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[MatrixReloaded101]

If this gen is anything to go by, the exclusives are the only real things that can take advantage of the full potential of a console's hardware. We've seen what devs can do on the PS4 already looking better than most games out there, just imagine how good they'll look on PS5.


Quality > quantity. It has Spider-Man and Demon's Souls, it's already the best launch lineup since the PS2.

Spider-Man MM isn't an exclusive title on PS5, it will also be on PS4 and Demon souls looks great but I would not call that a AAA title, we really have to wait and see how it actually turns out.

 

[FranXico]

IGN is credible this week then?

Thread is tagged as "Opinion" and even got a poll. Nobody is calling IGN of all sites credible LOL.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yeah only TF...

CPU, GPU, and RAM. Combined with the size of the box, indeed. That's also part of engineering, you know. Getting everything in a proper form factor. All of that together tells you the box is better engineered.

RAM is the same, GPU means tflops, CPUs are 3.5 to 3.8.

Do you honestly think when we do eventually get gameplay comparisons that they are going to look any different without using a microscope? Because I think you have a nasty shock coming if you think so. The differences are just too small - and you cheerfully neglect to mention the things in the Ps5 that are stronger than in the XsX.

And you can bang on about better engineering all you like when you haven't seen any game comparisons, but it's meaningless until you do.

The acid test of a video game console's engineering prowess is the way it plays games. Nothing. Else. Matters.

 

[Dodkrake]

Early adopters always get the shaft up their backsides. This time is no different, for both Sony and Microsoft fanbois.

I always look at a console after a year of life, when the next solid iteration of the hardware is on the horizon and/or a price-drop. Mostly likely a price-drop first.

Also, Godfall ain't a PS5 exclusive, shitheads.

Is it coming to the Xbox? Because if not, it is a PS5 exclusive even if releasing on the PC, at least by Xbox fanatic standards.

 

[ExKing]

So you just want him to be a relentless shilling fanboy and not say things how they are?

He should be genuine. He shouldn't change his tune because of the stupid fanboys pressure. I've been listening Unlocked for years and this is not his take. He's been excited for the Series X all the way.

 

[diffusionx]

McCaffrey is absolutely right. The Xbox Series X is a horrible product right now and I could not and would not recommend it to anyone who comes asking. It is obvious that Halo was a huge part of the launch and once it became clear that, yup, 343 is still 343, they had nothing to go on except for HDR in 360 games. So they want me to spend $500 to run 12 year old games with HDR and some One X games at higher frame rates. Yea... no thanks.

Sites like IGN are routinely accused of shilling for these companies, and with good reason, but he should be praised for laying it out honestly right now.

 

[Hendrick's]

Yes it is disappointing, but so is the PS5's. No reason to buy either console at launch other than wanting a new toy.

 

[phil_t98]

McCaffrey is absolutely right. The Xbox Series X is a horrible product right now and I could not and would not recommend it to anyone who comes asking. It is obvious that Halo was a huge part of the launch and once it became clear that, yup, 343 is still 343, they had nothing to go on except for HDR in 360 games. So they want me to spend $500 to run 12 year old games with HDR and some One X games at higher frame rates. Yea... no thanks.

Sites like IGN are routinely accused of shilling for these companies, and with good reason, but he should be praised for laying it out honestly right now.

do you only buy games made by sony then?

as you know there are more games that come from third parties than first party, no idea how you say its a horrible product just because the launch games aint there

 

[Hendrick's]

do you only buy games made by sony then?

Obviously. If you were to believe people here, no games exist outside of the handful of Sony exclusives.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yes it is disappointing, but so is the PS5's. No reason to buy either console at launch other than wanting a new toy.

PS5 has 4 next-gen exclusives at launch compared to Xbox with 0 soooooo

 

[diffusionx]

do you only buy games made by sony then?

as you know there are more games that come from third parties than first party, no idea how you say its a horrible product just because the launch games aint there

I say it's a horrible product because the launch games aint there, this isn't hard.

 

[Fake]

He is a huge Xbox fanboy, so what he is saying is very problematic. Can't deny people getting series X for using BC.

 

[Hendrick's]

PS5 has 4 next-gen exclusives at launch compared to Xbox with 0 soooooo

Only one of which is interesting and two of which are even worth talking about.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

You guys must of not owned current consoles if you say its a good launch. Both MS and even SONY with actual few exclusives, this next gen launch is wack. Im a playstation fan and unless you like souls games, I couldnt care less paying $70 for a remake thats gonna make me want to throw my controller at the wall lol.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Only one of which is interesting and two of which are even worth talking about.

Well obviously Xbox fanboys don't take any interest in PS5 exclusives

 

[DavidGzz]

Was Shadowfall and Ryse worth the console price back in 2013? Thats what I thought.

 

[phil_t98]

I say it's a horrible product because the launch games aint there, this isn't hard.

Cod is there, Assasins Creed is there, Watchdogs is there, Cyberpunk is there. Happy days

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You guys must of not owned current consoles if you say its a good launch. Both MS and even SONY with actual few exclusives, this next gen launch is wack. Im a playstation fan and unless you like souls games, I couldnt care less paying $70 for a remake thats gonna make me want to throw my controller at the wall lol.

You think PS4 launch exclusives were good lmao?

 

[Hendrick's]

Well obviously Xbox fanboys don't take any interest in PS5 exclusives

Only Demon's Souls interests me, and this Xbox fanboy will be playing that at launch. The rest is trash though.

 

[Portugeezer]

Multiplats are still important, if you only have a Series X then it's OK for a launch (which is not saying much).

If you own other systems, then sure, not great.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Spider-Man MM isn't an exclusive title on PS5, it will also be on PS4 and Demon souls looks great but I would not call that a AAA title, we really have to wait and see how it actually turns out.

?!? Why isn't Demon's Souls a AAA title??
Smaller in scope than a "AAA" game?
Smaller budget than a "AAA" game?
Smaller studio than what classifies as a "AAA" studio?
Or is it just because it is a remake it instantly becomes less than AAA, regardless of budget, resources and studio size?

 

[DavidGzz]

Man how can you not be excited about next gen. Day 1 we have

Both
Assassins Creed Valhalla
Cyberpunk
Watchdogs London
Enhanced titles.
Full last gen backwards compatibility.

PS5:
Spiderman Miles Morales
Demon Souls

XBSX:
Enhanced legacy games
Gamepass

All this in the middle of a global pandemic that has pretty much wrote off 2020.

Some peoples expectations are far too high. Last gen it was pretty much Shadowfall and Black Flag then nothing of note till Bloodborne.

Amen, best launch in a long time. Sucks for people who only play next generation only games, I guess.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Personally I don't have a problem with what he said, the build up to this launch has been of the most underwhelming in my lifetime. The constant talk of older titles doesn't gather much excitement for me. Never known anything like it to be honest.

I'd rather someone in that position speak freely regardless if I agree or not rather than be an extension of a companies marketing or a suck up.

Next time he interviews Phil maybe if he gets a chance leading up to Nov 10 perhaps ask him about launch line up and so on.

 

[FunkMiller]

?!? Why isn't Demon's Souls a AAA title??
Smaller in scope than a "AAA" game?
Smaller budget than a "AAA" game?
Smaller studio than what classifies as a "AAA" studio?
Or is it just because it is a remake it instantly becomes less than AAA, regardless of budget, resources and studio size?

It's not on XBox. If it was, nobody would be claiming it isn't triple AAA.

 

[diffusionx]

Cod is there, Assasins Creed is there, Watchdogs is there, Cyberpunk is there. Happy days

All games I can play on my existing hardware. CP2077 isn't even enhanced.

Hopefully the Xbox becomes a good product soon, i will recommend it then. No need to consoom just because MS is selling it.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Cod is there, Assasins Creed is there, Watchdogs is there, Cyberpunk is there. Happy days

So the choices are

Buy an Xbox to play those games at 4K 30/60 with no additional exclusives

Or buy a PS5 to play those games at 4K 30/60 with 4 additional exclusives

Difficult choice

 

[mikefrails]

Exclusive games don't matter

Exclusive games don't matter

Exclusive games don't matter

 

[CRAIG667]

Anyone buying a next gen system on the strength of the launch line up is insane.
I'll be buying my series X for MANY reasons, the launch line up is irrelevant.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

You think PS4 launch exclusives were good lmao?

I loved Killzone, also the graphical leap from PS3 to PS4 was massive as PS3 was really showing its age with blurry textures all over. Even the shitty COD Ghosts looked like I was playing on ultra settings. So yes, getting a next gen to even play third party crossgen games was visually awesome. Now, I can either play Spiderman on my PS4 at an upscaled resolution or real 4K with RT that I couldnt care less about. We arent going from 1080P to 4K...its 2.5K to 4K...yeah big deal.

 

[Papacheeks]

Spider-Man MM isn't an exclusive title on PS5, it will also be on PS4 and Demon souls looks great but I would not call that a AAA title, we really have to wait and see how it actually turns out.

Miles Morales will not play the same on PS4. Post mark this.

The transitions from warhouse mission to open world is like 1-2 seconds through an animation.

Your going to have load screens, train scenes galore for PS4.

The better way to play it will l be PS5.

Demon Souls is 100% a AAA title. It's budget and studio size basically confirms this.

 

[martino]

Anyone buying a next gen system on the strength of the launch line up is insane.
I'll be buying my series X for MANY reasons, the launch line up is irrelevant.

don't make too much sense, please....
And i'm buying ps5 day one (and xbox series x later or never still unsure)

 

[Papacheeks]

Anyone buying a next gen system on the strength of the launch line up is insane.
I'll be buying my series X for MANY reasons, the launch line up is irrelevant.

Launch is not mitigated to only November? Launch to me is first couple months. Expect Ratchet, GT7 to be within the first couple months of 2021.

There are people in the know on the other forum who literally are teasing the first 6-12 months as being the best launch year Sony has ever had.

Bookmark this as well. First 6-12 months of this launch is going to be insane.

 

[FranXico]

Launch is not mitigated to only November? Launch to me is first couple months. Expect Ratchet, GT7 to be within the first couple months of 2021.

There are people in the know on the other forum who literally are teasing the first 6-12 months as being the best launch year Sony has ever had.

Bookmark this as well. First 6-12 months of this launch is going to be insane.

People often make the distinction between launch and launch window. R&C was confirmed as a launch window game. I would guess February, maybe March. As for GT7, nobody dared to confirm anything. Don't count on it arriving so soon LOL.

 

[R3claimer117]

Lol I hope you all have this same level of standards for Ryan when he saids some pro Xbox in the future and not only when he's supplying fud for console wars.

 

[Deleted member 740922]

Thread is tagged as "Opinion" and even got a poll. Nobody is calling IGN of all sites credible LOL.

Seems odd even publicising them then, but whatever.

 

[Drewpee]

Salient point. They seem to be intent on disseminating their games to every possible console.. i imagine some people are just gonna want good games on a good system.. when i realised that I'll be able to play every xBox game on my computer, any residual interest i ever held in getting an xsx just vanished in smoke~

This is a trend that Sony is quickly catching up on as well. The only manufacturer with console exclusives at the end of the new generation will be Nintendo.

I agree though, the trend is definitely pushing me toward investing in a great PC and enjoying the best of all worlds on one platform.

 

[Hendrick's]

Man how can you not be excited about next gen. Day 1 we have

Both
Assassins Creed Valhalla
Cyberpunk
Watchdogs London
Enhanced titles.
Full last gen backwards compatibility.

PS5:
Spiderman Miles Morales
Demon Souls

XBSX:
Enhanced legacy games
Gamepass

All this in the middle of a global pandemic that has pretty much wrote off 2020.

Some peoples expectations are far too high. Last gen it was pretty much Shadowfall and Black Flag then nothing of note till Bloodborne.

Tetris Effect: Connected has me most excited. Out of those you listed, only Cyberpunk and Demon's Souls are a must buy for me.

IGN is credible this week then?

It's funny how fast something becomes credible when they are negative about Xbox or positive about PlayStation.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Miles Morales will not play the same on PS4. Post mark this.

The transitions from warhouse mission to open world is like 1-2 seconds through an animation.

Your going to have load screens, train scenes galore for PS4.

The better way to play it will l be PS5.

Demon Souls is 100% a AAA title. It's budget and studio size basically confirms this.

I don't see your point, load times will be fast on both next gen consoles when playing older titles. Just because it will load faster those not make it a "different" game.

Demon Souls isn't going to sell or gain interest like God of War, Last of us or even Horizon Zero Dawn plus demon soul games are not casual friendly, I personally would not put demon souls in the same category as those games but to each his own. Like I said before, the game looks great and we will see how it turns out but I would not buy a PS5 just to play that vs something like God of War Ragnarok.

Also I have both consoles on pre-order so I don't want to hear any "fanboy" nonsense

 

[Papacheeks]

People often make the distinction between launch and launch window. R&C was confirmed as a launch window game. I would guess February, maybe March. As for GT7, nobody dared to confirm anything. Don't count on it arriving so soon LOL.

I can tell you with confidence it is a 2021 game. There were talks releasing it in a Open Access type of state in mid-late December. But they want there to be a lot of content at launch (cars, tracks, licenses).

Again bookmark this.

After launch we will have a large state of play in December may get pushed to new year. But plans im hearing are December.

I don't see your point, load times will be fast on both next gen consoles when playing older titles. Just because it will load faster those not make it a "different" game.

Demon Souls isn't going to sell or gain interest like God of War, Last of us or even Horizon Zero Dawn plus demon soul games are not casual friendly, I personally would not put demon souls in the same category as those games but to each his own. Like I said before, the game looks great and we will see how it turns out but I would not buy a PS5 just to play that vs something like God of War Ragnarok.

Also I have both consoles on pre-order so I don't want to hear any "fanboy" nonsense

Do you ignore whats been going on? Demons souls has almost as much interest as MM if you go by sales metrics on amazon, bestbuy ect.

Demons souls not selling well when it's advertised as a big launch title? You obviously have no clue. Who would have thought a shit game like Knack or Killzone shadow fall would sell millions? Reason why? It was a launch title. People want demons souls. It's just the game doesn't interest you which is totally fine.

But souls like games have been doing well and demons souls is the grandfather of all those. The millions upon millions of reactions on youtube for that game would say you are underestimating it's popularity and selling power.

I have a gaming PC with newly bought gamepass sub, with a PS5 preordered I'm fine. In terms of software I skew more towards Sony. They just make what I enjoy for the most part.

 

[PaNaMa]

I get your point, but you should get why a console that acts as a PC upgrade might upset console players which expect, shock, the console model where new HW has been games pushing it and not like buying a new GPU on a PC?

I get the expectation of "new console, new games". And I agree it's disappointing the way this next gen is starting. But I'm happy enough that these new consoles will dramatically change the game play experience for so many existing games, like 4K 60 mode in Destiny 2, etc. The massive hardware upgrade really is enough for me.

We also have to understand the reason there are not many new games at launch isn't just Microsoft's fault. Games as a service, free to play models, giant install bases.... what is the motivation for these big publishers to create "only on next gen" games, out of the gate? Should Respawn have launched Apex Legends 2 that can only run on Series X and PS5? And just...quit development on Apex 1? Or does it make more sense to just support Apex on newer hardware and give better framerates and graphical options?
Destiny 2, same question? Fortnight, PubG, COD, same question.... I personally think many developers of these types of games just are not highly motivated to create sequels that only run on new hardware, and sort of abandon their present cash cows.

Anyways it doesn't bother me *much* that new xbox doesn't have a new game that can only be played on new xbox.

 

[Drewpee]

Executive editor at IGN and Xbox guru Ryan McCaffrey said that he is dissapointed and letdown by Xbox Series X|S launch line up, when this was brought into discussion in the latest Unlocked podcast.

Xbox Series X Launch Lineup Reactions – Unlocked 466 - IGN

Say hi to special guest Cam 'The Cinephile Guy' Hawkins!

www.ign.com

Link to streamable:


Edit: linking to source instead of twitter.

Edit 2: added a poll, as someone requested.

To be fair he is not wrong. They put all their chips in the Halo basket and couldn't come through. Luckily they had a $7.5 bandaid.

 

[diffusionx]

Lol I hope you all have this same level of standards for Ryan when he saids some pro Xbox in the future and not only when he's supplying fud for console wars.

If the Xbox deserves the pro Xbox talk then sure.

I know people here are focused on console war but I'm not. Just if these are good products or not. Xbox is an abomination, PS5 is a Demon Soul machine, which may be enough for some. I'm holding off.

 

[phil_t98]

All games I can play on my existing hardware. CP2077 isn't even enhanced.

Hopefully the Xbox becomes a good product soon, i will recommend it then. No need to consoom just because MS is selling it.

there are enhancements coming to the series X version. that was the first game they announced smart upgrade or what ever its called

 

[Rolla]

MS does not have a single next gen exclusive system seller at launch and Sony only has DS.
Pretty desolate on both fronts imho.

This is not how marketing works...

Us core gamers know that Sackboy, Ratchet, Horizon, etc etc are cross gen games. However, Sony will showcase PS5 versions and refer to said games as "PS5" games/exclusives. The market will gravitate to that argument as an incentive and reason to buy into the PS5. XBSX's problem is that it can't match that IP argument. Also the reported mismanagement of Halo turned the biggest IP in their history as a platform, into a meme to be ridiculed. Which pulled their marquee francise from the SX release window.

It's not about the quality of the games. It's not even about exclusives. At this very specific point in time it's about making a pitch to a broad audience and XBOX hasn't even begun writing the script in terms of traditional marketing. So their focus is old games/BC. How effective that will be in the face of PS5's mind share remains to be seen. But I surmise that this argument of last gen games is pushing people towards a PS5 purchase. Obviously my assumptions are based on what I'm seeing on social media and the comparison in metrics when PS5 drops a picture/vid. Think about it this way...

The PS4 teardown vid which was removed and then put back on youtube amassed 1.7 million views in 3 years
THe PS5 teardown released 2 weeks ago amassed 8.8 million views in two weeks

If I compare the XBSX teardown (I think DF is their highest viewed teardown vid) the numbers in comparison could cause contention so I wont. But the contrast in interest/views does, in my opinion, point to one example of the stark contrast in momentum.

 

[Papacheeks]

If the Xbox deserves the pro Xbox talk then sure.

I know people here are focused on console war but I'm not. Just if these are good products or not. Xbox is an abomination, PS5 is a Demon Soul machine, which may be enough for some. I'm holding off.

Thats the smart choice. I just happen to get lucky and get a preorder in, and am waiting because I'm building a new PC next spring with all new cpu,gpu, storage might by a 120hz 4k panel, unsure on that as I already have a 1440p 165hz monitor.

But I'm also selling my Motorcycle to a friend next spring as well to buy a cruiser.

PS5 will just help me play some games and enjoy the winter as our winters are something out of a horror movie lol.

 

[phil_t98]

So the choices are

Buy an Xbox to play those games at 4K 30/60 with no additional exclusives

Or buy a PS5 to play those games at 4K 30/60 with 4 additional exclusives

Difficult choice

that's day one, how about over the gen? do you buy a consoles just for day one games?

 

[ZywyPL]

Destiny 2, same question? Fortnight, PubG, COD, same question.... I personally think many developers of these types of games just are not highly motivated to create sequels that only run on new hardware, and sort of abandon their present cash cows.

That's the thing tho, millions upon millions of people have their go-to, daily MP/co-op games and are not abandoning them anytime soon, a year or two from now people will still play the same Minecraft, Fortnite, GTA5, Destiny 2 and what's not, GaaS/MP titles are the most played games on the planet, it's just shows McCaffrey's ignorance or lack of knowledge about the subject matter, but like I said, he knows exactly what he's doing, a.k.a. generating traffic for IGN.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Medium is launch window. In that case you can add ratchet for ps5 too.

I wasn't impressed with Ratchet at 1st watching the trailer on my phone but then I went into bestbuy and saw it on the Sony 900h and holy shit did it looked great
Almost sold me on the 900h but the LG CX was the TV for me.

 

[wolffy71]

Neither console really has any upcoming exclusives that really excite me. Im more of the typical MP shooter fan, dont kill me. Cyberpunk is the only big draw im seeing either way.

 

[Based Department]

Same with PS5 nothing interesting, a remake of an old game and a DLC