Meus Renaissance
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Game looks so cinematic. I'm really interested, but I'm concerned but the talk of repetitiveness. What say you, GAF?
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Ryse: Son of Rome |OT| Are You Not Entertained?!
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Of the 7 Xbox One titles I own, it is my favorite so far. I sank 4 hours into it after the midnight launch and didn't even play anything else that night. The combat is challenging enough when confronted with certain enemies that it stays fun. If you like the fighting in the Arkham games, it's fun!
Just got to the forest level. I said God damn. If launch games like Ryse and Killzone are looking this good already, I can't wait for the 2nd and 3rd gen games.
I'm actually not 100% disliking the combat. It can flow pretty well at times, but it just needs more variety. I think might actually finish the game in one sitting.
I'm actually not 100% disliking the combat. It can flow pretty well at times, but it just needs more variety. I think might actually finish the game in one sitting.
from what have seen I believe that too. It seems that ryse was the easy target for many reviewers to seem as they have high standards and have a sacrificial lamb for their launch reviews.
Well... I can't say I agree at all with some of you guys.
I've now completed 3 out of 8 chapters.
It's terrible, simply terrible. I'm playing on the hardest difficulty available, and here's how you win:
Y,X,X. Y,X,X. Hold R. QTE.
Y,X,X. Y,X,X. Maybe press A to counter. Hold R. QTE.
...that's it. For almost half the game, the best way to dispatch enemies is to break their defense, get two hits in, break the defense again, then go for the kill. Literally the only variation from this strategy needed on the highest difficulty is countering every now and then.
There is a roll attack, though, which I'm assuming means that somewhere on the halfway point of the game, enemies with unblockable attacks will show up, and I'll finally have one other command to add to the game.
I've now completed 3 out of 8 chapters.
It's terrible, simply terrible. I'm playing on the hardest difficulty available, and here's how you win:
Y,X,X. Y,X,X. Hold R. QTE.
Y,X,X. Y,X,X. Maybe press A to counter. Hold R. QTE.
...that's it. For almost half the game, the best way to dispatch enemies is to break their defense, get two hits in, break the defense again, then go for the kill. Literally the only variation from this strategy needed on the highest difficulty is countering every now and then.
There is a roll attack, though, which I'm assuming means that somewhere on the halfway point of the game, enemies with unblockable attacks will show up, and I'll finally have one other command to add to the game.
I dunno. I haven't played Ryse, but if a game were nothing but pretty graphics and Batman melee combat it would get a low score from me too.
Also it's pretty unfair to accuse reviewers of having unfair opinions. One could just as easily say "You guys just like Ryse cuz you're trying to justify your new console!" and that would be just as bad of a statement.
I was just going off an above posters comment. Seemed from the trailers to be quite a bit simpler but I wasn't sure.
Also it's pretty unfair to accuse reviewers of having unfair opinions. One could just as easily say "You guys just like Ryse cuz you're trying to justify your new console!" and that would be just as bad of a statement.
I was just going off an above posters comment. Seemed from the trailers to be quite a bit simpler but I wasn't sure.
Agreed, finished this today, expected it to be rubbish. I'd give it an 8 overall, 10 for graphics.
I don't know I'm not even playing on hard and I have to counter enemies constantly. But yes there are enemy attacks you can only avoid by rolling. And yes its pretty easy, but it's not just about winning, it's also about trying to perform executions as well as possible and setting up double executions.
There's also perk switching, focus and burning eagle, pilum throwing, and volley commands to mix things up a little bit too. It's not exactly complex but it's not terrible either imo. It feels pretty good to boot, a nice sense of impact and momentum in the flow of combat. And of course being absolutely gorgeous in motion doesn't hurt.
CecilRousso
Member
Is it really a problem that reviewers set a high standard for games? Doesn't that actually help us?
Yeah pretty much everything Sessler says has to accentuate the fact that he thinks he's better at this stuff than the reader. I'm really not a fan
I found some overscan adjustments in the Ryse settings menu look at the bottom of the Ryse home screen, there is a button for settings
akachan ningen
Member
From reading this thread, it seems like the general consensus is "it's not that bad." Is it actually worth $60 though?
Don't you dare make that comparison.
CecilRousso
Member
They should put something like that on the box, now that they can't use the reviews.
"It's not that bad - 8/10, NeoGAF".
SlasherJPC
Banned
On the last chapter, playing on hard. I feel it's a fun game with some outstanding visuals. It's a bit on the shallow side but with a few moments to break up the pace, and enemy encounters that keep you on your toes it reminds me of a high production arcade brawler.It really isn't the most in depth game and it def has lots of room for improvement but I think for the setting and for Crytek first shot at anything NOT FPS, it's a good yet limited start. If they get a chance to do a sequel, this is where I would expect much more from them.
Brown Intruder
Banned
Spot on.
Haven't played Ryse yet but Kameo was fucking awesome.
Happy to do this game some good
I'll try and break it down to a few bullet points:
- speed.
People who saw the difference between City and Origins in terms of enemy speed know this very well, but to put it simply City uses an attack speed which is basically the same for both Batman and the thugs. This means that if you read the enemy movements and you start the attack first, the attack will connect no matter what: in Origins this didn't apply and the result was that unless the enemy was 10 feet away, his attack would connect first every single time. In Origins even the batarangs, which took precedence on every single type of attack in City, sometimes would get anticipated.
Here when you get hit it's your fault, because the enemies give you ample time to react and "announce" they are about to attack with visual and vocal cues. So the difficulty of the game isn't based on the enemies being faster then you. This ties to the next point.
-rhythm.
There is an intelligible rhythm to the Arkham games. The fights have a characteristic "flow" and somehow all the timing in the attacks and the counters feels right. Same thing happens in Ryse: when you get hit it's because you were spamming buttons instead of timing your hits.
You want the other guy's blood and you rush the pure sob with attacks and guard breaks, at which point the A.I does this: 1- starts to evade every single attack until you mix attacks up 2-while you focus on one single enemy to get to the damn execution, one of the others rushes for you and goes for your ass. At this point you are in a bind because you can keep hitting your target to make the white skull appear before you get hit, or you can parry the attack and loose the chance to get the execution invicibility frames, its bonuses and, let's face it, the non-quantifiable pleasure to smash the head of a guy who a couple of minutes before interrupted your 60+ combo.
It's a wonderful bait and switch system that pushes you to manage a group of enemies in the most organized way possible. It's a great satisfaction when you keep a combo going and then you get an entire mob of white skulls and you perform two double executions in a row.
It only gets messed up by the co-op system because the enemy A.I clearly wasn't structured to deal with two players attacking at the same time.
-enemy aggro
much like the Arkham games, once you get hit the game forces you to recover with evades and parries. If you get hit and you keep spamming the attack buttons, you get hit again.
Also, different from City, there's the fact that you basically can't parry two enemies at the same time, so when you get rushed by two enemies YOU HAVE to dodge. The A.I. again punishes you mercilessly when you don't mix up everything: attacks, dodging and parrying. It may not seem like much, but it requires spotless coordination and the satisfaction in watching clips of you taken from the upload app is massive.
"QTE fest" my ass
-enemy placement
in City you could put yourself in the middle of a group and survive with well-timed counters. It was (and still is) awesome because you feel like the bad-ass you know Batman to be.
In Ryse you can do the same and it's extremely satisfying to manage a group of ten enemies with timed attacks, dodges and parries without giving up an inch of ground. In Ryse it's also more challenging because while parrying/deflecting has the same large window of effectiveness that counters have in the Arkham games, the latter gets you hits for your combo and damages the enemy while the first only rescues you from an attack and it's up to you to make it count before another enemy rushes you.
The only problem I see here is the fact that you really don't have any crowd-control tactic outside of the focus attacks, and the focus attacks are clearly a massive advantage over enemy units (only bosses are somewhat resistant, and even they are not completely safe from focus effects) so they dampen the sophistication of the fighting system a bit.
In the end you always have to push an enemy away from the others and you have to evade repeatedly to mess up their formation and get yourself some room to breathe. Another reason why I say the game is more difficult and that difficulty is legitimate and fair.
-enemy variety
enemies are more mixed then the Arkham games (with the only exception being the last chapter of Arkham Origins). Pure and simple. Reviewers who said the opposite must have played on normal. As soon as the second chapter you are already at a point where you realized you simply cannot push the attack button more then once: you have to keep an eye on which type of unit is about to attack, since each one requires a specific type of action both in terms of defensive tactics and aggressive tactics. YOU JUST CANNOT MASH.
JordoftheDead
Member
That level and the one after looked amazing and had great atmosphere. I am waiting for them to turn up in the screenshot thread.
Giantbomb gave the game a 6/10. As good as Killzone: SF.
I wish people would stop asking stupid questions. Its magic. M-A-G-I-C
I perform it all the time. All I need is a chicken and a sharp knife.
Nah, tier 2 country and i'm not even planning to buy Xbone. I would love to playthrough it though ;\
Delt31
Member
It's def worth 60 up front and ebay for 40 down the road. Seriously though, it's been a fun game and worth the experience. It falls into the, hey it's launch and let me show myself what this thing can run. I build in some tolerance for games like this when a system launches b/c although it prob isn't worth 60 when compared to other games, it is worth 60 on launch week as it constantly impresses with visuals and it's actually fun. If it was just tech, I would say no but the story and atmosphere really does keep you going. Combat although repetitive does feel fun too.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Not a junior here so what's the next excuse to tell me why I'm enjoying this. Please do tell.
Not a junior here so what's the next excuse to tell me why I'm enjoying this. Please do tell.
2 thumbs up. This is a fun romp of a game.
Thank you. This fixed my screen. Some letters were off on the side.
Yeah, but the story admittedly shits all over real roman history and mythology; as do many movies, so that is not something specific to Ryse. I loved the production value, but the characters themselves were often on the cheesy side, especially the villains. Marius and his allies, however, were enjoyable. My biggest beef with the story is that it copied way too much from movies like Gladiator; some scenes are just rip-offs of scenes in Gladiator. Nevertheless, the game has some good moments
like the scene where Marius defends the bridge as last man standing, or the final scene.
I must be an anomaly, I am actually enjoying the fighting, lol. Granted, the game is too short for the fighting to get too boring. So far, the multiplayer is not bad, either.
likedamaster
Member
Having a lot of fun with it. I'm getting what I expected. Same with Killzone.
Steverulez
Member
I cant handle it! 'cause amazon has failed me and I wont receive the goods until tomorrow
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I'm loving it too. Funny how people liking a game bothers you so.
SlasherJPC
Banned
It's time to finish the game. Final chapter, here...we...go! www.twitch.tv/slasherjpc
mhayze
Member
That's brilliant - I want that too. Of course, I don't see Crytek doing that, but maybe one of the other studios.. or maybe get ActivisionBlizzard to develop
j/k - if announced, I'd like to see this game this decade
I was watching some let's plays on yt and I must admit this game is really interesting. To bad I won't be getting a xbox, but I do see why people buy a xbox for this game. the facial expression are very well done, the atmosphere and voice acting with the graphics really makes a difference compared to last gen.
in previous games on ps3 and x360 the realism would be destroyed by the (ugly) graphics, with next gen realism might be achieved because of physics and graphics. Ryse: Son of Rome does a fine job for a first title with next gen just being released.
in previous games on ps3 and x360 the realism would be destroyed by the (ugly) graphics, with next gen realism might be achieved because of physics and graphics. Ryse: Son of Rome does a fine job for a first title with next gen just being released.
lastflowers
Banned
Stephen King's novels aren't necessarily fantastic pieces of literature. Somewhere along the line he decided to not seek to push genres and make stories that warrant large critical discussion.
Does that mean his novels are bad? No. It's quite fine to enjoy his books for what they are. Ryse is the equivalent of a Stephen King novel to me.