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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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DaciaJC

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Russia's focus on quantity over quality leaves it with enough tanks for another 3 years of war – report
Russia has lost more than 3,000 tanks during the war in Ukraine, but has enough armoured vehicles of lower quality in stock to replace them and could potentially withstand another three years of heavy losses. This has been stated in the report Military Balance by the International Institute for Strategic Studies, based in London.

Source: Reuters with reference to the report

Quote: "Moscow has been able to trade quality for quantity though, by pulling thousands of older tanks out of storage at a rate that may, at times, have reached 90 tanks per month."

Details: The report noted that Ukraine had also suffered significant losses since the invasion began in February 2022, but Western military supplies have allowed it to maintain its stockpile while improving its quality.

Analysts estimate that Russia's stockpile means that Russia "could potentially sustain around three more years of heavy losses and replenish tanks from stocks, even if at lower-technical standard, irrespective of its ability to produce new equipment."

In particular, it is stated in the report that Russia has 1,750 main battle tanks, ranging from the outdated T-55 to the modern T-80 and T-90. Another 4,000 are in storage.

"The situation underscored a growing feeling of a stalemate in the fighting that may persist through 2024," said the report.

Background: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that as of 13 February, the Russian invaders have lost 6,424 tanks in Ukraine.

The Russian invaders have sustained monumental losses over the last two years, but decades of stockpiling during the Cold War have left them with plenty of armor still in storage, unfortunately.
 

Liljagare

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Bitmap Frogs

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My issue with that $$$ isn't so much the amount, but the accountability of where it is going. I bet there are a lot more chateaus in Switzerland being built right now. Not to mention the funneling of it back into the US political system.

Give us transparent accounting of where it goes, what it is buying, who it is helping. I'm actually ok with like a 10% "lost in the shuffle" amount so long as it isn't straight biting us in the hand. Honest grift and inflated pricing for goods is fine. I agree we are seeing a pretty good return on it assuming we are cycling out old ammo for new, old gear for better stuff, and developing new systems to need wartime requirements that will last past this conflict.

The money goes to Lockheed Martin and other military producers. Essentially the money doesn’t leave America, it’s used to buy materiel and the materiel shipped to Ukraine.

I don’t think you can build yourself a mansion with HIMARS rockets, but you’re free to try.
 

winjer

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Russia's focus on quantity over quality leaves it with enough tanks for another 3 years of war – report


The Russian invaders have sustained monumental losses over the last two years, but decades of stockpiling during the Cold War have left them with plenty of armor still in storage, unfortunately.

True, but that still means that Russia ahs to refurbish those tanks into minimal working order. The older a tank is, the harder it is to make it work as it should.
With Ru7ssia being as corrupt as it is, chances are most of these tanks won't get new optics, electronics, etc.
Russia will also have to train new crews, since Russian tanks have very low survival rates.
Then tanks need to have their own supply lines for ammo and fuel. With Russia using older and older tanks, that means more diverse types of ammo, meaning more complex logistics.
And using old ammo on old tanks is a recipe for failures.
The reality is that it's not as simple to just get tanks out of storage and send them to the front lines.
 

Lunarorbit

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True, but that still means that Russia ahs to refurbish those tanks into minimal working order. The older a tank is, the harder it is to make it work as it should.
With Ru7ssia being as corrupt as it is, chances are most of these tanks won't get new optics, electronics, etc.
Russia will also have to train new crews, since Russian tanks have very low survival rates.
Then tanks need to have their own supply lines for ammo and fuel. With Russia using older and older tanks, that means more diverse types of ammo, meaning more complex logistics.
And using old ammo on old tanks is a recipe for failures.
The reality is that it's not as simple to just get tanks out of storage and send them to the front lines.

I don't think anyone needs to worry about half a century old tanks
Remember a couple of weeks ago 2 Bradley's destroyed a t-90m tank by out flanking it and just shredding it with bullets?

Shits dire out there especially with this new aid package probably stalling out in the house. But Russias still fucked. Imagine putting north Korean munitions into a 50 year old tank that was mothballed.
 

jason10mm

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The money goes to Lockheed Martin and other military producers. Essentially the money doesn’t leave America, it’s used to buy materiel and the materiel shipped to Ukraine.

I don’t think you can build yourself a mansion with HIMARS rockets, but you’re free to try.
Are you kidding? HIMARS rockets cost $100,000 EACH. There are 6 to a pack. Plus the launch vehicle, transportation, maintenance, instructions for use. I bet its a LEAST a 2 million per pack quote from factory to Ukranian warehouse, probably 5-6 mill if it includes the truck. Add in some rush overheads, expeditied shipping, all the ancillary equipment, etc, there is plenty of extra $$$ to siphon off for the old homestead. I'm not even upset if the US manufacture upcharges the gov, so long as it is reasonable, there is at least some $$$ going to improving the factory for the next time, and the rockets do end up in Ukraine shooting at russians and not in some CIA stash somewhere for some secret conflict. Accountability.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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Are you kidding? HIMARS rockets cost $100,000 EACH. There are 6 to a pack. Plus the launch vehicle, transportation, maintenance, instructions for use. I bet its a LEAST a 2 million per pack quote from factory to Ukranian warehouse, probably 5-6 mill if it includes the truck. Add in some rush overheads, expeditied shipping, all the ancillary equipment, etc, there is plenty of extra $$$ to siphon off for the old homestead. I'm not even upset if the US manufacture upcharges the gov, so long as it is reasonable, there is at least some $$$ going to improving the factory for the next time, and the rockets do end up in Ukraine shooting at russians and not in some CIA stash somewhere for some secret conflict. Accountability.

Those rockets can only be used for us allies allowed to buy the launchers. If you think some militia in Senegal is going to show up with a HIMARS stash you’re very wrong.
 

Ozriel

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Are you kidding? HIMARS rockets cost $100,000 EACH. There are 6 to a pack. Plus the launch vehicle, transportation, maintenance, instructions for use. I bet its a LEAST a 2 million per pack quote from factory to Ukranian warehouse, probably 5-6 mill if it includes the truck. Add in some rush overheads, expeditied shipping, all the ancillary equipment, etc, there is plenty of extra $$$ to siphon off for the old homestead. I'm not even upset if the US manufacture upcharges the gov, so long as it is reasonable, there is at least some $$$ going to improving the factory for the next time, and the rockets do end up in Ukraine shooting at russians and not in some CIA stash somewhere for some secret conflict. Accountability.

It’s FAR more likely that the weapons are used in Ukraine to destroy Russia’s weapon stockpiles than for them to end up anywhere else. All the talk about weapons being misdirected and yet we’re not seeing the Houthis or Hamas using advanced weaponry.

These were weapons moldering away in warehouses, some destined for decommissioning. Giving them to an ally nation to fight off a historical adversary is using them for the right purposes. These weapons were never going to build houses or roads in the U.S. they were stockpiled to destroy Russian armor. Replacing them will provide thousands of high quality jobs and leave the US with newer weapons systems.

Letting Russia get away with Ukraine would lead to a massive loss of confidence in the U.S. with their European and Asian partners. Why should the Taiwanese or Japanese folks trust the U.S. for support when all it takes is some crazy old men in Congress to insist on no support for political reasons?
 

Artoris

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It’s FAR more likely that the weapons are used in Ukraine to destroy Russia’s weapon stockpiles than for them to end up anywhere else. All the talk about weapons being misdirected and yet we’re not seeing the Houthis or Hamas using advanced weaponry.

These were weapons moldering away in warehouses, some destined for decommissioning. Giving them to an ally nation to fight off a historical adversary is using them for the right purposes. These weapons were never going to build houses or roads in the U.S. they were stockpiled to destroy Russian armor. Replacing them will provide thousands of high quality jobs and leave the US with newer weapons systems.

Letting Russia get away with Ukraine would lead to a massive loss of confidence in the U.S. with their European and Asian partners. Why should the Taiwanese or Japanese folks trust the U.S. for support when all it takes is some crazy old men in Congress to insist on no support for political reasons?
And a lot of these weapons have a use-by date
 
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Darius87

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On the night of February 13-14, the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine attacked the large amphibious ship "Cesar Kunikov" in occupied Crimea, which then sank. Public broadcaster "Suspilne" reports on this, citing unnamed sources. Residents of Yalta, Alupka and other settlements in annexed Crimea heard explosions during the night, Ukrainian Telegram channel Krimskij veter reported, citing local residents. The channel also featured a video purported to show an explosion on a large Russian landing craft. This information cannot yet be independently confirmed. After the explosions, residents noticed helicopters flying over the sea.



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Liljagare

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Add 1 boat.

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⚡️ Russia shells Selidove, Donetsk region, killing 3 people, including a child.
12 more people were injured, including four children.
📸: Regional Military Administration


Overnight, the Russians attacked Selidove in the Donetsk region — they hit a five-story building and a hospital. Currently, we know of 3 dead, including a child, and 12 wounded.
 

EverydayBeast

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Moldova Says Crashed Drone Contained Explosives; Minister Blasts Russia For 'Barbaric Attacks' On Ukraine​

Fragments from a Russian drone that crashed into Moldova contained explosives the country's police said, as Foreign Minister Mihai Popsoi condemned Russia's “barbaric attacks” across the border in Ukraine.

Article here
 

Gp1

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I don't think anyone needs to worry about half a century old tanks

Hate to say this but a half century old tank still sports at least a 105/125mm cannon that can be used to assault infantry positions, specially if the other side is low on tanks, AT weapons and heavy artillery.

This kind of grind is exactly what Russia wants
 

Nonehxc

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Hate to say this but a half century old tank still sports at least a 105/125mm cannon that can be used to assault infantry positions, specially if the other side is low on tanks, AT weapons and heavy artillery.

This kind of grind is exactly what Russia wants
Good thing the 25mm APHET of the Bradley can make gruyere of the T-54/55 armor.
 

Meicyn

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Something to do with space?

A new Cold War for a new millenia. Maybe it’ll light a fire under America’s complacent asses and get us to take space seriously again. Nothing like an old-fashioned nuclear capable rival to motivate folks.

Hopefully this also in a roundabout way gets the House Speaker to unfuck himself via political pressure and put the Ukraine/Israel funding bill on the floor for a vote since it will undoubtedly pass, and he’s being an obstructionist little shit.
 

dotnotbot

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Two sources familiar with deliberations on Capitol Hill said the intelligence has to do with the Russians wanting to put a nuclear weapon into space.

This is not to drop a nuclear weapon onto Earth but rather to possibly use against satellites.

 
Yeah this kinda comes across as a "first strike" weapon. Use it to blind the enemy and allow you to launch your nukes at said enemy whilst their satelliate stuff is down. If nothing else it shows that Russia is not a friend of the United States, but then neither is the fucking republican party from what I have seen of late.
 

winjer

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UN says nothing as per usual, so hospitals being attacked and kids killed only matter in one part of the world. Can't work out what's more useless, UN or russian navy.

Yes, the UN has become a truly pathetic entity.
They complete ignore the war crimes in Ukraine. And the oppression of the Tibetan people. And the genocide of the Uyghurs. And the ethnic cleansing in Sudan. The bombing of civilians by Pakistan and Iran, in each others borders.
They even got Iran, to be a part of the UN's humans rights council, while Iran was doing a crackdown on women not wearing the Hijab.
The sheer level of hypocrisy is staggering.
 

Liljagare

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After A 12-Month Wait, The Ukrainians Are Finally Firing Their 90-Mile Glide-Bombs At The Russians.




Ukraine’s Ship-Killing Drone Boat Tactics: Surround, And Attack At Night.

Wonder when we will see it, after they go through the T-54/55's.

Russian IS-3 tank that could be the next reinstated vehicle was spotted (older info).



How Many Tanks and Armored Fighting Vehicles Can russia Refurbish Annually, IISS Analysis Reveals.

 
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