Sadness uses same engine as Oblivion? :O :O
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Some sane arguments (some from wikipedia):rezuth said:
- One of the first games announced for Wii - the reason it got attention in the first place. Has been "in development" for how long now?
- Their main communication is through messageboards
- On April 10, 2006, Nibris released a video trailer "based-on" Sadness, though no gameplay footage has been released.
- Several teaser shots have been released by Nibris but none have been in-game shots. There were some rumors of in-game footage, but that turned out to be from the PC game Infernal.
- Nibris announced that a trailer would be revealed with "Real in-game footage" before the end of 2007. However, no such trailer was released.
And NOW they announce that they have an engine? An engine that hasn't been ported to Wii yet, certainly providing a very challenging task?
Knowing, that all this time they have been releasing fake info, fake "screenshots" that were found out to be from deviantart (although by someone who befriended them), announcing at least 5 (!) games etc?
I'd say you have to be fairly naive to believe in this "sadness" project - even if it is "real" in the strict definition of the word.
The engine is ported for Wii. No ingame footage says nothing really, why make a big fuzz if you cant live upto it? Better take your time and work on something good.E-phonk said:
Besides it can just be that they are now switching from their own made engine to the Gamebryo. Incase you missed it;
http://www.emergent.net/en/Products/Gamebryo/
rezuth said:
His other points stand regardless, particularly re. the fake/'stolen' shots, arranging meetings and not showing up etc. The way they've operated to date has been all very shady.
How much does a gamebryo license cost? I'm now indeed wondering how far someone would go for a laugh
Last time I checked it was around 150,000gofreak said:His other points stand regardless, particularly re. the fake/'stolen' shots, arranging meetings and not showing up etc. The way they've operated to date has been all very shady.
How much does a gamebryo license cost? I'm know indeed wondering how far someone would go for a laugh
Ok, there seems to be a Wii version, one argument down, quite some more to go.
1) Make a lot of fuss, get publications on major sites
2) Go to investors, get funds, license an engine, write out your paychecks every month
3) ?
4) Profit.
Even then it could be an investors scam.gofreak said:How much does a gamebryo license cost? I'm know indeed wondering how far someone would go for a laugh
1) Make a lot of fuss, get publications on major sites
2) Go to investors, get funds, license an engine, write out your paychecks every month
3) ?
4) Profit.
rezuth said:
I've seen VC money go down the drain in game development studios before. To an outsider the industry is attractive but mystical, so even if you watch with a keen eye its still possible for your money to evaporate before you even know it.
My guess based on what I have seen is that Nibris just announced their stuff way too early, when Sadness was just a fledging idea, perhaps in the hope of attracting a publishing deal. New studios without industry experience do it all the time.
rezuth said:
Their investors aren't gamers, they are people who aren't always aware of how things work. Investment fraud and gaining capital works by trying to get into reputable news sources, something that has worked out very well for nibris.
The idea is that IGN is a reputable company, and if IGN/Gamespot/Other major publications write about them, it must be legit, right?
But I won't fixate on my personal theory of what could be behind nibris. I think an investor scam is just as likely as nibris turning out a decent game... or AN INNOVATING GAME WITH THE BEST GRAPHICS EVER (c) NIBRIS (tm)(r)2008-2009.
Let's just not call GAF's scepticists "FAIL AM TOTAL" yet. Nibris has proven shit.
Because they would demand results for their money? Would you give an unknown game development studio money for two straight years without any result? Its about using your brain.botticus said:
You still miss the point. Who would give out money to some studio for two straight years without seeing any result?E-phonk said:
rezuth said:
I've personally seen a game studio investment of US$4m with no results over a 5 year period.
Typically, these sorts of invesments are being made by wealthy individuals rather than venture funds who would tend to do more due diligence and take a more active role on the board and critiquing senior management.
The problem with game development is that its possible to pour a couple of years of effort and money into a product only to find you do not have a tangible product to sell at the end of it or not being able to find a route to market. Very hard to salvage any value in that sort of situation too.
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Ramenman said:
Sadness uses the
engine.Don't recall those at all, could they not just used AOE to make a RAD version or proof of concept?E-phonk said:Remember, 2005 screenshots by nibris, of their Wii game that would be shown at E3 that year:
(ps: I'm not sure, but I think people found it these were made with the Age Of Empire engine?)
rezuth said:
I'm not going to share details in a PM either as it would be inappropriate for me to pass on the parties involved.
You can choose not to believe me if you wish. But I've seen it happen multiple times. The games industry has a knack for helping millions of dollars disappear either in the blink of an eye or via a slow, painful bleed.
You see I looked them up on IGNE-phonk said:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/694/694589p1.html
It clearly states below them:
It even says that they dont have access to hardware yet
Surely if you have seen it multiply times you can share atleast one of these with me.Mario said:
rezuth said:
I'm not going to pass on commercially sensitive information about specific individuals or companies, whether they are still a going concern or not, just to prove a point in an inconsequential message board conversation.
You'll just have to take me on my word. Or not. Up to you.
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Mario said:
Well, wasn't the Phantom sort of a scam? They found investors, didn't they?
EDIT: Wiki:
The Phantom has caused quite a bit of controversy in both the gaming and business worlds due to the constant pushing back of its release date and a number of financial scandals involving Phantom Entertainment. Phantom Entertainment has lost more than $62.7 million since its creation in its efforts to create the Phantom Console.[1] On February 21, 2006, the Phantom was delayed indefinitely until Phantom Entertainment obtained more funding.
On May 16, 2006, the Securities and Exchange Commission accused Phantom Entertainment founder and former CEO Timothy Roberts of running a "pump and dump" scheme in promoting The Phantom console in 2004.[2] Some game enthusiasts find the name Phantom appropriate, as it has allusions to the common programming jargon known as "vaporware".
That's very nice, but that was 3 months later allready, when the screenshots were allready debunked on the web as photoshopped gamescreens, and they changed their tone saying it were "concept shots".rezuth said:
Originally they claimed it were screenshots from the PC version of their game.
http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2005/12/04/new-revolution-shooter-revealed/
Mind the date, this is a 3 full months before the IGN article.
Since every game starts as a PC game is it really that hard to belive? Only logical guess I have is that they later on decided to say that they were just proof of concept. Which I already said before.E-phonk said:
Firsly that is Wiki, secondly its not impossible that the project got way big for them to handle and it eventually failed. They did release their keyboard that was meant for the console.ItsInMyVeins said:
Gizmondo was no scam, it was just a poorly run biz.Mario said:
rezuth said:
Well, I have had a couple of great conversations with insiders that have first hand accounts to the contrary, but I can see where raising that will get me in this thread
(I do at least have a limited edition Gizmondo and bunch of games to show for it)For those without such connections, this is a great insight.
rezuth said:
Ok, next thing, why aren't they on the site of official Nintendo Licensees?
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/licensees.jsp
Or why aren't they on Nintendo's official master games list, a list of all games that are officially licensed by Nintendo? It's a list of more then 3000 titles - including the biggest shovelware.
I'll link right through the correct page where it should be "sa..." : http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/ga...alse&rf=&nf=&pp=&sf=&ef=&sort=&sorto=&br=2220
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Mario said:
:lol
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The thread title should be changed to the forllowing:
If Sadness actually existed, it would use the Oblivion engine.
If Sadness actually existed, it would use the Oblivion engine.
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