo]

Metro Exodus Animator Passes Away Fighting Against Russians In Ukraine

A talented animator known for his work in the Metro games series has died while protecting his homeland against Russian invaders.

exputer.com

Hero

 

[BadBurger]

All of the social media posts I am seeing now are basically NSFW desolation of Russian soldiers and equipment. Video after video of dead Russians left on the roadside behind retreats.

This is Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia. I don't know if a supposed major power ever lost like this in such a short time.

 

[Don Carlo]

^Agreed

 

[winjer]

If you are wondering about what happens if Russia uses nukes on Ukraine, allow me to present you the Hadley circulation. With particular attention to the westerlies, a dominant wind in Europe, that flows from west to east.
Radiation fallout would still affect western Europe, but the country hit the most, after Ukraine, would be Russia.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I did discuss it. As said before, we're mostly exchanging opinions here. It is what it is. And time will show who was right.

No, we are not.

Ukraine advancing is a fact. Yet you claim stalemate.

Russian mobilized troops are not being trained nor given equipment and the morale is low, that’s a fact. Yet you claim these troops will be decisive.

Russia being reduced to buying artillery supplies from North Korea and sending 1960s tanks to the front is a fact. Yet you claim they have unending supplies of Soviet era equipment.

Ukraine taking back massive swathes of territory while Russian best troops can barely move the Donetsk frontline is a fact. Yet you claim without NATO troops Ukraine can’t win.

You are not arguing the facts, you are trolling to disrupt the thread.

 

[akimbo009]

If you are wondering about what happens if Russia uses nukes on Ukraine, allow me to present you the Hadley circulation. With particular attention to the westerlies, a dominant wind in Europe, that flows from west to east.
Radiation fallout would still affect western Europe, but the country hit the most, after Ukraine, would be Russia.

Nukes have a very short half life - it's different than a reactor failure - but within days radiation is broadly dispersed in negligable amounts into the high atmosphere. Nukes are obviously shitty, but radioactive fallout isn't the deepest concern (unless dosens are dropped, but it's still not a Chernobyl like event).

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Ukraine advancing is a fact. Yet you claim stalemate.

Stalemate long term, as we've seen in the past 4 months or so before the counterattack.

Russian mobilized troops are not being trained nor given equipment and the morale is low, that’s a fact. Yet you claim these troops will be decisive.

No. I just say that them being in a non-ideal state won't change the outcome (stalemate) much.

Russia being reduced to buying artillery supplies from North Korea and sending 1960s tanks to the front is a fact. Yet you claim they have unending supplies of Soviet era equipment.

Both things can be true at the same time. I don't think they will run out of weapons or ammunition any time soon.

Ukraine taking back massive swathes of territory while Russian best troops can barely move the Donetsk frontline is a fact. Yet you claim without NATO troops Ukraine can’t win.

Ukraine taking back some territory doesn't necessarily mean they can take all of the territory, yes.

You are not arguing the facts, you are trolling to disrupt the thread.

Instead of accepting differing opinions, you're trying to discredit me as a troll. Many such cases! Sad!

 

[akimbo009]

Stalemate long term, as we've seen in the past 4 months or so before the counterattack.

No. I just say that them being in a non-ideal state won't change the outcome (stalemate) much.

Both things can be true at the same time. I don't think they will run out of weapons or ammunition any time soon.

Ukraine taking back some territory doesn't necessarily mean they can take all of the territory, yes.

Instead of accepting differing opinions, you're trying to discredit me as a troll. Many such cases! Sad!

Shut the fuck up man.

 

[winjer]

Nukes have a very short half life - it's different than a reactor failure - but within days radiation is broadly dispersed in negligable amounts into the high atmosphere. Nukes are obviously shitty, but radioactive fallout isn't the deepest concern (unless dosens are dropped, but it's still not a Chernobyl like event).

What? Do you think that means there are no effects.
There are bad effects from radiation months and years after. There are islands where France, UK and USA tested nukes, in the 60s, that today are still not safe to live in.

And of course, the short term effects, during the first couple of months are terrifying.