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[DrSlek]

When will those Alt-Morons learn, Russia is not our friend

Oh but wouldn't it be nice if they were? Wouldn't it be nice if we were friends with Russia?

 

[Htown]

seriously when was the last president to look like this much of a fuckup this quickly?

 

[Gutek]

Oh but wouldn't it be nice if they were? Wouldn't it be nice if we were friends with Russia?

They're white, too!

 

[Nafai1123]

Putin looks out for number 1 only.

And Trump looks out for Putin because of his number 1.

 

[Zaph]

Missile, sub and Taliban within 24hrs of Flynn crisis. Putin is not messing around at testing Trump for weakness.

He wants to embarrass the US and let the rest of the West know your protector is MIA and can't be trusted to help you.

 

[antonz]

Russia has been aiding Global Radical Islamic forces for a long time. ISIS has been a great asset to Russia in many ways. Russia limits its own threat at home by exporting its own extremists.

You can see the reports in Iraq etc. as the clear out Mosul and other cities one of the most common documents they find are Russian passports. Limit the threat at home by having them go kill Americans and others elsewhere

 

[Electric Eye]

seriously when was the last president to look like this much of a fuckup this quickly?

.W but he kinda had better handlers. The media where complete tools to him too because he didn't go to direct war with them.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

It was a reference to Trump's respond to Putin being a Killer. I guess I should've added the "/s"

Yeah there are a lot of people who jump into Russia threads who unironically parrot RT talking points to justify everything Moscow does in the world. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Dead Prince]

Oh boy. Can't wait for the WH to respond about this.

 

[MikeMyers]

God damn Putin is really salty about the Cold War.

You know in 2014 I actually had a professor who was from Russia and when someone asked him about how people in Russia view the Cold War, he said a lot of people there think the Cold War is still going on.

At the time I thought he was joking but after everything that has been going on recently I don't think he was.

 

[Toxi]

um excuse me

russia is our strongest and oldest ally

i won't hear any of this russiaphobia in this thread, or on gaf

unbelieveable

Neo-McCarthyism rears its ugly head again. Warmongering liberals blaming Russia rather than themselves. Vladimir Putin's actually a really great guy!

 

[NyMartin90]

History repeats.

 

[capitalCORN]

.W but he kinda had better handlers. The media where complete tools to him too because he didn't go to direct war with them.

W was as useful as wet toilet paper, but he didn't exhibit the kind of mental instability that Trump showed from the very first interview as president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...razen-first-interview-as-president-annotated/

 

[Twilight Princess]

They did that in Iraq too right?

Putin is a monster, he is going to use trump and throw him when he is finish with him.

Freeuse

 

[whitemex88]

Time is a circle, fucking us from both ends

 

[firehawk12]

https://media.giphy.com/media/4Dy1Btpt0qUZa/giphy.gif

Haha, so true.

 

[TiredofWinning]

.W but he kinda had better handlers. The media where complete tools to him too because he didn't go to direct war with them.

Nah man Bush wasn't fucking up this badly until his second term.

 

[funkystudent]

Trump: Putin is funding the taliban to fight isis. What a good guy!



Seems like Vlad is making big plays early. Maybe he doesn't have faith Trump will be there for long so he needed to act faster.

 

[kess]

seriously when was the last president to look like this much of a fuckup this quickly?

Prior to 9/11, Bush had a minor run in with China, choked on a pretzel, and revoked a couple of environmental standards. You've got to back to the mid 19th century to find a month this shambolic.

 

[Kin5290]

It's almost unthinkable that he wouldn't already know. He won't comment.

Please, like he's paying attention during his PDBs.

 

[sturgboski]

Missile, sub and Taliban within 24hrs of Flynn crisis. Putin is not messing around at testing Trump for weakness.

He wants to embarrass the US and let the rest of the West know your protector is MIA and can't be trusted to help you.

But Obama was weak, Trump is going to be strong!

But my economic anxiety, Trump is great and will fix everything!

But, they are both the same!

But why bother voting to stop the worst case scenario because I am not in love the Dem candidate!

I have been let down almost daily since November...

 

[CazTGG]

You know in 2014 I actually had a professor who was from Russia and when someone asked him about how people in Russia view the Cold War, he said a lot of people there think the Cold War is still going on.

At the time I thought he was joking but after everything that has been going on recently I don't think he was.

Cold War II: Blizzard Boogaloo

 

[qcf x2]

Putin will use Trumps nationalism against him to start another Cold War.

We've been in "another Cold War" for a couple years now. Trump was right that the US has been awful concerning foreign relations over the past however many years. He's just not any better at it so far.

Also, the danger w/ extremist stances is not cold war, but all out war.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I find it amusing how history tends to flip flop


.....I also find it depressing that we don't learn from it

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Goddamn called this.

 

[Ether_Snake]

History repeats.

Can you explain who are those people exactly, other than being Afghans?

 

[soul creator]

to add on...

full circle
poetry

 

[Nirolak]

Can you explain who are those people exactly, other than being Afghans?

Presumably: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

 

[hydragonwarrior]

That's a fucking a disaster. Trump is supporting the government that supports Taliban who have killed thousands of American soldiers. I guess veterans are not important anymore? right? I just would love to see how the right will spin this.

It's not like he really cared about veterans in the first place...

 

[Tallshortman]

So eventually the Taliban will end up helping Chechnya.

That's how history works, right?

Yep, they're just playing themselves.The caucuses remain a fuse looking for a spark. I wouldn't support it, but poke the US enough and I would not be surprised if separatists suddenly became better armed, funded, and active.

 

[TickleMeElbow]

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin has a Metal Gear somewhere.

 

[adversesolutions]

What evidence exists for the allegations made in the article?

What I'm seeing:

Russia is supporting anti-U.S. insurgents in Afghanistan — and through them, terrorists, top U.S. national security leaders say.

The top American commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Nicholson, stopped short of detailing everything the U.S. knows about the Russian return to Afghanistan in an appearance before a Senate panel last week. But he did confirm some lawmakers' accounts of what U.S. intelligence has established about the relationship.

"If Russia is cozying up to the Taliban — and that's a kind word — if they are giving equipment that we have some evidence that the Taliban is getting ... and other things that we can't mention in this unclassified setting? And the Taliban is also associated with al-Qaida? Therefore Russia indirectly is helping al-Qaida in Afghanistan," said Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.

Terrorist groups use the Afghan Taliban insurgency as a "medium" in which to operate, Nicholson said, as al-Qaida did before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S.

From what I've seen of the past five years of Russian foreign policy, we have

1. An intervention against ISIS, on behalf of the secular Syrian government.
2. Support for Libyan forces and the Egyptian government against extremist Islamist forces, in Egypt's case in the Sinai.
3. Terrorist attacks against Russia staged from Egypt (Metrojet Flight 9268), Turkey (Russian ambassador to Turkey assassinated in a television studio) and military attacks from or cold clashes with Turkey (Turkish downing of Russian Sukhoi Su-24M)
4. Ongoing alliance with Iran

Amid this, yes Russia has aided Hezbollah which is a political and military organization with religion as an ideological pillar. Iran is also of course an Islamic state. However, the common thread to their interventions in the mid-east has been real-politik, often on behalf of secular regimes and aimed at shoring up their sphere of influence.

So why would they support Islamic insurgents in Afghanistan and what is the evidence for it? It would be right on their doorstep. Are there any other articles besides this that lay out the evidence in more detail?

 

[Spiral Insanity]

The timing of this is a little convenient, no? 'See? We're not on speaking terms with Russia!' But it's NPR, so... nevermind.

 

[Buckle]

Loving it.

(well, exposing all this crap that is)

Putin's lifted sanctions keep slipping further and further away.

 

[MadJackChurchill]

Your point being? Arming the Taliban will only further destabilize Afghanistan to the bring of another civil war, exactly the types of conditions that bred ISIS in the first place. Can't just "But America!" and pretend like we're okay with everything.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but that's how Russian foreign policy operates. They commit horrendous violations of numerous international conventions and laws, and then say "but America!"

Watch RT. It's astounding.

 

[entremet]

Dejavú?

 

[S-Wind]

Didn't some dumbass American politicians virtually create, arm, and train some Afghans for the sole purpose of fighting The Soviets???

I think they were called the Taliban, or something....

 

[Madness]

This is why I'm sitting here going butwhy.gif

Russia has as much to lose as anyone with radical Islamic governments close by.

I get that they're trying to poke at NATO a bit but this could backfire pretty badly. Also, I'm shocked they found someone in the Taliban willing to listen to the Russians...that's like the US supporting the Viet Cong or something.

Clearly you didn't follow the Chechen war in the 90's. Russia slaughtered tens of thousands like it was nothing. Why would Russia care? Everything happening right now is like Stalin and Khruschev's wet dream. The Russians hacked and pretty much cost a US candidate the election, they were in cahoots with the National Security Adviser who lied to the US Vice President. Think of Kissinger hiding something from Agnew or Gerald Ford and colluding with the Soviets. They have pretty much effectively neutered NATO to the point where the US President openly says it is obsolete and not needed. They have rapidly developed newer and better cruise and ballistic missle technology, they have restarted long range bomber flights near Japan and Alaska, right now there are rumors they have spy ships near US water. They annexed the Crimea and the US President is warring with the Senate Armed Services subcommittee chairman saying sanctions not needed. Now they are funding anti-US forces in Syria, Iran, Aghanistan much like the US funded anti-Soviet forces in the 70's and 80's.

Russia is clearly sitting on top right now. Funding islamic insurgents won't mean much. They have just killed hundreds to thousands of civilians and anti-Assad rebels under the guise of fighting ISIS in Syria and nothing happened. When Turkey shot down their jet, they forced Turkey to apologize and then when their ambassador just killed, they recently did a strike that killed 3 Turkish soldiers and wounded over a dozen more. And no one cares. What is going on. The Secretary of State is a good friend of Putin with ties to the Russian oil ans gas industry.

 

[JC Lately]

 

[Sunster]

Clearly you didn't follow the Chechen war in the 90's. Russia slaughtered tens of thousands like it was nothing. Why would Russia care? Everything happening right now is like Stalin and Khruschev's wet dream. The Russians hacked and pretty much cost a US candidate the election, they were in cahoots with the National Security Adviser who lied to the US Vice President. Think of Kissinger hiding something from Agnew or Gerald Ford and colluding with the Soviets. They have pretty much effectively neutered NATO to the point where the US President openly says it is obsolete and not needed. They have rapidly developed newer and better cruise and ballistic missle technology, they have restarted long range bomber flights near Japan and Alaska, right now there are rumors they have spy ships near US water. They annexed the Crimea and the US President is warring with the Senate Armed Services subcommittee chairman saying sanctions not needed. Now they are funding anti-US forces in Syria, Iran, Aghanistan much like the US funded anti-Soviet forces in the 70's and 80's.

Russia is clearly sitting on top right now. Funding islamic insurgents won't mean much. They have just killed hundreds to thousands of civilians and anti-Assad rebels under the guise of fighting ISIS in Syria and nothing happened. When Turkey shot down their jet, they forced Turkey to apologize and then when their ambassador just killed, they recently did a strike that killed 3 Turkish soldiers and wounded over a dozen more. And no one cares. What is going on. The Secretary of State is a good friend of Putin with ties to the Russian oil ans gas industry.

didn't know Russia was thatttt bad

 

[gaugebozo]

This is amazing news, and especially important with our president's assertion that we should be friends.

 

[Mung]

Man what a reversal from the 80s.

 

[Majukun]

So WW3 should be starting any day now.

don't drag the world into this,you and Russia will have to sort that shit out between yourselves, thank you

 

[jelly]

Who else buys AKs and other Russian hardware. Scumbags that's who.

 

[Kysen]

Paybacks a bitch.

 

[4Tran]

Oh look, it's the original Great Game all over again! On the one hand, it would seem like a bad idea for Russia to arm Islamic insurgents given that they have their own problems with these kinds of militants, and there's no guarantee that what's supplied in Afghanistan would end up finding its way to Russia. However, it's not like Russia hasn't made strategic missteps before, and it not an unlikely turn of events. I wonder if it might not be tit for tat for the US supplying anti-Russian Islamic insurgents in Syria.

 

[onadesertedisland]

When will those Alt-Morons learn, Russia is not our friend

Russians are a largely white country. The alt-right is really just white supremacists in a different package. They re-brand every so often once they get the light shined on their true selves.

 

[kruis]

That sounds familiar.

How? The last time the Russians dealt with the Taliban they were fighting them - and losing badly.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Didn't some dumbass American politicians virtually create, arm, and train some Afghans for the sole purpose of fighting The Soviets???

I think they were called the Taliban, or something....

It wasn't dumb at the time. The Soviets were approximately 10 million times the threat compared to a bunch of armed warlords in Afghanistan.

 

[bonesmccoy]

So the Yanks support the rebels in Syria who are fighting against the regime and Russian troops.

And the Russians support the Tallybans in Afghanistan who are fighting against the regime and American troops.

Great stuff, guys.