Saudi Arabia to sue anyone who compares their justice system to ISIS

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
OP is missing a "sentence me to 100 lashes if old" sentence:

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Not to defend Saudi Arabia, but most of those things apply to almost every country or province that has strict Sharia law though. You could just as well compare Iran to IS.

Iran has the death penalty for apostasy, cuts off hands for stealing, lashes people for drinking alcohol etc.

Recently a province in Indonesia introduced the same kind of stuff. In Yemen and Mauritania men can be sentenced to death by stoning for homosexuality. Brunei recently introduced Sharia law, the final phase of which will include stoning imposed for adultery, sodomy and insulting Muhammad.

People don't realise the extent of these kind of punishments in the Muslim world. All these governments and supporters are not far off IS.
 
Barbacoatl said:
Translator's note: something means money.
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Haha. I mean, it's gone on for forever, just weird seeing people like Obama beaming and shaking hands with the Saudis while Hilary Clinton is denouncing them for human rights atrocities and they're being linked to ISIS funding. Nothing new, I guess.
 
Kenshin001 said:
Not to defend Saudi Arabia, but most of those things apply to almost every country or province that has strict Sharia law though. You could just as well compare Iran to IS.

Iran has the death penalty for apostasy, cuts off hands for stealing, lashes people for drinking alcohol etc.

Recently a province in Indonesia introduced the same kind of stuff. In Yemen and Mauritania men can be sentenced to death by stoning for homosexuality. Brunei recently introduced Sharia law, the final phase of which will include stoning imposed for adultery, sodomy and insulting Muhammad.

People don't realise the extent of these kind of punishments in the Muslim world. All these governments and supporters are not far off IS.
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If other countries threatened to sue as well, we'd be talking about them.

Hell, I'd be all for a good chunk of the region threatening that. Anything to bring attention to the shit human rights practices of Shariah countries.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
If other countries threatened to sue as well, we'd be talking about them.

Hell, I'd be all for a good chunk of the region threatening that. Anything to bring attention to the shit human rights practices of Shariah countries.
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Fair enough. That diagram always bothered me though because it ignores how other Islamic countries are like IS too. Even in so called moderate Malaysia a woman was investigated by the police and threatened with rape and murder this year for making a satirical video mocking Sharia.

Human rights groups have criticised the Malaysian police's use of the [Sedition] act to crack down on those critical of the government. Twenty-nine people have been arrested or investigated under the law so far in 2015, compared to 23 in the whole of 2014, according to Amnesty International.

Khalid himself has tweeted that police take comments critical of Islam seriously and "had no choice" but to act against them. Previously he warned Malaysians: "Be careful about speaking about something. Don't speak words that will invite @PDRMsia [the police] to take action. Dare to speak, dare to face the consequences."
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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32089787
 
Dynamite Shikoku said:
How do they amputate the hand? Surgery? Or just chop it off? And if they chop it, how doesn't the person bleed to death?
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I am wondering the same. And how strictly do they follow these laws? You nick a snickers bar at the local gas station, get caught and it's chop chop off with the hand? Congratulations, you have just crippled a person for life, now who is going to help him adjust living with one less limb, and overcome the massive psychological trauma of seeing your hand forcibly cut off right in front of you. I can't even comprehend such a moronic system.
 
Saw a video years ago of a kid in Saudi getting his hand cut off for stealing.... one of the worst things I have ever seen. They saw it off in half a second and cover the hand with a cloth/bag to stop the bleeding. The hand is thrown in the trash. They did this to a kid who looked about 6 years old.

Islamic law is horrific.
 
y2dvd said:
Can we get a list of punishments for the same crime in the US and see if the same shit could be said?
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I am not American or expert in law, but can try :

Blasphemy: Legal
Homosexuality: Legal
Treason: Can lead to 20 years to life in prison. I can't remember a case where death penalty has been used for treason. There is one serving life in a supermax prison for committing treason to the Soviet Union.
Murder: 20+ years, life in prison or death penalty in some states. Depends on the degree of the murder

Slander : Depending on the degree it's possible to sue, but I am not expecting more than fines.
Drinking alcohol: Fortunately we are past the prohibition era. It's legal.

Adultery (if married): Legal. In some cases adultery has been used in divorce disputes for money.
Adultery (if not married): Legal

Stealing: Prison, fine. Depends on the degree of stealing.
Banditry (theft): Prison, fine. Depends on the degree.
Banditry (murder and theft): Will lead to 20+ to life in prison. In some cases the death penalty.
 
Kenshin001 said:
Not to defend Saudi Arabia, but most of those things apply to almost every country or province that has strict Sharia law though. You could just as well compare Iran to IS.

Iran has the death penalty for apostasy, cuts off hands for stealing, lashes people for drinking alcohol etc.

Recently a province in Indonesia introduced the same kind of stuff. In Yemen and Mauritania men can be sentenced to death by stoning for homosexuality. Brunei recently introduced Sharia law, the final phase of which will include stoning imposed for adultery, sodomy and insulting Muhammad.

People don't realise the extent of these kind of punishments in the Muslim world. All these governments and supporters are not far off IS.
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Indeed, Sharia law is a core of many Muslims and thus whole countries.
For example, these are the 13 countries (and their total population that supports that) left in the world in which denouncing God (or Atheism basically), blasphemy, and/or leaving Islam can(and does) lead to capital punishment:

Afghanistan 31.8 million (>99% Muslims)
Iran 77.2 million (98% Muslims)
Malaysia 30.4 million (61% Muslims)
Maldives 0.4 million (100% Muslims)
Mauritania 3.4 million (almost 100% Muslims)
Nigeria 174.5 million (50% Muslims, concentrated in the North thus only there's the Sharia law etc.)
Pakistan 196.2 million (97% Muslims)
Qatar 2.2 million (83% Muslims)
Saudi Arabia 30.8 million (97% Muslims, rest are foreign workers)
Somalia 10.4 million (almost 100% Muslims)
Sudan 37.3 million (97% Muslims)
United Arab Emirates 9.3 million (77% Muslims)
Yemen 23.8 million (99% Muslims)


Ideally all other countries should politically and financially isolate them as that Sharia shit alone is worth heavy sanctions. But nope, we are fucking hypocrites who are afraid of a bunch of extremist even though they are not really that extreme if you look at that half a billion Muslim pool above. But hey, power&money. It's basically the same as if you were to buy cheap oil from the Daesh. Oh wait!
 
Lol, the largest state funder of ISIS and sunni extremists, who brutally stopped their own Arab Spring uprising, regularly behead their own citizens for crimes, doesn't want to be compared to ISIS and will become litigious to get their way...
 
ISIS' top boner is for killing apostates.

Saudi Arabia's top boner is for killing apostates.

I can see strong similarities between the two.
 
BarringGaffner said:
Saw a video years ago of a kid in Saudi getting his hand cut off for stealing.... one of the worst things I have ever seen. They saw it off in half a second and cover the hand with a cloth/bag to stop the bleeding. The hand is thrown in the trash. They did this to a kid who looked about 6 years old.

Islamic law is horrific.
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I accidentally saw something similar in a documentary about Iran when I was very little. They showed off the torture instruments they used to cut their hands and gouge the eyes out, there was some really graphic examples. I have forgotten most of it now, but that shit haunted me for a long time. I can't even fathom living in a country with such disgusting laws.
 
The only difference between the two of them seems to be that SA keep their barbaric shit to themselves instead of wantng to murder everyone on Earth that isn't like them. So there's that I guess... =/
 
Ollie Pooch said:
This just confuses me. Just... how did they get nominated and then put up for that position?

What is going on? It's like this country just gets a free pass on everything because of...something.
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That's not what happened. There is a round robin system, and the system gives a country voting privilege for a short time. They are not heads of the human rights council
 
Kinitari said:
That's not what happened. There is a round robin system, and the system gives a country voting privilege for a short time. They are not heads of the human rights council
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Thanks, that clarifies it a bit more. Still, kinda weird they can even BE on the council with their horrific record. Crazy world indeed.
 
Gorger said:
Treason: Can lead to 20 years to life in prison. I can't remember a case where death penalty has been used for treason. There is one serving life in a supermax prison for committing treason to the Soviet Union..
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What about the Rosenbergs? Or is there a legal difference between spying and treason?
 
Ollie Pooch said:
Thanks, that clarifies it a bit more. Still, kinda weird they can even BE on the council with their horrific record. Crazy world indeed.
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It is still more than just weird, it's upsetting, but it's not quite what a lot of people think it is - this article straightened it out for me

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bia-heading-the-u-n-human-rights-council.html

And yet, it was revealed Monday that over the summer Saudi Arabia was appointed to a panel at the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) that would interview and short-list experts, from among whom successful candidates would then be nominated to examine specific human rights challenges. These challenges may include the human rights record of a particular country or a specific theme, and those themes can include violence against women, the rights of migrants, religious freedom, or sexual orientation.

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But the global fury is directed at the wrong target. Agnes Callamard, director of Columbia University’s Global Freedom of Expression and Information initiative (disclosure: I am part of its team of experts), told The Daily Beast: “What has happened is that Saudi Arabia is now a member of the advisory committee that produces recommendations to the president of the Human Rights Council who makes final decisions regarding the appointing of mandate holders. The composition of the advisory group is five representatives from all regions. It is a rotation within regions, so nobody appoints anybody. The real problem is that Saudi Arabia was appointed to the Human Rights Council and its being a member of the advisory committee is just a logical consequence. And the UN is not responsible for the appointment in any way.”
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Saudi Arabia will sue any Twitter user who compares the Kingdom’s recent decision to execute a poet to punishments handed down by Isis.
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As such, I comparing the Kingdom’s recent decision to execute a poet to punishments handed down by Isis.

You're just salty that we don't really need your oil much anymore and are costing you billions a year. Saudi Ambassador PM me for my address, please. No, really. I could use a vacation this time of year.
 
SolidusDave said:
Indeed, Sharia law is a core of many Muslims and thus whole countries.
For example, these are the 13 countries (and their total population that supports that) left in the world in which denouncing God (or Atheism basically), blasphemy, and/or leaving Islam can(and does) lead to capital punishment:

Afghanistan 31.8 million (>99% Muslims)
Iran 77.2 million (98% Muslims)
Malaysia 30.4 million (61% Muslims)
Maldives 0.4 million (100% Muslims)
Mauritania 3.4 million (almost 100% Muslims)
Nigeria 174.5 million (50% Muslims, concentrated in the North thus only there's the Sharia law etc.)
Pakistan 196.2 million (97% Muslims)
Qatar 2.2 million (83% Muslims)
Saudi Arabia 30.8 million (97% Muslims, rest are foreign workers)
Somalia 10.4 million (almost 100% Muslims)
Sudan 37.3 million (97% Muslims)
United Arab Emirates 9.3 million (77% Muslims)
Yemen 23.8 million (99% Muslims)


Ideally all other countries should politically and financially isolate them as that Sharia shit alone is worth heavy sanctions. But nope, we are fucking hypocrites who are afraid of a bunch of extremist even though they are not really that extreme if you look at that half a billion Muslim pool above. But hey, power&money. It's basically the same as if you were to buy cheap oil from the Daesh. Oh wait!
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Clearly you don't know anything about politics...

Political interventions or actions against a foreign nation, driven purely on the basis of "no we don't like your laws or ideologies", is exactly the kind of bullshit meddling that caused the kind of instability and unrest that created ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Shabab, Hezzbola et al in the first place...

You can't just "punish" a nation because you don't like what they believe. Isolating them will only further increase tensions and create a political landscape where animosity and violence thrive, increasing the scope for escalation and war.

The best solutions to these kinds of issues is to "lead by example". Show the people of these nations that your own political ideologies work, that they will be better served under them and live happier lives, after all, national laws within a stable country, are only a product of the desires of the people (on aggregate) in which they wish to be governed.

If the Arab spring taught us anything, it's that you can demonstrate to others that peaceful democracy, fairness, freedom and liberty "Works", and that once they know that, they'll fight hard themselves to demand it of their traditionalist, outdated and autocratic rulers.
 
Saudi's also implement crucifixion and beheading, Sheikh Nimr a leading Shia opposition leader is sentenced to beheading and crucifixion, sentence might be carried out this month or the next.

Those are your allies America! LOL.
 
Kenshin001 said:
Not to defend Saudi Arabia, but most of those things apply to almost every country or province that has strict Sharia law though. You could just as well compare Iran to IS.

Iran has the death penalty for apostasy, cuts off hands for stealing, lashes people for drinking alcohol etc.

Recently a province in Indonesia introduced the same kind of stuff. In Yemen and Mauritania men can be sentenced to death by stoning for homosexuality. Brunei recently introduced Sharia law, the final phase of which will include stoning imposed for adultery, sodomy and insulting Muhammad.

People don't realise the extent of these kind of punishments in the Muslim world. All these governments and supporters are not far off IS.
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Don't worry, people dislike the other countries with strict Sharia law as much as AS.
 
Lol Saudi Arabia currently wants to crucify a 17 year old boy.
No really if you compare them there is not much difference... with the exception that Saudi Arabia is now leading the human rights council... lol i say it again, someone that has pretty much the same laws as daesh/isis is leading the un human rights council... no this is not a new south park episode.. this is real :X
Also isn't this the place that doesn't take refugees BUT the filthy rich, old, ugly, slave owning perverts can buy yazidi slaves from isis .. yeah right, not the same -_-°
 
Thanks, Saudi Arabia, for reminding us you're the number 1 terror sponsor in the world, the background instigator in a huge chunk of militant islamism and exporter of the most dangerous islamist sects.
 
Big Green Anus said:
In Islamic countries, do they really kill people for being gay? I just don't understand why if that's the case.
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From the Qur'an. Allah apparently hates gays just as much as Jahwe.

Qur'an 7:80-84 said:
We sent Lot and he said to his people, ‘How can you practise this outrage? No other people has done so before. You lust after men rather than women! You transgress all bounds!’ The only response his people gave was to say [to one another], ‘Drive them out of your town! These men want to keep themselves chaste!’ We saved him and his kinsfolk— apart from his wife who stayed behind—and We showered upon [the rest of] them a rain [of destruction]. See the fate of the evildoers.
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And from one of the major collections of Hadith. The "people of Lut" are the people of Lot mentioned above. In other words, gays.

Hadith: Jami` at-Tirmidhi &#8211 said:
That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Whomever you find doing the actions of the people of Lut then kill the one doing it, and the one it is done to."
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Big Green Anus said:
In Islamic countries, do they really kill people for being gay? I just don't understand why if that's the case.
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Also you have to take into consideration context for example in India homosexuality is legally on par with beastiality. But frankly no one cares about that law many of our celebs are openly gay no one drags them into jail etc . So it's also a question of law vs implementation . Most Indians just ignore that law (including police)
 
I like the exile for 1 years punishment. Those barbaric countries have laws straight from the antiquity or middle age.
 
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