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[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Wow, you watched Zoolander and had dinner that quick?

Dinner is being prepared. Fortunately for everyone involved in consuming it, I'm not part of the preparation.

 

[Salsa]

-dialogue has to be 'intriguing'

-love story has to be 'deep'

-characters have to be 'complicated'

-the story has to be 'original'

:lol

It is wrong to demand at least one of these things for one to like a movie ? mindblown

 

[Ollie Pooch]

And then the other side's rules for being good:

-It made a lot of money

-Everyone likes it

-...

noone said that.

what do you want, a fucking checklist? "oh ok, now i can see why it's 'good'"
obviously a LOT of people enjoyed it for it to make the money it did, and found a lot to like about it. you didn't, and it's confusing watching you demand reasons from people who did. that said, this thread is pure entertainment for a boring day at work.

 

[GDGF]

This thread is one of those that proves that GAF is filled with barely literate dumb fucks

Cameron has nothing to do with this, you twats.

I don't think this thread is about the Oscar sketch anymore :lol

 

[gdt]

It is wrong to demand at least one of these things for one to like a movie ? mindblown

(just dropping in)


You know, Star Wars has none of those either.






(and dropping out)

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Dinner is being prepared. Fortunately for everyone involved in consuming it, I'm not part of the preparation.

Self-deprecating humor...

REDIRECTION 101

 

[Big One]

(just dropping in)


You know, Star Wars has none of those either.






(and dropping out)

Yeah cause Luke Skywalker didn't have amazing character development and the dialogue wasn't good...oh wait.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

noone said that.

what do you want, a fucking checklist? "oh ok, now i can see why it's 'good'"
obviously a LOT of people enjoyed it for it to make the money it did, and found a lot to like about it. you didn't, and it's confusing watching you demand reasons from people who did. that said, this thread is pure entertainment for a boring day at work.

A checklist wouldn't hurt!

And thanks, I try!

 

[gdt]

Yeah cause Luke Skywalker didn't have amazing character development...oh wait.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[fortified_concept]

According to your rules for a good movie:

-dialogue has to be 'intriguing'

-love story has to be 'deep'

-characters have to be 'complicated'

-the story has to be 'original'

:lol

Those are some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen someone say about film or any art for that matter.

Like I said, try again.

Well, it's not my fault you suck at following the discussion. I just mentioned the opposite of what my criticism was for the movie because he said that what I consider weak points could be considered strong by others. I didn't imply a film has to necessarily have these features to be good. For further explanation read my post right in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20094970&postcount=76

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I don't think this thread is about the Oscar sketch anymore :lol

I'm just waiting for the adjusted for inflation brigade.

That's usually the next step.

 

[Salsa]

(just dropping in)


You know, Star Wars has none of those either.






(and dropping out)

i like star wars, but im no crazy fan. Was using it just to make a point although i do believe that it surpases avatar in all of those points.

 

[Count Dookkake]

It is wrong to demand at least one of these things for one to like a movie ? mindblown

I never suggested otherwise.

Why are you mindblowing yourself?

Well, it's not my fault you suck at following the discussion. I just mentioned the opposite of what my criticism was for the movie because he said that what I consider weak points could be considered strong by others. I didn't imply a film has to necessarily have these features to be good. For further explanation read my post right in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20094970&postcount=76

Nice backpedal.

:lol

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Self-deprecating humor...

REDIRECTION 101

Yes, I'm redirecting the topic so I don't have to prove that I ate dinner and watched Zooland in the matter of 3 minutes. Disaster avoided.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Yes, I'm redirecting the topic so I don't have to prove that I ate dinner and watched Zooland in the matter of 3 minutes. Disaster avoided.

petrol fight!

 

[jett]

I don't think this thread is about the Oscar sketch anymore :lol

Yeah just noticed.

Yeah cause Luke Skywalker didn't have amazing character development and the dialogue wasn't good...oh wait.

amazing character development? ahahahahahaaha

And the dialogue in Star Wars is mostly garbage, along with most of the performances.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Yeah just noticed.



amazing character development? ahahahahahaaha

And the dialogue in Star Wars is mostly garbage, along with most of the performances.

Padmé, NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[fortified_concept]

I never suggested otherwise.

Why are you mindblowing yourself?



Nice backpedal.

:lol

Yes I "backpedaled" 1 hour before I made the post you quoted. You're a fucking genius. Did you even read the post I linked too? I defended Crank for fuck's sake.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

petrol fight!

 

[Calcaneus]

Now I want Avatar to dominate the Oscars so I don't have to hear about James Cameron for another ten years.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Yes I "backpedaled" 1 hour before I made the post you quoted. You're a genius. Did you even read the post I linked too? I defended Crank for fuck's sake.

For the cheap seats:

The point I am making is that the terms you used to describe certain elements (ie deep love story, complicated characters) have nothing at all to do with some concrete definition of a good film. They may have something to do with some good films, but there are good films that have none of these components. Sometimes, even the very opposite of 'deep' or 'complicated' can be found in great films. So when you have some iron-clad checklist of qualities a good film must possess, please come back and share it with us.

The backpedaling is in reference to you jumping back in the conversation to avoid admitting that your subjective list of qualities is not in fact objective or at all nuanced.




And you are stupid.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yes, I'm redirecting the topic so I don't have to prove that I ate dinner and watched Zooland in the matter of 3 minutes. Disaster avoided.

Wow...

Ok, let me explain it to you slowly.

You said:

3) Someone actually explains what makes Avatar any good apart from the visuals and billions it has made... and then I walk way.


Hell, I think I'm done anyway. Avatar isn't good enough to be worth my time. I'm going to grab some dinner with the girl. Maybe while eating we'll watch some superior cinematography to Avatar, such as Zoolander.

implying that you had more valuable things to do with your time than argue with all the "unenlightened".

Then I said:

Dude, I've been on this board long enough to know how this works:

1) Someone responds to your "plea" for why they liked it and then you respond to them and no matter what they say, it's filled with venom, because YOU HATE THE FILM. You're not objective, not at this point.

2) You get more posts to respond to and the thread remains focused on you. Weeee!

And the fact that you are still here, responding to posts, proves point #2.

Would you like to know what you're gonna do next?

 

[Big One]

amazing character development? ahahahahahaaha

So you're calling a character who is developed realistically throughout three films not amazingly developed? Luke Skywalker was practically the only character in either trilogy to get some sort of stunning development of any sort. It really saves the films from being just average. With Jake Sully all of his character development was shown in this shitty "training montage" that gave no sense of realistic composure or coherence with the characters, and by then the movie expects you feel that way right when Jake and Neytiri have the most awkward sex/make-out scene in cinema history. It's like a bad Disney movie in how it's portrayed. Luke's characterization and character development all happens on real time and the viewers get to see almost every little thing that brings his character to what he is now. I still don't understand why Jake feels the need to stay with the Na'vi because Avatar misses this factor. Avatar practically skips the chance to feel connected to the characters in favor of visuals and action and I think this is it's biggest flaw. If this was a sequel to a film that established all of these characters it would've been fine, but Avatar is but a first in a trilogy of films.

And the dialogue in Star Wars is mostly garbage, along with most of the performances.

In the prequels, yes. But I'm not talking about those. Prequels are abyssmal in both of those regards.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

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:lol

 

[fortified_concept]

For the cheap seats:

The point I am making is that the terms you used to describe certain elements (ie deep love story, complicated characters) have nothing at all to do with some concrete definition of a good film. They may have something to do with some good films, but there are good films that have none of these components. Sometimes, even the very opposite of 'deep' or 'complicated' can be found in great films. So when you have some iron-clad checklist of qualities a good film must possess, please come back and share it with us.

The backpedaling is in reference to you jumping back in the conversation to avoid admitting that your subjective list of qualities is not in fact objective or at all nuanced.




And you are stupid.

Yeah, you obviously suck at reading. Everything you say have already been covered in the post I linked to:

I've said it before, I'm not some stupid elitist prick that shits on movies that are an easy target, I shit on movies that aren't self-aware of what they are. For example I'll defend Crank to death because it's a great movie that knows what it is: A mindless action flick.

On the other hand we have Avatar, a 2 hours and 40 minutes movie that tries and fails on everything but directing. Cameron being a dick with zero self-awareness thought he was creating art or something so he focused too much on badly written shallow characters, dialogue that is as predictable as it can be, a love interest that is extremely superficial and a story that is a complete knock off.

You took a post of mine out of context to try to argue against something I didn't say, you failed, and now all you do is purposely ignore what I'm saying to save your dignity. Lame.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Wow...

Ok, let me explain it to you slowly.

You said:



implying that you had more valuable things to do with your time than argue with all the "unenlightened".

Then I said:



And the fact that you are still here, responding to posts, proves point #2.

Would you like to know what you're gonna do next?

Yes, I want to know what is going to happen next!

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Yes, I want to know what is going to happen next!

dinner!

 

[jtb]

NEWSFLASH! People have... opinions. Some people like Avatar. Some people like Citizen Kane. And some people....

Spoiler

like both

 

[L00P]

That sketch doesn't sound very funny

 

[Count Dookkake]

Yeah you obviously suck at reading. Everything you say have already been covered in the post I linked to:



You took a post out of mine of context to try to argue against me and now all you do is purposely ignore what I'm saying to save your dignity. Lame.

You keep missing the point and it gets funnier each time. Thanks.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

NEWSFLASH! People have... opinions. Some people like Avatar. Some people like Citizen Kane. And some people....

Spoiler

like both

coming out of Avatar, a friend of mine said 'well, THAT was no citizen kane!'

we responded - 'have you SEEN citizen kane?'

*awkward silence*

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yes, I want to know what is going to happen next!

Ok, here it is:

You will either

a) continue posting here tonight and prove me 100% right about you being an attention hound

or you will

b) stop posting here tonight, in some misplaced effort to prove me wrong, and deny yourself the ability to continue to be argumentative like you really want to be.

Your pick.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Ok, here it is:

You will either

a) continue posting here tonight and prove me 100% right about you being an attention hound

or you will

b) stop posting here tonight, in some misplaced effort to prove me wrong, and deny yourself the ability to continue to be argumentative like you really want to be.

Your pick.

only two options?

 

[fortified_concept]

You keep missing the point and it gets funnier each time. Thanks.

What's the point? That movies don't need these characteristics to be good? Already covered. I explained how you took my post out of context and I proved I never implied that by quoting a previous post in this very thread where I say the exact same thing you're saying. Hell, I was even polite to you at first before you started being a dick about something you're obviously wrong about.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

only two options?

or he could try type out something that attempts at humor, which still satisfies choice a)

 

[Poimandres]

This thread is a potent mix of Cameron hate, Avatar hate, Oscars hate and Sacha Baron Cohen hate.

I'm disappointed that most of the discussion thus far has focused on Avatar hate/defense though. Let's get a little more variety in here.

 

[Count Dookkake]

What's the point? That movies don't need these characteristics to be good? Already covered. I explained how you took my post out of context and I proved I never implied that by quoting a previous post in this very thread where I say the exact same thing you're saying. Hell, I was even polite to you at first before you started being a dick about something you're obviously wrong about.

You seem a bit dense.

Just re-read my first response to your post. Think about it for a bit and then don't respond.

It will save us all another :lol.

 

[Socreges]

I've only read the first page, so forgive me if this has been said, but....

Why is everyone blaming Cameron? He wasn't the one that blocked Cohen. If people are extra cautious since they don't want to take any chance that Cameron walks on Oscar night, why would anyone blame him?

I'm not an Avatar apologist, nor a Cameron apologist. I just think some of the posts here are as knee-jerk as the response to the sketch.

Also, it all sounds pretty ridiculous. Cohen and Stiller are capable of a lot more. Who's to say this is 100% true?

 

[jett]

So you're calling a character who is developed realistically throughout three films not amazingly developed? Luke Skywalker was practically the only character in either trilogy to get some sort of stunning development of any sort. It really saves the films from being just average. With Jake Sully all of his character development was shown in this shitty "training montage" that gave no sense of realistic composure or coherence with the characters, and by then the movie expects you feel that way right when Jake and Neytiri have the most awkward sex/make-out scene in cinema history. It's like a bad Disney movie in how it's portrayed. Luke's characterization and character development all happens on real time and the viewers get to see almost every little thing that brings his character to what he is now. I still don't understand why Jake feels the need to stay with the Na'vi because Avatar misses this factor. Avatar practically skips the chance to feel connected to the characters in favor of visuals and action and I think this is it's biggest flaw. If this was a sequel to a film that established all of these characters it would've been fine, but Avatar is but a first in a trilogy of films.

In the prequels, yes. But I'm not talking about those. Prequels are abyssmal in both of those regards.

The writing is trash in the original Star Wars. I don't really have anything to add. If you think it's good then it's about time you lift your rose-tinted glasses and get some taste.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

This thread is a potent mix of Cameron hate, Avatar hate, Oscars hate and Sacha Baron Cohen hate.

I'm disappointed that most of the discussion thus far has focused on Avatar hate/defense though. Let's get a little more variety in here.

we got some petrol fight gif in there for a bit

 

[Branduil]

This argument is about as entertaining as Avatar's story.

Which is to say, not very.

 

[Big One]

The writing is trash in the original Star Wars.

How so? I really don't see how any of it is trash. I wish you could explain instead of spouting off one-liners.

 

[Poimandres]

we got some petrol fight gif in there for a bit

Oh, I almost forgot Stiller was to be involved in this alleged skit as well... I really hate that guy!

 

[fortified_concept]

You seem a bit dense.

Just re-read my first response to your post. Think about it for a bit and then don't respond.

It will save us all another :lol.

Your first response to my post was replied with this by me:

"Please expand on this. What are the other marks of quality for this movie for example?"

And that was replied from you by taking my post out of context and suggesting that I said something I proved I didn't. So who sucks at arguing here, me or you?

 

[Discotheque]

One thing that enrages me about Avatar is just how far critics had to bend over backward for the film.

I thought it was fairly enjoyable but that's about it. Not something I could go back to again and enjoy big time like I could with say Aliens or the Terminator films or even True Lies.

When you read all the reviews they basically say "Story and characters and everything fucking important for a film is dogshit. Oh yeah but it's pretty, very pretty in fact. Forget about the story enjoy the visuals"

I'm not comparing the films here but by that logic shouldn't Transformers have a 80 percent approval rating right about now?

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Oh, I almost forgot Stiller was to be involved in this alleged skit as well... I really hate that guy!

he can be tedious.

it'd be great if that sketch story turned out to be completely fabricated. yesterday the news in aus reported that madonna was set to tour in july, with $3000 'meet n greet' tickets available. cue 'that stuck up bitch! who does she think she is?' debate. then it turns out it wasn't true. oops.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Your first response to my post was replied with this by me:

"Please expand on this. What are the other marks of quality for this movie for example?"

And that was replied from you by taking my post out of context and suggesting that I said something I proved I didn't. So who sucks at arguing here, me or you?

:lol

Couldn't even do that right!

Good luck.

 

[koam]

So obviously, Avatar is winning everything

 

[ryutaro's mama]

One thing that enrages me about Avatar is just how far critics had to bend over backward for the film.

Whoa, so does it enrage you when game reviewers bend over backwards for a game that comes out to a large amount of hype and then delivers the goods?

I'm not sure why this makes you so mad.

 

[fortified_concept]

:lol

Couldn't even do that right!

Good luck.

I know most debate tricks and this is one of the bad ones. Acting all cryptic about what you "meant" to say to appear wise is kind of lame, don't you think?