SaltyBet's Dream Cast Casino Thread 2 - Always bet on DBZ

they really, really need to change the betting system somehow and/or do housecleaning on the roster

it's just no fun being below $1k at least now, too many people have stats etc. and there's too many millionaires making it impossible to make money from most matchups since there's so damn many 10-0's

it's actually quite an interesting example of how quickly these tiny subcultures evolve and then stagnate these days, as people have mentioned to me before. took less than a month to wear out all their own memes and develop strats...if this were even 10 years ago, we would've needed months to have this many millionaires!

anyway, i have to imagine salty is working on something since this could easily help kill the site. people want to see some kind of progress, not $1 from every match!
 
Josh the Funkdoc said:
they really, really need to change the betting system somehow and/or do housecleaning on the roster

it's just no fun being below $1k at least now, too many people have stats etc. and there's too many millionaires making it impossible to make money from most matchups since there's so damn many 10-0's

it's actually quite an interesting example of how quickly these tiny subcultures evolve and then stagnate these days, as people have mentioned to me before. took less than a month to wear out all their own memes and develop strats...if this were even 10 years ago, we would've needed months to have this many millionaires!

anyway, i have to imagine salty is working on something since this could easily help kill the site. people want to see some kind of progress, not $1 from every match!
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That's exactly why I like "close" fights, since people are less likely to put lots of money down the line for what amounts to a coin flip. Matches with unknown characters are fun because of that; I made a killing by betting on Doraemon and getting ridiculous odds against him, and the same happened later with a larger Android 18 (the one with the blue sphere's good, the other one's bad and large 18 appears to have the best AI of the bunch).

It'd be nice if the characters could be matched up depending on their performance, so broken stuff such as Silversamurai (note: Silver Samurai's a fake) would battle other equally broken characters rather than weak-ass Touhous.

After losing everything and getting back out of the mines several times, I made my $34 starting bet and found myself with $600-something a match later (I didn't even know what I had bet on). Perhaps I'll get to $2000 before losing everything again...
 
JulianImp said:
That's exactly why I like "close" fights, since people are less likely to put lots of money down the line for what amounts to a coin flip. Matches with unknown characters are fun because of that; I made a killing by betting on Doraemon and getting ridiculous odds against him, and the same happened later with a larger Android 18 (the one with the blue sphere's good, the other one's bad and large 18 appears to have the best AI of the bunch).

It'd be nice if the characters could be matched up depending on their performance, so broken stuff such as Silversamurai (note: Silver Samurai's a fake) would battle other equally broken characters rather than weak-ass Touhous.

After losing everything and getting back out of the mines several times, I made my $34 starting bet and found myself with $600-something a match later (I didn't even know what I had bet on). Perhaps I'll get to $2000 before losing everything again...
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I made it up to $5200 before losing it all, and now I don't even have any desire to play anymore. It would just take too long to get back up to that point, and most of the fights are either complete blowouts or boring five-round timerscams where virtually nothing happens (especially if a DBZ is involved). I'd definitely go back if Salty did something about the rich people screwing up the odds/payouts, though.
 
Julian: sure, but the problem with that is getting enough of those matches in the time that you're there + picking a bunch of them right in a row (since some of them will be total coinflips)

every time i've gotten out of the mines, it's been big bets on real matches that sent me back down. i keep thinking i can play matchups with them like a real fighting game, but when it's CPU fights it just doesn't seem to work that way...

another issue i forgot to mention is that if there is a genuine matchup issue where a character with a worse W/L record could very well win, people know about that now and won't put a lot of money on it. you're only going to get 2:1-3:1 odds from those matches anymore, it seems
 
Josh the Funkdoc said:
Julian: sure, but the problem with that is getting enough of those matches in the time that you're there + picking a bunch of them right in a row (since some of them will be total coinflips)

every time i've gotten out of the mines, it's been big bets on real matches that sent me back down. i keep thinking i can play matchups with them like a real fighting game, but when it's CPU fights it just doesn't seem to work that way...

another issue i forgot to mention is that if there is a genuine matchup issue where a character with a worse W/L record could very well win, people know about that now and won't put a lot of money on it. you're only going to get 2:1-3:1 odds from those matches anymore, it seems
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That's part of the reason why I no longer care as much about going back to the mines as I did before. Before I used to bet 1-10 at a time, but now I tend to bet 40-100, or even go all-in, because I realized I'm having more fun when lots of my fake money are on the line as opposed to "playing it safe". Then I get back to the mines with my $34 starting money and keep betting on the worse characters until I get an upset or a fair match, since betting on the better characters yields nearly nothing at such low bet ammounts.

I don't know about the character's W:L ratios or any of that fancy things. I mostly trust my own experience and have lots of fun whether my hunch ends up being right or not. To me, the betting isn't nearly as important as the hilarous SaltyChat and the crazy interactions between characters.

Even though I think it's nice to see some random broken character pop up every now and then to shake things up, close games are a lot more enjoyable, but we aren't getting too many of them, and when we do they often end up being matches where both characters have are abysmally bad, or are decent but use some atrocious AI that works poorly throughout the match.
 
I've been in the mines for a while now. It sucks because it seems like every match I've seen lately has been a blowout, and the odds would only give me a dollar. So I'm forced to bet on all the underdogs in hopes for an upset, and haven't been lucky enough to catch one.

:(

I guess that's the problem when everyone learns the characters. Everybody knows who to bet on now.

Edit: Oh shit! Mr. Burns must have been listening to me. Thank you Monty!
 
My favorite "upset" recently was Super Mario vs Super-8.

It would have been more of an upset if I didn't have 500k on Mario, but either way it got me 617k :P
 
Tkawsome said:
I guess that's the problem when everyone learns the characters. Everybody knows who to bet on now.
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this is a big issue that's just a product of today's internet...stats being so easy for even non-illuminati to find has taken away a lot of the huge upset value you could get earlier on in this

at first i thought this would have less bullshit luck to it than actual sports betting, given how much more predictable the matches are, but i've come to realize that isn't quite true. not knowing odds until betting's closed is the opposite of how sports betting does it, and the nature of this being an internet nerd thing means the betting pool is much better-informed on average; a lot of sports betting is driven by people who aren't much into stats or anything, giving you some games with absurd odds on them. the fact that it's harder to get good odds on matches in this forces you to bet on those tossups to make any real money, making it largely a matter of luck oftentimes.

tl;dr i love this concept as a way to learn basic ideas of gambling without having to spend real money, but it's lost a lot of its fun at least atm
 
They just need to introduce more unknowns (without a unifying theme) into the mix really to fix that Funkdoc. With more untested unknowns, the bets can see more real fluxuation and things can normalize out until bigger reforms are/can be made.
 
So Cherrywarrior was hinting earlier in the chat that there would be a roster update sometime this week. Also apparently some AI updates, KOF13 Takuma getting 'fixed' was the main one he mentioned.

Also shoutouts to Goku Nex
 
N4Us said:
So Cherrywarrior was hinting earlier in the chat that there would be a roster update sometime this week. Also apparently some AI updates, KOF13 Takuma getting 'fixed' was the main one he mentioned.

Also shoutouts to Goku Nex
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How do they fix the AI? Aren't the characters created by other users?

Or is there some sort of standard AI for the Mugen characters?
 
Donald was destroyed by a Touhou (Nazrin) 3 rounds to 0.
Odds were 1:1.


Good to know that Donald can't do much against decent Touhous.
 
Donald is really good, he's just not an insane Elder God like Ronald. Nazrin is really really fucking good. There was a glimmer of hope, but not much.

This is the second time in the past couple days that he's been destroyed by a SSS-tier character and a bunch of people got fooled.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Donald is really good, he's just not an insane Elder God like Ronald. Nazrin is really really fucking good. There was a glimmer of hope, but not much.

This is the second time in the past couple days that he's been destroyed by a SSS-tier character and a bunch of people got fooled.
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I have too much problem identifying the good and real Touhous from the rest. They are just too many and some with nasty clones, it's a real pain.

And Morgiana won a fight... incredible!
 
Tkawsome said:
How do they fix the AI? Aren't the characters created by other users?

Or is there some sort of standard AI for the Mugen characters?
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You can edit the AI of characters, even though it's pretty tricky. There's been AI patches of characters done by other authors.

Though I dunno how Cherry's gonna do the fixing unless it's the usual "Change damage/health parameters" which is easier to do.
 
The real Dio has his face at the bottom. He can actually use his Stand well and do all of his supers, which are AOE and thus demolished Queen.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
The real Dio has his face at the bottom. He can actually use his Stand well and do all of his supers, which are AOE and thus demolished Queen.
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Huh? AFAIK, his supers are the knife throw (not AOE, as each of the knives hits only once), the blood drain grab (single target), The World (takes forever to activate) and the road roller, which is the only one that can hit several opponents at once, AFAIK. He has some good specials, however (The World's rapid punches hit like a truck).

Or am I talking about a different Dio? So far I've seen the jacketless, spiky-haired one with zombie assist (great), jacketed one with less spiky hair (the worst of the bunch) and Shadow Dio (also great, but a bit less reliable).
 
WARNING

Some assholes are posting GTA V spoilers. Not sure if they're real, I've been lucky enough to stop reading before I saw what was actually posted.

The ones I saw were in red.
 
What happened to the Vaguard Princess characters?

Suddenly they all suck. It's like they took a hit on their damage and AI. (Specially the AI)


Oh wow, someone rich made a huge mistake, he went all in on a potato tier fighter moving the bets against a legit one. Naturally, he lost everything.
 
112:1 Upset baby. Beast making dreams true!

Looks like the stage destroyed poor Donovan or something. Even then, I don't understand why the odds were that crazy.
 
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