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[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Because the masses, AROUND THE WORLD, don't agree with you.

The masses, AROUND THE WORLD, loved AHBUHDAR to the tune of 2.5 Billion dollars.

And if you don't see what you're "missing" by now, sorry pal, I can't help you.

Does that answer work for you?

But don't worry, since 3D ticket sales made all the money for AHBUHDAR, it'll be no time at all before any ole movie comes along and topples it's records.

Spoiler

<snicker>

Again, I'm explaining why I dislike the movie. You guys are saying it's a great movie without explaing shit. Saying everyone loves the movie, so you must be wrong, is the shittiest arguement ever. Let me guess... God exists because I can't prove he doesn't exist, right? ahhhhhhhh my world is falling apart!!! ALL THANKS TO NEOGAF OT.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

But the only answer I get is that Avatar has made billions and everyone loves it, so I must be wrong.

why should your opinion be the right one? obviously people got something from the movie that you didn't. you're not 'wrong', it's just funny how avatar gets people so riled up.

and i need to see that video of linda hamilton calming james cameron down. he sounds like a nutter :lol

and fortified_concept: i'm not equating money with quality, i meant it in humour - but from his perspective he ain't done much wrong and people love a good hype train, it always dies down in the end. i found the movie exciting - i'm not putting it above other films as some beacon of cinema, i just enjoyed it the (multiple) times i went. i can relate to how you feel; and im a bit of a hypocrite - after TF2's success i almost had an aneurysm.

 

[fortified_concept]

fortified_concept
OBAMA 2008

:lol Well, I don't disagree. Like I've said my tag is a mark of shame.

 

[RSLAEV]

Seems like some of you guys have a hard time seperating an artist from their art. You can be a fan of Terminator and still recognize that Cameron can be a douchebag too :lol

yeah I want to hate on Cameron because he's an asshole and Avatar is over rated shite but the man did make Terminator 2-can't take that away from him.

 

[GDGF]

Seems like some of you have a hard time separating a one-sided, pre-emptive cancellation of a skit with douchebaggery. :lol

Oh no. Cameron has a history of douchebaggery. Google James Cameron douchebag history if you don't believe

 

[Salsa]

That's completely wrong. Do all "average" movies make 2.5 billion dollars worldwide? Don't think so.

So, how many people watched it > Quality

Basically that`s why i dont like the guy, and as i said i dont like what he represents. But i guess that what im really disapointed at is movie-goers who praise this kind of unoriginal eye-candy, but thats not the topic here so oh well...

 

[Koodo]

Again, I'm explaining why I dislike the movie. You guys are saying it's a great movie without explaing shit. Saying everyone loves the movie, so you must be wrong, is the shittiest arguement ever. Let me guess... God exists because I can't prove he doesn't exist, right? ahhhhhhhh my world is falling apart!!! ALL THANKS TO NEOGAF OT.

Go back to your "explanation" for disliking the movie and turn on your brain. The answer is simple: every reason you have for disliking a movie is a reason someone else has for liking it. People are different, shocking.

Have these friends and family of yours called you stupid for having a different opinion? No? That's because they are rational, a trait you did not inherit, apparently.

 

[Anerythristic]

Wow, really?

Is that on Youtube?

I don't think so. I just remember it, for some reason. :lol

Billy was really hammering the movies budget all night. They had just got back from commercial Billy walks back out on stage and opens with another budget joke, the cameras go for a reaction shot. James stares daggers then turns red in the face and shouts or maybe mouths something. Linda Hamilton at this point is turned around in her seat staring at him and rubbing the back of his head cooing to him. :lol

It was on Entertainment Tonight the next show and shit like that.

 

[Masaki_]

Of course not every average movie makes 2.5 billion. Then again Titanic did pretty damn well. How much did that make? Leo was so dreamy mmmmmm!

You think you're making a point here, but you aren't.

What is this universal appeal? Please explain this... Besides the fact that it is pretty, has the 3D gimmick, and a been done 50 million times before sappy ass love story people can't get enough of?

Avatar is the kind of story that could have been told more than 2 thousand years ago and still be popular. It's timeless, like a greek play or Shakespeare. Not only that, it has been executed spectacularly, which increases the effect many more times. It appeals to our taste for the fantastic. That taste is usually found in children, hence it's considered childish and undesirable in adults. Well, some people, you included, lost that taste. That's why the movie could never be more than a sappy love story to you.

Oh good, we're having this pointless discussion again. Carry on guys.

Which is why I mostly lurk GAF. Forums are not usually worth your time.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

So, how many people watched it > Quality

Basically that`s why i dont like the guy, and as i said i dont like what he represents. But i guess that what im really disapointed at is movie-goers who praise this kind of unoriginal eye-candy, but thats not the topic here so oh well...

I think Michael Bay and James Cameron need to team up for the ultimate Holldywood blockbuster. Just think how much more exploision could have been in Avatar, The main that could have been made...

 

[DieNgamers]

Watching everyone salivating over this movie as if it was something better than a good looking action flick that failed at everything else reminds me what I'm surrounded with and that always makes me a little bitter.

What may that be? Oh, humans that enjoy different movies? I don't know, movies were always enjoyment for me, I can't really get upset on the matter. Music on the other hand...I still don't think of people with different tastes as creatures or things without their own minds. ;D

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Again, I'm explaining why I dislike the movie. You guys are saying it's a great movie without explaing shit. Saying everyone loves the movie, so you must be wrong, is the shittiest arguement ever. Let me guess... God exists because I can't prove he doesn't exist, right? ahhhhhhhh my world is falling apart!!! ALL THANKS TO NEOGAF OT.

Dude, it's not my job to go line by line and explain to you why I liked the film. My feelings on the film are out there, on this very forum.

Search and find them if you're that interested.

You are asking people to explain to you why they liked it. What's the point? I've read your posts on the matter in the past and you clearly don't like the film.

We get that and it's ok.

What would be the point of posting things I (or others) liked about the film?

So that you can continue on your "campaign" of being one of the "enlightened few"?

Gimme a break.

 

[GhaleonEB]

That just sounds fucking retarded.

.

The drop was for the best. Just aggressively stupid.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Oh no. Cameron has a history of douchebaggery. Google James Cameron douchebag history if you don't believe

That's wonderful!

However, this thread is about a particular incident.

You guys are too funny.

I think Michael Bay and James Cameron need to team up for the ultimate Holldywood blockbuster. Just think how much more exploision could have been in Avatar, The main that could have been made...

Bay has nothing to offer Cameron, considering Pearl Harbor was his attempt at aping Cameron's Titanic.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

You think you're making a point here, but you aren't.



Avatar is the kind of story that could have been told more than 2 thousand years ago and still be popular. It's timeless, like a greek play or Shakespeare. Not only that, it has been executed spectacularly, which increases the effect many more times. It appeals to our taste for the fantastic. That taste is usually found in children, hence it's considered childish and undesirable in adults. Well, some people, you included, lost that taste. That's why the movie could never be more than a sappy love story to you.

Yeah, it's really fucking hard trying to figure out why everyone loves this movie so much. I almost feel like taking the easy route and just calling everyone stupid.



Which is why I mostly lurk GAF. Forum are not usually worth your time.

Okay, so I was correct in the first place. Avatar is the same old shit with eye candy thrown on it. Executed masterfully with shallow characters, bad acting, and bad dialogue. I guess the reasons to love it are the same for hating it.

And I liked lots of horrible shit as a kid. Probably still do. Avatar doesn't even meet my poor standards apparently.

 

[Big One]

That's completely wrong. Do all "average" movies make 2.5 billion dollars worldwide? Don't think so.

Yes.

 

[ShinobiFist]

It had better not win Best Picture/Director over The Hurt Locker.

Hell no. That movie was horrible, and at times it seems like it was badly edited. I rather they give the Oscar to Inglorious Basterds. Up In The Air, is a solid runner up as well. I wouldn't be surprise if they give it to, Precious.

 

[Masaki_]

Okay, so I was correct in the first place. Avatar is the same old shit with eye candy thrown on it. Executed masterfully with shallow characters, bad acting, and bad dialogue. I guess the reasons to love it are the same for hating it.

And I liked lots of horrible shit as a kid. Probably still do. Avatar doesn't even meet my poor standards apparently.

See:

You think you're making a point here, but you aren't.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Dude, it's not my job to go line by line and explain to you why I liked the film. My feelings on the film are out there, on this very forum.

Search and find them if you're that interested.

You are asking people to explain to you why they liked it. What's the point? I've read your posts on the matter in the past and you clearly don't like the film.

We get that and it's ok.

What would be the point of posting things I (or others) liked about the film?

So that you can continue on your "campaign" of being one of the "enlightened few"?

Gimme a break.

Lots of people saying this film is groundbreaking. Just would like one person to explain why this is the case. I guess I'm selfish. If you don't want to carry on.

 

[fortified_concept]

Go back to your "explanation" for disliking the movie and turn on your brain. The answer is simple: every reason you have for disliking a movie is a reason someone else has for liking it. People are different, shocking.

Have these friends and family of yours called you stupid for having a different opinion? No? That's because they are rational, a trait you did not inherit, apparently.

What do you mean by that? That people liked that the movie because it was simple and full of weak points or that the points he considers weak like dialogue, characters and story could be easily considered strong by others.

 

[I should be doing hw]

I kinda wish they did do the skit now, just to see it bomb hard for laughs. I can just imagine the pregnancy reveal and then cutting to Cameron for a reaction who is looking at his watch and yawning. Cue nervous laughter from Stiller and then Cohen trying to do something 'zany' and failing. I love watching train wrecks.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Okay, so I was correct in the first place. Avatar is the same old shit with eye candy thrown on it. Executed masterfully with shallow characters, bad acting, and bad dialogue. I guess the reasons to love it are the same for hating it.

And I liked lots of horrible shit as a kid. Probably still do. Avatar doesn't even meet my poor standards apparently.

:lol
so angry.

 

[Salsa]

Avatar did some things, at least visually, whatever. And the story may be timeless as its been done a thousand times, so i give you that. But its not going to be even remotely remembered or groundbreaking as fucking shakespeare or greek plays. They are comparing it for Star Wars for fucks sake. Say what you want about movie/directing/whatever quality about SW, but do you really thinkg avatar is going to make the same impact/changes in cinema history ? People will remember the hype, the discussions, etc. Not the movie (at least not in its non-visual aspects). So the groundbreakingfutureofcinema part for me may be that this is the next step in CGI/3D movies, allright, but when this style is mastered by somebody else, there`s going to be a much better avatar. Cameron may have opened the gates to someone else to do a movie as pretty visually, but fucking GOOD. thats all the credit im giving him.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Lots of people saying this film is groundbreaking. Just would like one person to explain why this is the case. I guess I'm selfish. If you don't want to carry on.

Read some reviews and some articles on the making-of.

 

[wonkafest]

Are people really saying Avatar is good, because of the amount of money its made. How could anyone make such a shallow remark.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

See:

See:

You think you're making a point here, but you aren't.

 

[DieNgamers]

What do you mean by that? That people liked that the movie because it was simple and full of weak points or that the points he considers weak like dialogue, characters and story could be easily considered strong by others.

Weak is the word you are using to describe those things, right? Strong could be the word that comes to other people's minds. So things you see as weak may be the factors that made the film so appealing to so many. Can't be too hard to understand.

 

[Lolligag]

Lots of people saying this film is groundbreaking. Just would like one person to explain why this is the case. I guess I'm selfish. If you don't want to carry on.

Virtual camera thing is freaking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSqq7E3vPc

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Are people really saying Avatar is good, because of the amount of money its made. How could anyone make such a shallow remark.

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

 

[gdt]

Avatar did some things, at least visually, whatever. And the story may be timeless as its been done a thousand times, so i give you that. But its not going to be even remotely remembered or groundbreaking as fucking shakespeare or greek plays. They are comparing it for Star Wars for fucks sake. Say what you want about movie/directing/whatever quality about SW, but do you really thinkg avatar is going to make the same impact/changes in cinema history ? People will remember the hype, the discussions, etc. Not the movie (at least not in its non-visual aspects). So the groundbreakingfutureofcinema part for me may be that this is the next step in CGI/3D movies, allright, but when this style is mastered by somebody else, there`s going to be a much better avatar. Cameron may have opened the gates to someone else to do a movie as pretty visually, but fucking GOOD. thats all the credit im giving him.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[fortified_concept]

Weak is the word you are using to describe those things, right? Strong could be the word that comes to other people's minds. So things you see as weak may be the factors that made the film so appealing to so many. Can't be too hard to understand.

So you who are defending the movie for example, found the dialogue intriguing, the love story deep, the characters complicated and interesting and the story original?

OK

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Lots of people saying this film is groundbreaking. Just would like one person to explain why this is the case. I guess I'm selfish. If you don't want to carry on.

Dude, I've been on this board long enough to know how this works:

1) Someone responds to your "plea" for why they liked it and then you respond to them and no matter what they say, it's filled with venom, because YOU HATE THE FILM. You're not objective, not at this point.

2) You get more posts to respond to and the thread remains focused on you. Weeee!

 

[Count Dookkake]

So you who are defending the movie for example, found the dialogue intriguing, the love story deep, the characters complicated and interesting and the story original?

OK

The descriptors you apply to the various components aren't the only marks of quality.

Try again.

 

[GDGF]

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

I feel like I'm on the gaming side again.

 

[fortified_concept]

The descriptors you apply to the various components aren't the only marks of quality.

Try again.

Please expand on this. What are the other marks of quality for this movie for example?

i'm not sure what you want people to do - admit they secretly hated it?

This isn't an answer, this is just evasion.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

So you who are defending the movie for example, found the dialogue intriguing, the love story deep, the characters complicated and interesting and the story original?

OK

i'm not sure what you want people to do - admit they secretly hated it?

 

[Salsa]

:lol :lol :lol

im not comparing shakespeare nor greek plays with star wars, if thats what you are implying (maybe its just the curse words ) i was just talking about the examples he gave, and saying that its crazy to compare avatar to SW in the groundbreaking department.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Dude, I've been on this board long enough to know how this works:

1) Someone responds to your "plea" for why they liked it and then you respond to them and no matter what they say, it's filled with venom, because YOU HATE THE FILM. You're not objective, not at this point.

2) You get more posts to respond to and the thread remains focused on you. Weeee!

3) Someone actually explains what makes Avatar any good apart from the visuals and billions it has made... and then I walk way.


Hell, I think I'm done anyway. Avatar isn't good enough to be worth my time. I'm going to grab some dinner with the girl. Maybe while eating we'll watch some superior cinematography to Avatar, such as Zoolander.

 

[Masaki_]

Avatar did some things, at least visually, whatever. And the story may be timeless as its been done a thousand times, so i give you that. But its not going to be even remotely remembered or groundbreaking as fucking shakespeare or greek plays. They are comparing it for Star Wars for fucks sake. Say what you want about movie/directing/whatever quality about SW, but do you really thinkg avatar is going to make the same impact/changes in cinema history ? People will remember the hype, the discussions, etc. Not the movie (at least not in its non-visual aspects)

I don't know if it's going to be remembered for a long time, that's completely irrelevant to me.

hurr

No, really. Your posts were an attempt to make me feel embarassed about my opinion of Avatar by insulting it in any way you could. It didn't work, and it's not arguing to begin with.

 

[Koodo]

What do you mean by that? That people liked that the movie because it was simple and full of weak points or that the points he considers weak like dialogue, characters and story could be easily considered strong by others.

This. Are you going to disagree with this? If so, I would expect a thesis from you titled "transforming the subjective into the objective."

There's nothing wrong that you wound up on the extreme minority with this film, but it's pathetic that you're throwing out rationality because of it. I dislike that terrible TV show Community which everyone seems to be loving, but I'm rational enough to not be a condescending asshole.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

I don't know if it's going to be remembered for a long time, that's completely irrelevant to me.



No, really. Your posts are an attempt to make me feel bad and embarassed about my opinion by insulting Avatar in any way you can. That's not argumenting.

I would hope you wouldn't feel bad or be embarrassed by what takes place on a internet forum because someone dislikes Avatar. I just think the movie blows. Nothing personal against you.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Please expand on this. What are the other marks for this movie for example?

According to your rules for a good movie:

-dialogue has to be 'intriguing'

-love story has to be 'deep'

-characters have to be 'complicated'

-the story has to be 'original'

:lol

Those are some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen someone say about film or any art for that matter.

Like I said, try again.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Dude, I've been on this board long enough to know how this works:

1) Someone responds to your "plea" for why they liked it and then you respond to them and no matter what they say, it's filled with venom, because YOU HATE THE FILM. You're not objective, not at this point.

2) You get more posts to respond to and the thread remains focused on you. Weeee!

3) Someone actually explains what makes Avatar any good apart from the visuals and billions it has made... and then I walk way.


Hell, I think I'm done anyway. Avatar isn't good enough to be worth my time. I'm going to grab some dinner with the girl. Maybe while eating we'll watch some superior cinematography to Avatar, such as Zoolander.

It writes itself.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

According to your rules for a good movie:

-dialogue has to be 'intriguing'

-love story has to be 'deep'

-characters have to be 'complicated'

-the story has to be 'original'

:lol

Those are some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen someone say about film or any art for that matter.

Like I said, try again.

And then the other side's rules for being good:

-It made a lot of money

-Everyone likes it

-...

 

[Count Dookkake]

And then the other side's rules for being good:

-It made a lot of money

-Everyone likes it

-...

Unfortunately for you, no one has said that.

:lol

 

[ryutaro's mama]

And then the other side's rules for being good:

-It made a lot of money

-Everyone likes it

-...

Wow, you watched Zoolander and had dinner that quick?

 

[DieNgamers]

So you who are defending the movie for example, found the dialogue intriguing, the love story deep, the characters complicated and interesting and the story original?

OK

I didn't really say that but I could. Also I'm not defending Avatar, why should I? The story isn't really original but the setting is. The characters aren't that complicated either but in this case they don't have to be, in my opinion. I really enjoyed Avatar and was totally blown away by the spectacle of it. Pure Immersion! That's my take on the whole thing, nothing more and nothing less.

Don't you ever read critics that mention "bad" things about movies/music/whatever that actually are some of the reasons you enjoyed it in the first place? That's because we have different opinions, yay! ;D

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

It writes itself.

It does!

 

[jett]

This thread is one of those that proves that GAF is filled with barely literate dumb fucks

Cameron has nothing to do with this, you twats.

 

[Dead Man]

In general the concept of not letting someone present for fear of offending Cameron sounds wrong to me...

...

But that skit sounds fucking retarded. (satire)

Yep on both counts. Fuck the producer for worrying about offending someone with a skit, but fuck that skit sounds terrible.