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...which was plagiarized from Saul Alinksy...Melania basically just plagiarized Michelle Obamas speech
...which was plagiarized from Saul Alinksy...Melania basically just plagiarized Michelle Obamas speech
I think Ron Perlman looks like an ape:None of this makes sense to me. Who cares what race she is, if she looks like a monkey why does it matter if she's black? She didn't say black people look like monkeys, she didn't say this lady looks like a monkey because she's black, she said that this lady looks like a monkey and said lady happens to be black. Why does that immediately strike a nerve? I don't get it...
Lots of people of all different races just have monkey faces, why is it taboo to only point this out if they're black?
Man, I wish I could muster up that kind of cognitive dissonance...
Exactly my point. He does look like an ape. So does George W Bush. So do alot of people of all different races. It's fucked up that pointing it out makes you automatically racist despite being the only one who's not looking at race...I think Ron Perlman looks like an ape: I'm allowed to point it out since he's white
So everyone and everything is fair game? Really? It's not ok for EITHER SIDE! It's disgusting. None of it is ok. It's petty and actually stops any real discussion of examination of facts and positions. It is completely counter productive and I hate it. Leaders, of all stripes and occupations, are supposed to be better, not worse.Implying that Sam Bee is the first and only comedian to ever make incest jokes about Trump and Ivanka.
Also, Ted Nugent called Hillary Clinton a cunt and gets invited to the White House regularly.
Conservatives can eat my entire ass regarding this non-issue.
So everyone and everything is fair game? Really? It's not ok for EITHER SIDE! It's disgusting. None of it is ok. It's petty and actually stops any real discussion of examination of facts and positions. It is completely counter productive and I hate it. Leaders, of all stripes and occupations, are supposed to be better, not worse.
No, fair point. I was speaking in broad terms. I assumed it was understood. Should have been more clear.I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who refers to either Ted Nugent or Samantha Bee as a "leader."
Exactly my point. He does look like an ape. So does George W Bush. So do alot of people of all different races. It's fucked up that pointing it out makes you automatically racist despite being the only one who's not looking at race...
Ah yes, it looks like you were chomping at the bit and bringing such insight such as... err.. uhm..Ah, I was wondering when this talking point would arrive on GAF.
Let other places be consumed by their own self-righteous rage, happily celebrating when others lose their jobs, their livelihoods, the ability to support their loved ones no matter who they are. Let others pass these kinds of destructive judgments that ultimately are not theirs to make. This, this is not want I wanted newGAF to be like and if we cannot overcome that despicable, hateful mentality that rejoices in the damages brought upon others, this place could just as well have stayed oldGAF, because it would ultimately be the same anyway.
It’s almost as if context doesn’t matter! Amazing ability you have there
Here’s the context of the outrage of Samantha bee saying cunt — trump says “grab them by the pussy” as if he is the stalwart of morality in the things you say and it’s samantha bee that should “get fired”
Did people forget the Bush or Chimp memes? I guess it's only OK to compare white people to animals.
She posted a sweet pic of a complete loving family, her with her child when a few days earlier immigrant families were being separated for the crime of seeking refuge, which I think is disgusting. So a very cunty thing to do imo.
John Oliver also talked extensively about Trump wanting to bang his daughter in many episodes.
She posted a sweet pic of a complete loving family, her with her child when a few days earlier immigrant families were being separated for the crime of seeking refuge, which I think is disgusting. So a very cunty thing to do imo.
John Oliver also talked extensively about Trump wanting to bang his daughter in many episodes.
Are we talking about those pictures that were proven to be from back in 2014?She posted a sweet pic of a complete loving family, her with her child when a few days earlier immigrant families were being separated for the crime of seeking refuge, which I think is disgusting. So a very cunty thing to do imo.
John Oliver also talked extensively about Trump wanting to bang his daughter in many episodes.
So your solution to the degradation of communication between Americans, and political hypocrisy, is to instruct a massive voting base to eat your ass?Implying that Sam Bee is the first and only comedian to ever make incest jokes about Trump and Ivanka.
Also, Ted Nugent called Hillary Clinton a cunt and gets invited to the White House regularly.
Conservatives can eat my entire ass regarding this non-issue.
So your solution to the degradation of communication between Americans, and political hypocrisy, is to instruct a massive voting base to eat your ass?
How about we just attack the hypocrisy wherever it is without resorting to infantile attacks, name calling, and "they do it too!"
Is that even possible anymore? Has the general discourse just bottomed out and That's it?
"Eat my ass".
Just an amazing insight into the current thought process.
This. NEEDS. To. Be. GAF’s. AnthemI swear, I'm so f*ckin' tired of this hypocritical hyper-partisan bullcrap. Both comments were stupid and way below an acceptable level of public discourse, but those insults have become par for the course in today's negative campaigning mentality of American political culture. Each election devolves into a billion dollar bipartisan mud slinging contest, with each side gasping in shock when the other side said something insensitive. Since the last presidential election, the American people seem to be locked into a state of permanent political warfare and all this bile is slowly robbing them of all common sense. All this because of a stupid tweet and an equally as stupid TV segment? That's enough to make you ready to destroy somebody?
The proportionality of justice
Yes free speech is a basic human right and yes nobody should be deresponsibilized from the consequences of his words or actions. But the proportionality of justice still applies, the basic principle that conveys the idea that the punishment of an offender should fit the crime. These past few days I've seen people gleefully throwing that principle out of the window, spitefully clamoring for the harshest of punishments while dehumanizing their target upon which they bring their partisan wrath down upon. Not because it is just or fair or right, but because it's happening to a person from the opposite political border. It's outright sickening!
The bipartisan hypocrisy
Time and time again, I've seen people switch sides and apply the same arguments that they've been vehemently denying before, only because this time it fits their narrative. Principles don't mean anything when they are only upheld when convenient but quickly broken when they apply to people you don't like. Hypocritical attitudes like that don't make you good people, it makes you opportunistic sycophants. Don't you ever dare coming to my doorsteps claiming moral superiority through your hollow virtue-signaling. You are the reason why we are in this ever escalating cultural conflict. Or need you remind you of Stephen Fry's wise words?
Do I like Trump? Hell no! But in-between the cracks of your black and white view of the world, dare I express the notion that literally comparing him to Hitler is an affront to the historical atrocities of WWII and the Third Reich. Do I like Hillary? F*ck no! She's just as corrupt as her corporate cronies, but neither do I believe that she's literally Moloch, just another run of the mill career politician radicalizing her voter base for political gains. All this hyperbole does nothing but bring incredible damage to people's perception of reality and their ability to co-exist. In-between these hardened frontlines, people from all walks of life lose their livelihood while being crushed by the overzealous political troopers on social media and other discussion boards. Each victim completely stripped of their humanity with people gleefully celebrating the fallen ones as a victory for their own side.
Rules for thee, but not for me
How many times have I seen liberals and their beloved celebrities hurl insults like "orange baboon", "the son of an orangutan" or a "syphilitic twitter monkey" but suddenly act all sanctimonious when some of that vile bile is hurled back at them? How many times have I seen republicans defend their right to free speech, but are quick to silence those who do nothing else but take a knee? Don't you even dare pointing fingers at the other side, this is the culture that you've helped create, turning a blind eye to the people and their families to whom it brings pain and suffering, all in the name of your righteous cause. And you think of yourselves as the good people? HA! Your sense of civility and humaneness only extends so far as your own tiny social bubble.
The identity game
All your identity games are nothing but a thin veneer to excuse the atrocities of your own side. "Oh, but she's a woman, so her insults aren't as bad" or "that person is oppressed, so it's okay to 'punch up'", you know the deal. Either you promote equality and hold everybody to the same standards, or you don't. There is no in-between, no exception, no special privileges when it comes to public discourse and the dialectic exchange of ideas. Your identity doesn't grant you liberties that are denied to others and all your virtuous posturing for equality means f*ck all, if you keep going down that path.
There is a reason Lady Justice is blind, because the rule of law applies to everybody in an equal manner. Your identity driven sense of justice is nothing but a wicked and distorted abomination of what true equality really means. And for what? Only because you believe that the social contract is a zero sum game, that different social groups must engage in merciless struggle against each other for limited social privileges, jobs, money and resources. For every person you don't like that you can drive out of business, somebody in your favor can grab its place.
The culture war
Let's not kid ourselves, both comments were absolutely inane and below the belt. But this isn't about discussing the quality of these comments, it's not even about what is fair and just. This is about creating pretext in order to ostracize the political and ideological opponent from public view and/or society. All those who came railing against Roseanne, but are now defending Samantha Bee and all those who came to defend Roseanne and are now asking Samantha Bee to be fired, you are nothing but hypocrites eaten up from the inside by your own self-righteous bile and wrath. You may think that you're on the "right side of history", but you are all that is wrong with this world. And of all the people out there, you are the most dangerous ones, because you think that your righteous cause excuses your atrocious and hypocritical behavior.
Let other places be consumed by their own self-righteous rage, happily celebrating when others lose their jobs, their livelihoods, the ability to support their loved ones no matter who they are. Let others pass these kinds of destructive judgments that ultimately are not theirs to make. This, this is not want I wanted newGAF to be like and if we cannot overcome that despicable, hateful mentality that rejoices in the damages brought upon others, this place could just as well have stayed oldGAF, because it would ultimately be the same anyway.
Discourse at its finest.It's not my job to provide a solution. It's not my job to coddle people who are manufacturing their own outrage for the sake of "getting back" at a group of people. People are ultimately responsible for their own behavior, and it's not my responsibility to chase after them and rationalize why they should stop being vindictive trolling assholes. Because there's no light at the end of that tunnel. When someone's being vindictive and trolling, they're not going to respond to reasoned rationale.
Maybe if we had any sort of moral leadership in this country at all, we could look to them to set a tone for the discourse in this country. But we elected President Pussygrabber, so yes. Eat my ass. Start with the fattest part.
Exactly my point. He does look like an ape. So does George W Bush. So do alot of people of all different races. It's fucked up that pointing it out makes you automatically racist despite being the only one who's not looking at race...
Dave Chappell’s is scandalous? How did I miss that...I do not think the following guys would last more than two minutes in U.S. TV (and even some of the latest batch of edgy/brave U.S. comedians like Dave Chapelle are being pushed to quit as too scandalous... this is the country that gave us George Carlin for God's sake... if not even comedians can speak freely... sigh...):
Frankie Boyle
Jimmy Carr
Micky Flanegan
[...]
Dave Chappell’s is scandalous? How did I miss that...
Chappell is hated because why?I'm visibly front row with a ladyfriend during his first Netflix special. Many people account suicided on GAF or generally admonished me because I clapped and laughed at my favorite comedian's jokes.
Chappell is hated because why?
He's not hated in a general sense. He's hated by the same outrage culture that can't tolerate comedians at all anymore. Some folks on here were outraged on behalf of trans people since some of Dave's jokes in that set involved trans people. Some folks on here were furious with Dave for suggesting that Donald Trump was going to win the election, lol.
It's not my job to provide a solution. It's not my job to coddle people who are manufacturing their own outrage for the sake of "getting back" at a group of people. People are ultimately responsible for their own behavior, and it's not my responsibility to chase after them and rationalize why they should stop being vindictive trolling assholes. Because there's no light at the end of that tunnel. When someone's being vindictive and trolling, they're not going to respond to reasoned rationale.
Maybe if we had any sort of moral leadership in this country at all, we could look to them to set a tone for the discourse in this country. But we elected President Pussygrabber, so yes. Eat my ass. Start with the fattest part.
I don't personally have a problem with the comment themselves. Ivanka Trump is a bit of a cunt and her father does have an incestuous fascination with her. That being said, Ivanka is not responsible for her father's incestuous obsession - so using that to insult her is unfair. I also have zero issue with the advertisers pulling away from her show over the comments, it's certainly their right to do so and it wouldn't change my perception of those companies one way or another.
Also, the comments about "could you imagine if..." are comical. I don't have to imagine. Malia was in the Fox news cycle every other week from some random inane reason that no one other than trailer park trash cared about.
I do not think the following guys would last more than two minutes in U.S. TV (and even some of the latest batch of edgy/brave U.S. comedians like Dave Chapelle are being pushed to quit as too scandalous... this is the country that gave us George Carlin for God's sake... if not even comedians can speak freely... sigh...):
Frankie Boyle
Jimmy Carr
Micky Flanegan
[...]
It’s almost as if context doesn’t matter! Amazing ability you have there
You guys are adding context that doesn't exist. I'm not bringing up a history or racism by pointing out that someone looks like a monkey, you are. I'm just pointing out someone that looks like a monkey, regardless of race...All humans are apes and yes chimps and humans can look similar. Is that the point here? Black people have been called sub-human and compared with less intelligent animals since Europe and the west have risen in power. If you lack the historical context or if you are intellectually dishonest, that is something else.
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Trump was the first to joke about banging his daughter op. I think its open season when it comes to that. And a woman calling a other woman a cunt. Nothing wrong with that either. I don't think your argument has legs because of these two points. Maybe we should focus on the context of the insults rather than the insults themselves.
I swear, I'm so f*ckin' tired of this hypocritical hyper-partisan bullcrap. Both comments were stupid and way below an acceptable level of public discourse, but those insults have become par for the course in today's negative campaigning mentality of American political culture. Each election devolves into a billion dollar bipartisan mud slinging contest, with each side gasping in shock when the other side said something insensitive. Since the last presidential election, the American people seem to be locked into a state of permanent political warfare and all this bile is slowly robbing them of all common sense. All this because of a stupid tweet and an equally as stupid TV segment? That's enough to make you ready to destroy somebody?
The proportionality of justice
Yes free speech is a basic human right and yes nobody should be deresponsibilized from the consequences of his words or actions. But the proportionality of justice still applies, the basic principle that conveys the idea that the punishment of an offender should fit the crime. These past few days I've seen people gleefully throwing that principle out of the window, spitefully clamoring for the harshest of punishments while dehumanizing their target upon which they bring their partisan wrath down upon. Not because it is just or fair or right, but because it's happening to a person from the opposite political border. It's outright sickening!
The bipartisan hypocrisy
Time and time again, I've seen people switch sides and apply the same arguments that they've been vehemently denying before, only because this time it fits their narrative. Principles don't mean anything when they are only upheld when convenient but quickly broken when they apply to people you don't like. Hypocritical attitudes like that don't make you good people, it makes you opportunistic sycophants. Don't you ever dare coming to my doorsteps claiming moral superiority through your hollow virtue-signaling. You are the reason why we are in this ever escalating cultural conflict. Or need you remind you of Stephen Fry's wise words?
Do I like Trump? Hell no! But in-between the cracks of your black and white view of the world, dare I express the notion that literally comparing him to Hitler is an affront to the historical atrocities of WWII and the Third Reich. Do I like Hillary? F*ck no! She's just as corrupt as her corporate cronies, but neither do I believe that she's literally Moloch, just another run of the mill career politician radicalizing her voter base for political gains. All this hyperbole does nothing but bring incredible damage to people's perception of reality and their ability to co-exist. In-between these hardened frontlines, people from all walks of life lose their livelihood while being crushed by the overzealous political troopers on social media and other discussion boards. Each victim completely stripped of their humanity with people gleefully celebrating the fallen ones as a victory for their own side.
Rules for thee, but not for me
How many times have I seen liberals and their beloved celebrities hurl insults like "orange baboon", "the son of an orangutan" or a "syphilitic twitter monkey" but suddenly act all sanctimonious when some of that vile bile is hurled back at them? How many times have I seen republicans defend their right to free speech, but are quick to silence those who do nothing else but take a knee? Don't you even dare pointing fingers at the other side, this is the culture that you've helped create, turning a blind eye to the people and their families to whom it brings pain and suffering, all in the name of your righteous cause. And you think of yourselves as the good people? HA! Your sense of civility and humaneness only extends so far as your own tiny social bubble.
The identity game
All your identity games are nothing but a thin veneer to excuse the atrocities of your own side. "Oh, but she's a woman, so her insults aren't as bad" or "that person is oppressed, so it's okay to 'punch up'", you know the deal. Either you promote equality and hold everybody to the same standards, or you don't. There is no in-between, no exception, no special privileges when it comes to public discourse and the dialectic exchange of ideas. Your identity doesn't grant you liberties that are denied to others and all your virtuous posturing for equality means f*ck all, if you keep going down that path.
There is a reason Lady Justice is blind, because the rule of law applies to everybody in an equal manner. Your identity driven sense of justice is nothing but a wicked and distorted abomination of what true equality really means. And for what? Only because you believe that the social contract is a zero sum game, that different social groups must engage in merciless struggle against each other for limited social privileges, jobs, money and resources. For every person you don't like that you can drive out of business, somebody in your favor can grab its place.
The culture war
Let's not kid ourselves, both comments were absolutely inane and below the belt. But this isn't about discussing the quality of these comments, it's not even about what is fair and just. This is about creating pretext in order to ostracize the political and ideological opponent from public view and/or society. All those who came railing against Roseanne, but are now defending Samantha Bee and all those who came to defend Roseanne and are now asking Samantha Bee to be fired, you are nothing but hypocrites eaten up from the inside by your own self-righteous bile and wrath. You may think that you're on the "right side of history", but you are all that is wrong with this world. And of all the people out there, you are the most dangerous ones, because you think that your righteous cause excuses your atrocious and hypocritical behavior.
Let other places be consumed by their own self-righteous rage, happily celebrating when others lose their jobs, their livelihoods, the ability to support their loved ones no matter who they are. Let others pass these kinds of destructive judgments that ultimately are not theirs to make. This, this is not want I wanted newGAF to be like and if we cannot overcome that despicable, hateful mentality that rejoices in the damages brought upon others, this place could just as well have stayed oldGAF, because it would ultimately be the same anyway.