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[Lukaku's First Touch]

The intel leaks from months back implied it was a forever war and an expert on CNN from a week or two ago basically said the same thing. I want Ukraine to win too but there are limits. I'm tired of hearing all about how we're fighting Russia for pennies on the dollar. We have problems of our own. There has to be a better attempt at diplomacy.

Tell that to the parents of the 6 year old killed during one of many bombings on civilians today by russian scum.

 

[BlackTron]

The problem is that the first point you make is not fact. Never heard a single military official claim that there is a way to equip them to a point where they can minimize casualties. You always will lose far more troops when on the attack. There is no certainty that long range missiles or planes will push the Russians out. This has been stated many times. It might but it could also make no difference. This is what is being assessed right now. When we give Ukraine weapons, we are increasing their casualties because it allows them to go on the offensive. People disconnect the two as if people aren't involved. Planes will be shot down and tanks will be destroyed. What we are trying to avoid is Ukraine losing 50,000 for a village or two. The Russians can if they want. That's why the narrative has changed from pushing the Russians out to degrading the Russian military but how many Ukrainians is that worth. Even the Ukrainians went against NATO'S strategy to minimize lives. It's easy because we're not dying.

Minimizing casualties is not a point you achieve; it's just something you do. If you have six armies, you minimize casualties by applying pressure with all six at the same time instead of a drip feed of sending one at a time. However many losses you have, it's less than if you sent forces in piecemeal. Surely, lacking air support months ago has already created a loss of efficiency that compounds on itself. Maybe you should play a game of Starcraft or something?

Sure, maybe it's not a great idea to send small waves of Marines with a few tanks into walls of sunken colonies over and over, and if that's all they feel they can do with what is being supplied, then we're screwed. We need to amass the death ball with 40 siege tanks supported by BCs and Carriers. If we did that, the same amount of people could spank Russia with less casualties. But boo hoo, there's no guarantee it will work, so let the Zerg take over the universe

 

[Madserb2023]

Minimizing casualties is not a point you achieve; it's just something you do. If you have six armies, you minimize casualties by applying pressure with all six at the same time instead of a drip feed of sending one at a time. However many losses you have, it's less than if you sent forces in piecemeal. Surely, lacking air support months ago has already created a loss of efficiency that compounds on itself. Maybe you should play a game of Starcraft or something?

Sure, maybe it's not a great idea to send small waves of Marines with a few tanks into walls of sunken colonies over and over, and if that's all they feel they can do with what is being supplied, then we're screwed. We need to amass the death ball with 40 siege tanks supported by BCs and Carriers. If we did that, the same amount of people could spank Russia with less casualties. But boo hoo, there's no guarantee it will work, so let the Zerg take over the universe

I think this is where we have a problem. It's not Starcraft. If everytime you had an electric shock when someone died in Starcraft you would stop playing the game.

 

[BlackTron]

I think this is where we have a problem. It's not Starcraft. If everytime you had an electric shock when someone died in Starcraft you would stop playing the game.

This is where we have a disconnect -if you wanted to limit the total number of electric shocks, you would amass a deathball and get it done. You wouldn't negotiate with the Zerg so you can suffer another thousand shocks after thinking you had actually done something.

 

[Madserb2023]

Life is not a game. If your strategy doesn't work in a game you lose and start again. In Ukraine, thats a 100,000 people that don't have another life. This is what is being considered. It is literally being measured in UPK (Ukrainians per kilometre). The death ball in real life will cost a lot of lives like D Day. The taking of Crimea might even need an amphibious assault. Even armed to the hilt could result in an incredible loss of life. There is an absolute possibility that it can fail and it is not boohoo, so don't bother then. If scenarios being tested do not end in a Ukrainian victory we will stop arming them.

 

[winjer]

Life is not a game. If your strategy doesn't work in a game you lose and start again. In Ukraine, thats a 100,000 people that don't have another life. This is what is being considered. It is literally being measured in UPK (Ukrainians per kilometre). The death ball in real life will cost a lot of lives like D Day. The taking of Crimea might even need an amphibious assault. Even armed to the hilt could result in an incredible loss of life. There is an absolute possibility that it can fail and it is not boohoo, so don't bother then. If scenarios being tested do not end in a Ukrainian victory we will stop arming them.

The choice to continue fighting and risking life is not made by western countries. It is made by the Ukrainian people. And so far, their resolve to fight is strong.
The only thing we, in the west can do, is to support them. Giving them the equipment to fight is a small price, compared to what the Ukrainian people are paying.
Another price to pay is that of letting an authoritarian regime conquer other countries, or parts of it. As this will always result in a new invasion, just some years later.
Several Russian officials have already stated they want territories that include all of Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, and even Alaska. Lavrov went so far to even state that the reunification of Eastern Germany was ilegal, insinuating it belonged to Russia.
So either we pay the cost of stopping Russian aggression now. Or we will pay it many times over in the future, with money and blood.
Appeasement never worked with authoritarian regimes. Quite the contrary, it emboldens them to continue to be belligerent.

And if the west had given Ukraine, the equipment it needs to win, sooner and in quantity, the human cost would be smaller.
A good example is that of the Kerch Strait Bridge. Had the Ukrainian forces received missiles capable of destroying it a year ago, Russia would have great difficulties in supplying their fronts with men and equipment.
This would mean fewer defenses for Ukraine to surpass, resulting in fewer losses.

 

[Tams]

Life is not a game. If your strategy doesn't work in a game you lose and start again. In Ukraine, thats a 100,000 people that don't have another life. This is what is being considered. It is literally being measured in UPK (Ukrainians per kilometre). The death ball in real life will cost a lot of lives like D Day. The taking of Crimea might even need an amphibious assault. Even armed to the hilt could result in an incredible loss of life. There is an absolute possibility that it can fail and it is not boohoo, so don't bother then. If scenarios being tested do not end in a Ukrainian victory we will stop arming them.

Yet you still haven't addressed/have conveniently ignored what would likely happen if Russia were allowed to consolidate the territory they have already brutally stolen.

Come on. Address that.

 

[Lunarorbit]

The rapists are coming home. Wagner stopped recruitment from prisons in February (so they saw) and the first contracts of convicts are coming up.

Good luck assholes. Saw this coming a mile away. No support system for mental health in Russian military anyway so be careful with ptsd rapists and murders running around.

Besides the Japanese the Russians were the most feared for their brutal torture and rape of women in WW2. German women notoriously took the brunt of these rapes

 

[Madserb2023]

Yes, ultimately it is the Ukrainians who are choosing to do this and I respect that, however that choice is not made alone. Their decision to continue fighting is very much dependent on support from the West. So we are involved and responsible to a certain degree. If we said that we won't support an invasion of Crimea because we believe that it would be too catastrophic then they probably won't. In regards to arming them earlier, without a time machine we won't know for sure. The same could be said about Russia if they did A, B or C they would have taken Kiev etc. The thing is we didn't and what's done is done. The Russians have built defenses and as a result the offensive is now much more brutal than it would have been. I don't see the point In hypotheticals, only the reality at this moment I
In time. The reality is that the Russians are more insane than people thought and we at danger of underestimating them as they did with Ukraine. Going by Bakmut, I wouldn't be surprised if they would take a million casualties to hold Crimea meaning Ukraine would lose 200,000 to take it and thats with a really optimistic ratio of 5:1. And whether people like it or not we will be part of it.

 

[winjer]

Yes, ultimately it is the Ukrainians who are choosing to do this and I respect that, however that choice is not made alone. Their decision to continue fighting is very much dependent on support from the West. So we are involved and responsible to a certain degree. If we said that we won't support an invasion of Crimea because we believe that it would be too catastrophic then they probably won't. In regards to arming them earlier, without a time machine we won't know for sure. The same could be said about Russia if they did A, B or C they would have taken Kiev etc. The thing is we didn't and what's done is done. The Russians have built defenses and as a result the offensive is now much more brutal than it would have been. I don't see the point In hypotheticals, only the reality at this moment I
In time. The reality is that the Russians are more insane than people thought and we at danger of underestimating them as they did with Ukraine. Going by Bakmut, I wouldn't be surprised if they would take a million casualties to hold Crimea meaning Ukraine would lose 200,000 to take it and thats with a really optimistic ratio of 5:1. And whether people like it or not we will be part of it.

But the thing is we know that the Kersh Bridge is the main supply line for the Russian forces. The alternative is a road that goes near marshes and is much closer to the frontlines, and because of that, much easier to hit by the Ukrainians.
Without the bridge, it would have been impossible to build such defenses. You can be sure of that.
And if the Ukrainians already had western fighters, they would could have a decent chance at getting air superiority in their own territory. Which would make the current offensive less costly.

There is not alternative for Russia. They are isolated. They don't get weapons from the west and China is not willing to give them anything more powerful than consumer drones and small arms.
And North Korea has even older equipment than Russia has in stock. So that's not going to help.
The real asset Russia has is people like you, that try advocate for the west not to give Ukraine the help it really needs.

 

[delirium trigger]

The people who say Ukraine must take back Crimea or else Russia will take over Poland, etc, are the same people who mock Russia's military capabilities. Which one is it?

Russia couldn't even get Kyiv. They're not taking over Europe but they can defend Crimea and that's painfully obvious. It's a stalemate and they're fighting like it's WW1.

At one point the Vietnam war made sense - to halt the spread of communism. But after years of sending young people to die cooler heads prevailed.

 

[Liljagare]

Ukrainians break through minefield towards Tokmak.





The objective is to cut the roads and railway tracks east and west of Tokmak. I really hope they make that happen in the next 2-3 weeks, it would be a major action.

 

[winjer]

The people who say Ukraine must take back Crimea or else Russia will take over Poland, etc, are the same people who mock Russia's military capabilities. Which one is it?

Russia couldn't even get Kyiv. They're not taking over Europe but they can defend Crimea and that's painfully obvious. It's a stalemate and they're fighting like it's WW1.

At one point the Vietnam war made sense - to halt the spread of communism. But after years of sending young people to die cooler heads prevailed.

What part don't you get it? Several Russian officials have already stated their desire to re-create the Russian Empire, with it's old borders.
Whether they can achieve that goal is a different matter, that in great deal depends on how the west reacts. But the reality stands that they will continue to invade their neighbors.
And remember that Ukraine was not the first to be invaded. Chechnya was invaded twice. Georgia was invaded once and lost part of it's territory. Then Ukraine was invaded and lost Crimea. And now Ukraine was invaded again, and risks losing more territory.
And little by little, Russia is actually growing it's borders.

 

[Liljagare]

The people who say Ukraine must take back Crimea or else Russia will take over Poland, etc, are the same people who mock Russia's military capabilities. Which one is it?

Russia couldn't even get Kyiv. They're not taking over Europe but they can defend Crimea and that's painfully obvious. It's a stalemate and they're fighting like it's WW1.

At one point the Vietnam war made sense - to halt the spread of communism. But after years of sending young people to die cooler heads prevailed.

Yes, ultimately it is the Ukrainians who are choosing to do this and I respect that, however that choice is not made alone. Their decision to continue fighting is very much dependent on support from the West. So we are involved and responsible to a certain degree. If we said that we won't support an invasion of Crimea because we believe that it would be too catastrophic then they probably won't. In regards to arming them earlier, without a time machine we won't know for sure. The same could be said about Russia if they did A, B or C they would have taken Kiev etc. The thing is we didn't and what's done is done. The Russians have built defenses and as a result the offensive is now much more brutal than it would have been. I don't see the point In hypotheticals, only the reality at this moment I
In time. The reality is that the Russians are more insane than people thought and we at danger of underestimating them as they did with Ukraine. Going by Bakmut, I wouldn't be surprised if they would take a million casualties to hold Crimea meaning Ukraine would lose 200,000 to take it and thats with a really optimistic ratio of 5:1. And whether people like it or not we will be part of it.

If Ukraine laid down arms today, and stopped fighting, what do you guys think would happen?

Putin has made his goals clear for the population of Ukraine, did you guys totally miss that part? According to Putin, they are subhuman trash that Putin wants to exterminate, for lebensraum for proper RuSSians, and somehow, it is Ukraines fault for keeping on defending itself?

 

[kurisu_1974]

We still had some Manchurians left that's amazing.

 

[sinnergy]

If Ukraine laid down arms today, and stopped fighting, what do you guys think would happen?

Putin has made his goals clear for the population of Ukraine, did you guys totally miss that part? According to Putin, they are subhuman trash that Putin wants to exterminate, for lebensraum for proper RuSSians, and somehow, it is Ukraines fault for keeping on defending itself?

Yeah Hittler practices.. we all should do everything to not let it happen again … history has educated us .. hopefully

 

[Nobody_Important]

The intel leaks from months back implied it was a forever war and an expert on CNN from a week or two ago basically said the same thing. I want Ukraine to win too but there are limits. I'm tired of hearing all about how we're fighting Russia for pennies on the dollar. We have problems of our own. There has to be a better attempt at diplomacy.

There has been attempts at diplomacy.


Russia can fuck off and give all the territory its stolen back. That's the deal. The Russians can take that deal at any time.

So what exactly is the alternative. Ukraine just keeps going until they lose a significant amount of their male population? Thats not sustainable especially given the news thats been coming out recently



This recent casualty figure is not at all good. Less than 2:1 despite Russia having nearly 5x the population. And it also really puts into perspective just how much Ukraine's military staff have been lying. How many times have they come out and claimed that Ukraine has 5x less, 7x less, and even 10x less casualties in some of the bigger battles (like Bakhmut). This is why you can't trust the propaganda that comes from them in the same way you can't trust a lot of what comes out of Russia. And since Ukraine is on the offensive, that ratio is likely only going to get worse in the foreseeable future especially given how dug in the Russians are in the south.

I know everyone wants to look on the positive side but eventually there will need to be a compromise, and yes there's a significant chance that will involve Ukraine giving up territory. But ultimately Russia tried to take over the ENTIRE country, and even in their best case scenario they might only come away with 1/5th of Ukraine's territory. So even in the event of that happening we can still view this war as ending with a Ukrainian victory.

The alternative is that the world doesn't bow to the whims of a brutal dictator on an ego trip. Appeasement never works. Never has. Russia can give it all back or it can stay at war. If Ukraine would rather die a slow death than capitulate to Russia then that is their right as a proud independent nation.


Its their home. Its their land. They have a right to choose whether or not to die for it. They shouldn't be pressured into giving up their own land and their own people just because it being invaded is inconvenient for the rest of the world.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Besides the Japanese the Russians were the most feared for their brutal torture and rape of women in WW2. German women notoriously took the brunt of these rapes

The Germans did atrocities of their own in their war against Russia. So it was vengeance too from the Soviets. Not a critic of your post, it will be a sad but obvious truth that those "soldiers coming back home" will cause a lot of suffering when they do get back in Russia. But WW2 was a long time ago and the situation was very different.

 

[sinnergy]

Just a side step , Russia’s moon lander crashed on the moon to bad they polluted the moon, but man does their technology suck

 

[winjer]

 

[Liljagare]

Updated numbers, thats alot of stuff.

How Much Enemy Equipment Have the Ukrainian Defenders Captured Since the Beginning of the Invasion: Infographic | Defense Express

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are successfully destroying russian aggressors on all fronts

en.defence-ua.com

 

[Lunarorbit]

The Germans did atrocities of their own in their war against Russia. So it was vengeance too from the Soviets. Not a critic of your post, it will be a sad but obvious truth that those "soldiers coming back home" will cause a lot of suffering when they do get back in Russia. But WW2 was a long time ago and the situation was very different.

Yeah I almost wrote that too but wanted to keep it simple. Russia used rape to terrorize the Germans; that war culture seems to be passed down through the generations and is still used as a common weapon today in their military.

Now the populace at home is going to be in trouble.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Yeah I almost wrote that too but wanted to keep it simple. Russia used rape to terrorize the Germans; that war culture seems to be passed down through the generations and is still used as a common weapon today in their military.

Now the populace at home is going to be in trouble.

Rape in War Is Common, Devastating, and Too Often Ignored - PMC

This month's Editorial discusses the unconscionable use of rape as a weapon of war and calls for more pressure to be put on international authorities to take concerted action and to make protection from sexual violence a central part of peacekeeping ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Rape as a weapon of war is not a Russian specialty, but one of the consequences of war, and it seems a sadly common occurence in recent conficts. But yeah the population of Russia will suffer.

 

[winjer]

The Germans did atrocities of their own in their war against Russia. So it was vengeance too from the Soviets. Not a critic of your post, it will be a sad but obvious truth that those "soldiers coming back home" will cause a lot of suffering when they do get back in Russia. But WW2 was a long time ago and the situation was very different.

The German Nazi and Russian Communist deserved each other.
They started WW2 in Europe together, committing atrocities in Poland. Then they turned on each other, committing atrocities against another.
Fortunately Germany has foregone such mentality and has become a much more civilized nation.
Unfortunately, Russia still has the same sick mentality. And that's why we see so many war crimes in Ukraine.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

The German Nazi and Russian Communist deserved each other.
They started WW2 in Europe together, committing atrocities in Poland. Then they turned on each other, committing atrocities against another.
Fortunately Germany has foregone such mentality and has become a much more civilized nation.
Unfortunately, Russia still has the same sick mentality. And that's why we see so many war crimes in Ukraine.

Absolutely! Both were cruel will hopefully be remembered as the worst dictators that the world will ever see. German, and Japan too I think, changed for the best in record times. Shame that the ex URSS countries did not all managed to do the same.

 

[Liljagare]

42 F-16's will be sent to Ukraine from Netherlands.



Now, wonder how far the training has gone for the groundcrews and pilots.

 

[Tams]

The people who say Ukraine must take back Crimea or else Russia will take over Poland, etc, are the same people who mock Russia's military capabilities. Which one is it?

Russia couldn't even get Kyiv. They're not taking over Europe but they can defend Crimea and that's painfully obvious. It's a stalemate and they're fighting like it's WW1.

At one point the Vietnam war made sense - to halt the spread of communism. But after years of sending young people to die cooler heads prevailed.

On the other hand the West stayed in Korea and pushed the Communists* back. South Korea, after a period of autocratic rule, is now a thriving democracy.

Pulling out of Vietnam... well Vietnam is still a shit hole as the Communists* won. Fun to visit, but not to live in.

*Who, of course, are not actual Communists in terms of ideology, rather just autocrats.

 

[BlackTron]

Absolutely! Both were cruel will hopefully be remembered as the worst dictators that the world will ever see. German, and Japan too I think, changed for the best in record times. Shame that the ex URSS countries did not all managed to do the same.

Note that the ones that changed had the shit beat out of them. Russia is asking for its comeuppance.

 

[Ironbunny]

Denmark also giving F16 jets for Ukraine. I'd call this still a rumour but fingers crossed true.

edit: Nevermind. Its was already combined in the 42 jets earliers? (If not it would be 61 total as 19 is coming from Denmark.)

 

[Rentahamster]

Not directly related, but a sign of the times perhaps.

Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into Moon

The unmanned craft spun out control before its planned landing on the Moon's south pole.

www.bbc.com

Russia's unmanned Luna-25 spacecraft has crashed into the Moon after spinning out of control, officials say.
It was Russia's first Moon mission in almost 50 years.
The craft was due to be the first ever to land on the Moon's south pole, but failed after encountering problems as it moved into its pre-landing orbit.
It was set to explore a part of the Moon which scientists think could hold frozen water and precious elements.
Roscosmos, Russia's state space corporation, said on Sunday morning that it had lost contact with the Luna-25 shortly after 14:57pm (11:57 GMT) on Saturday.
Preliminary findings showed that the 800kg lander had "ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the surface of the Moon", it said in a statement.

It said a special commission would look into why the mission failed.
The loss of Luna-25 is a blow to Roscosmos. Russia's civilian space programme has been in decline for several years, as state funding is increasingly directed towards the military.

 

[winjer]

Not directly related, but a sign of the times perhaps.

Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into Moon

The unmanned craft spun out control before its planned landing on the Moon's south pole.

www.bbc.com

Russia took the processors out of stolen Ukrainian washing machines and put them in their space craft.
Then it went into a spin cycle and crashed.

 

[sinnergy]

Denmark also giving F16 jets for Ukraine. I'd call this still a rumour but fingers crossed true.

edit: Nevermind. Its was already combined in the 42 jets earliers? (If not it would be 61 total as 19 is coming from Denmark.)

I read we Dutch will supply as much as we can, we have 42 to give, yes. But some might be for spare parts . So yeah could be close to 61.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Rape in War Is Common, Devastating, and Too Often Ignored - PMC

This month's Editorial discusses the unconscionable use of rape as a weapon of war and calls for more pressure to be put on international authorities to take concerted action and to make protection from sexual violence a central part of peacekeeping ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Rape as a weapon of war is not a Russian specialty, but one of the consequences of war, and it seems a sadly common occurence in recent conficts. But yeah the population of Russia will suffer.

I'd argue it is a specialty of the Russian armed services. Germany and the US (after Vietnam) don't use rape to systematically attack countries. It's an encouraged tactic to use by Russians cause they've completely "othered" the Ukrainians and pretend that nazis have taken over.

Its not an official doctrine but it's encouraged.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

I'd argue it is a specialty of the Russian armed services. Germany and the US (after Vietnam) don't use rape to systematically attack countries. It's an encouraged tactic to use by Russians cause they've completely "othered" the Ukrainians and pretend that nazis have taken over.

Its not an official doctrine but it's encouraged.

Did you read the link? Yougoslavia, Rwanda... Cruelty and rape are not a Russian specialty. They follow most wars. I hope that you are right and that this is not done on orders from the Kremlin. But I honestly am not sure about it...

 

[Liljagare]

RuSSkie tankers and trolls are going bonkers all over atm.

 

[BlackTron]

Russia took the processors out of stolen Ukrainian washing machines and put them in their space craft.
Then it tent into a spin cycle and crashed.

Should have gone for the model with the extra spin cycle.

Russia cutting corners as usual.

 

[Slicker than your average]

Did you read the link? Yougoslavia, Rwanda... Cruelty and rape are not a Russian specialty. They follow most wars. I hope that you are right and that this is not done on orders from the Kremlin. But I honestly am not sure about it...

Lmao. Comparing mass rape during a genocide to say any western army will use rape is quite a stretch.

Is rape common in war? Yes. Do certain countries/armies do it more than others ? 100% yes.

Despite the bad press of vietnam, rape wasn't even common. Russians raped more Germans in 6 months then the 7 years the US were in vietnam. Some countries are just less civilised than others. It's really that simple .

 

[Gp1]

 

[Liljagare]

Russian military correspondent Steshin, replying to the question how will Russians “reconcile” with Ukrainians, says they’ll do it “with side glances, knocking out teeth with the butt of a gun…Some will be cured, fed, & saved. Those who don’t want to live with us will get shot”.

Meanwhile in Russia: Sergey Mardan, who hosts a show on channel Solovyov Live, and military correspondent Dmitry Steshin, whom Mardan described as the best example of Russian military journalism, discussed Russia's genocidal agenda towards Ukrainians.

"Children’s shoes for sale. Never worn.”
Russian Telegram channel mocks the death of six-year-old Sophia Holynska who was killed in Russia's missile strike on Chernihiv yesterday.
The post has nearly 47,000 "laughing" reactions from Russian social media users.


PigSS.

 

[FunkMiller]

"Children’s shoes for sale. Never worn.”
Russian Telegram channel mocks the death of six-year-old Sophia Holynska who was killed in Russia's missile strike on Chernihiv yesterday.
The post has nearly 47,000 "laughing" reactions from Russian social media users.

Time to start poisoning Russian water supplies.

EDIT: To clarify, I don't actually mean this of course, but my level of hatred for the Russian scum has frankly reached the point where I'm not going to be sad if civilians do start dying.

 

[winjer]

Curious how when the war started, Russians would claim that Ukrainians and Russians were brothers and should be together.
That lie fell off very quickly, with so many war crimes, showing that for Russians, it's all about exploitation.

 

[winjer]

 

[BlackTron]

Russian military correspondent Steshin, replying to the question how will Russians “reconcile” with Ukrainians, says they’ll do it “with side glances, knocking out teeth with the butt of a gun…Some will be cured, fed, & saved. Those who don’t want to live with us will get shot”.

Russian Telegram channel mocks the death of six-year-old Sophia Holynska who was killed in Russia's missile strike on Chernihiv yesterday.
The post has nearly 47,000 "laughing" reactions from Russian social media users.

Good thing we have the intelligent people in this thread to educate us that it is smarter to negotiate with Russia. Where would we be, without them.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Lmao. Comparing mass rape during a genocide to say any western army will use rape is quite a stretch.

Is rape common in war? Yes. Do certain countries/armies do it more than others ? 100% yes.

Despite the bad press of vietnam, rape wasn't even common. Russians raped more Germans in 6 months then the 7 years the US were in vietnam. Some countries are just less civilised than others. It's really that simple .

I sadly don't think that I ever talked about western armies and that they would do it. Sorry if you believed that.

 

[Liljagare]

Inside the Russian effort to build 6,000 attack drones with Iran’s help​

Leaked documents show that Moscow is progressing toward its goal of mass-producing UAVs it could use to pummel Ukrainian cities.​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/08/17/russia-iran-drone-shahed-alabuga/


While russia has complete freedom to use drones and other weapons from Iran and North Korea to kill and terrorize Ukrainian families, Ukraine must never use Western weapons to attack military targets inside russia!! /S

 

[winjer]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/08/17/russia-iran-drone-shahed-alabuga/

While russia has complete freedom to use drones and other weapons from Iran and North Korea to kill and terrorize Ukrainian families, Ukraine must never use Western weapons to attack military targets inside russia!! /S

That is one of those red lines, the west is now considering to break.
After so many that were crossed, this one no longer seems so important.

 

[delirium trigger]

What part don't you get it? Several Russian officials have already stated their desire to re-create the Russian Empire, with it's old borders.
Whether they can achieve that goal is a different matter, that in great deal depends on how the west reacts. But the reality stands that they will continue to invade their neighbors.
And remember that Ukraine was not the first to be invaded. Chechnya was invaded twice. Georgia was invaded once and lost part of it's territory. Then Ukraine was invaded and lost Crimea. And now Ukraine was invaded again, and risks losing more territory.
And little by little, Russia is actually growing it's borders.

I get what you guys don't get, Crimea ain't coming back. Not even with the Top Gun jet... They're both losing this war at this point. Russia's invasion failed miserably and now Ukraine is gonna throw people to the meat grinder to get back 10 year old territory.

 

[Artoris]

If Russia can't supply Crimea, they can't keep it

 

[BlackTron]

I get what you guys don't get, Crimea ain't coming back. Not even with the Top Gun jet... They're both losing this war at this point. Russia's invasion failed miserably and now Ukraine is gonna throw people to the meat grinder to get back 10 year old territory.

You say "10 year old territory" like you're referring to the age of milk. 10 years ago is not that long ago to have taken land. Russia is a bully and Ukraine wants their lunch money back. That's their decision. And they want to send a strongly worded message "don't take our stuff".

If you don't want to finance their efforts. Ok. Thanks for your opinion. We choose not to let them go down completely alone. Deal with it.

 

[winjer]

I get what you guys don't get, Crimea ain't coming back. Not even with the Top Gun jet... They're both losing this war at this point. Russia's invasion failed miserably and now Ukraine is gonna throw people to the meat grinder to get back 10 year old territory.

Russia is claiming that Crimea is theirs now, because it was a part of Russia 80 years ago. And before that it belonged to Turkish Tartars.
And you think 9 years matters. That is non-sense.